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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 1:54 pm https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_85ssgR ... d1Znl1aTkz

Hope this doesn’t trigger Karen.
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... these people are asking for trouble, and will likely find it, or their children will.
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old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm Total up all our casualties since 9-11-01 & compare them to our losses in Vietnam.
Since 9-11, we've had 4 CinC's, 2 from each party, funded & supported by both parties in both Houses of Congress.
Holy cow are you bad at this. You compare them to what you insist would be our losses at home from terrorism had we not gone over there.

How's that math? Just from 2001, we have 7,000+ dead Americans. And the meter it still running.

You're so bad at military strategy, let alone diplomatic strategy..... to even stop and think for ten seconds about that math. You think it makes perfect sense for 7,000 Americans to die because (checks note) you think that if we aren't over there, Americans will die back home.

Smart. What's your next strategy...jump in the pool at your home and drown, so that you can't accidentally drown in the ocean? Top notch logic here.
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm Now you're whining that we don't have bases in Ukraine.
Nope. I'm mocking you for wanting military bases in every country except Ukraine. And the only reason you don't want a base there is that you want Putin to win the war.
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm I get that you hate our oil dependent American way of life & economy.
You suck at economics, comarade socialist. As usual, you want the .gov to intervene in a free energy market, and FORCE Americans to use ME oil by invading the Middle East.

See, how it's SUPPOSED to work is: ME countries mess with their exports to the US. Then consumers in the US look elsewhere for energy and transportation. That's it. Fake problem solved. But since you've never had an independent thought, and always look to Mommy when you need money or help (the Federal government) it would NEVER occur to you to simply let the free market

BTW, since as usual, you don't know what you're talking about, we're almost at 9% of our total oil imports from the middle east. It ain't 1973 anymore. We don't need that oil. Never have. But you think that thousands of dead Americans is smarter than finding other ways to move people and goods than using ME oil. You have ZERO imagination, and no ability to problem solve.
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm Unless you're willing to abandon Israel & our Arab allies to Iranian regional hegemony, stop your whining.
Nope. All i want is a treaty with Israel if we're gonna keep helping them. Something you and your buds would understand if you ever bothered to read the Constitution that you swore to defend.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:36 am I remember the old a Fan who was such a huge advocate of " you break it you buy it " You and Kamala have something in common. Your values haven't changed but your policies sure have. We broke Afghanistan my man. You no longer believe in your own philosophy that we needed to help to fix it. When did this epiphany on your part occur? FTR I was also in favor of pulling our people out. The methodology employed by Biden resembled the panic in Saigon circa 1975... :roll:
Nope. I'm telling you that if we weren't so stupid, and didn't listen to guys like OS, we would never have gone to the ME in the first place.

As for Pottery Barn.....Biden didn't break Afghan. Reagan did....and he's the one who bailed.

Biden had fewer dead than Trump. Scoreboard. How many US soldiers dies there in the last 3 years? Zippo. He outsmarted all our other Presidents, and I'm glad he did.
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a fan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:29 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:36 am I remember the old a Fan who was such a huge advocate of " you break it you buy it " You and Kamala have something in common. Your values haven't changed but your policies sure have. We broke Afghanistan my man. You no longer believe in your own philosophy that we needed to help to fix it. When did this epiphany on your part occur? FTR I was also in favor of pulling our people out. The methodology employed by Biden resembled the panic in Saigon circa 1975... :roll:
Nope. I'm telling you that if we weren't so stupid, and didn't listen to guys like OS, we would never have gone to the ME in the first place.

As for Pottery Barn.....Biden didn't break Afghan. Reagan did....and he's the one who bailed.

Biden had fewer dead than Trump. Scoreboard. How many US soldiers dies there in the last 3 years? Zippo. He outsmarted all our other Presidents, and I'm glad he did.
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old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm I get that you hate our oil dependent American way of life & economy.
So move to your EUroparadise, ride the trains, heat with coal, & complain about the US.
I'm tired of you and your FoxNation boomer buddies telling us America can't lead, innovate, or solve problems anymore.

You all have given up on America, and I can't wait for folks who think like you to get the F out of the way, and let Americans who know how to get stuff done will do their thing. How the heck you guys got ANYTHING done with you "it's too hard" attitude is beyond me.

Oh no! Not working and thinking! We can't do that! We should just curl up in a ball and quit!

Meanwhile, Germany launches an electric train made by (drumroll) not America....

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-launch ... 35136.html
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Kismet wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:20 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:36 am
a fan wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:15 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 5:22 pm You have no clue what the consequences would have been (& will be) if our small residual force were not there.
And not only do you want to ignore how many soldiers have died or been wounded in the Gulf War, the Iraq War, the Afghan War, and all the countless ME wars that don't have a name that we've been fighting for decades, and pretend they didn't happen. And then there's all the PTSD suicides that "don't count" in your book.

Alllllll because military guys like you thought it was better to have dead Americans, instead of either paying a few more nickels at the gas pump because you were convinced we HAD to mess around in the ME. Or because you think that tens of thousand of American casualties will stop terrorism, same as BibI thinks.

Every death and casualty in the ME, that started way back in 1953 is because of you and your way of thinking.

So don't come on here and tell me "you have no idea"....when I have told you REPEATEDLY to get us the F out. YOU WANT TO STAY, because you think you're smart, and have no interest in evaluating these choices, and FINALLY changing course. You want full steam ahead, and don't ever want to look at the outcome.

So for example, the REASON you think we need to stay in Afghanistan didn't fall from the sky. It's because all those years ago, guys like you thought it was swell to arm and train and bankroll religious nuts in Afghanistan. And shocker of all shockers, we're still dealing with this idiotic choice 50 years later. Awesome. And you think training and arming MORE religious nutjobs will fix it. Real smart.

You'll NEVER learn. You'll NEVER stop doing this. We'd have military bases in every country if we let you. Well, except Ukraine, naturally, because you want Putin to "win".
I remember the old a Fan who was such a huge advocate of " you break it you buy it " You and Kamala have something in common. Your values haven't changed but your policies sure have. We broke Afghanistan my man. You no longer believe in your own philosophy that we needed to help to fix it. When did this epiphany on your part occur? FTR I was also in favor of pulling our people out. The methodology employed by Biden resembled the panic in Saigon circa 1975... :roll:
In my conversations with afan over the past days, it became clear to me that he cares so much, and realizes very little that we do abroad ever really seems to work out, and our reason for being there ultimately is/was futile. I think the 20 year GWOT has proven we need a GD break from war(s) and bullets....it has cost us far too much in money, lives, and collateral damage.

Then the flip side, If we no longer provide a (military) presence strategically and globally, as hot spots ramp up and down, we are at a significant disadvantage and risk no longer being the strength support system that sturdies up those in need...Ukraine, AFRICOM, Taiwan, etc.

Add in that same breath, we have had 30+ years to fix a border and we have to argue about it each and every day, it's asinine and shows complete incompetency by our govt. We can't seem to do much right, other than spend money to not fix anything.

When you try and square those two points about our military, you are left something similar like the Trolley Hypothetical:

"Suppose you are the driver of a trolley. The trolley rounds a bend, and there come into view ahead five track workmen, who have been repairing the track. The track goes through a bit of a valley at that point, and the sides are steep, so you must stop the trolley if you are to avoid running the five men down. You step on the brakes, but alas they don't work. Now you suddenly see a spur of track leading off to the right. You can turn the trolley onto it, and thus save the five men on the straight track ahead. Unfortunately,...there is one track workman on that spur of track. He can no more get off the track in time than the five can, so you will kill him if you turn the trolley onto him"

It is a moral and ethical quandary:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
Excellent citation and POV YA - thx for sharing it. Something to think about for sure :)
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Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.

Read about the egregiously partisan BS being foisted on Ohio voters by it's OWN SUPREME COURT!

The Ohio Supreme Court Just Greenlit an Egregious “Fraud Upon the Voters”
In November, Ohio residents will have an opportunity to vote on Issue 1, a constitutional amendment that would finally abolish the state’s extreme partisan gerrymandering. Voters will not, however, be informed of this fact on the ballot. Instead, the Ohio Supreme Court’s Republican majority ruled Monday that the amendment will be described in egregiously misleading terms on the ballot itself, with ultra-biased language designed to turn citizens against it. Incredibly, a proposal that would end gerrymandering will be framed as a proposal to require gerrymandering, a patently false representation of its intent and effect. The court’s 4–3 decision marks yet another effort to subvert democracy in Ohio by Republicans who fear that the citizenry—when given a voice on the matter—might dare to loosen their stranglehold on power.
Ohio really ISN'T the red state many think it is these days...

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dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.

Read about the egregiously partisan BS being foisted on Ohio voters by it's OWN SUPREME COURT!

The Ohio Supreme Court Just Greenlit an Egregious “Fraud Upon the Voters”
In November, Ohio residents will have an opportunity to vote on Issue 1, a constitutional amendment that would finally abolish the state’s extreme partisan gerrymandering. Voters will not, however, be informed of this fact on the ballot. Instead, the Ohio Supreme Court’s Republican majority ruled Monday that the amendment will be described in egregiously misleading terms on the ballot itself, with ultra-biased language designed to turn citizens against it. Incredibly, a proposal that would end gerrymandering will be framed as a proposal to require gerrymandering, a patently false representation of its intent and effect. The court’s 4–3 decision marks yet another effort to subvert democracy in Ohio by Republicans who fear that the citizenry—when given a voice on the matter—might dare to loosen their stranglehold on power.
Ohio really ISN'T the red state many think it is these days...

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dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
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tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
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tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
It is unclear to what extent the then-Biden campaign read or made use of the information the Iranians sent.

The three agencies said the emails were unsolicited and campaign staff did not reply to them.

Morgan Finkelstein, spokesperson for the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris, which replaced the Biden campaign, said in a statement Wednesday that “we have cooperated with the appropriate law enforcement authorities since we were made aware” of the information being sent to Biden campaign personnel.

When was the meeting in Biden Tower?…..

Another example of living in the world of false equivalency….Deplorable.
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tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
Of course, you must realize at this point that GOP Senate blocked a bill in 2019 that would have required campaigns to report foreign election assistance to the FBI. Maybe talk to them rather than blaming your usual suspects?

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ ... ction/amp/

That all said, the Biden/Harris campaign reported the information to the FBI at the time and is cooperating with their investigation.
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Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:11 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
Of course, you must realize at this point that GOP Senate blocked a bill in 2019 that would have required campaigns to report foreign election assistance to the FBI. Maybe talk to them rather than blaming your usual suspects?

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/ ... ction/amp/

That all said, the Biden/Harris campaign reported the information to the FBI at the time.
You mean when the FBI showed up they weren’t tricked into lying.
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Wisconsin Teamsters endorse Harris/Walz while the national union dithers, describing the current administration as "the most pro-union administration ever." Teamsters in Wisconsin number around 15,000.

Locals in Michigan, Western PA (35,000 members), and Nevada are doing the same thing.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:01 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
It is unclear to what extent the then-Biden campaign read or made use of the information the Iranians sent.

The three agencies said the emails were unsolicited and campaign staff did not reply to them.

Morgan Finkelstein, spokesperson for the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris, which replaced the Biden campaign, said in a statement Wednesday that “we have cooperated with the appropriate law enforcement authorities since we were made aware” of the information being sent to Biden campaign personnel.

When was the meeting in Biden Tower?…..

Another example of living in the world of false equivalency….Deplorable.
Techs a “moderate”, who not only defended the Trump tower meeting with a Russian spy—-he thought the FBI was insane and corrupt to keep an eye on the Trump idiots who hired a guy who worked for Putin to install a Putin puppet in Ukraine.

Neat-o. Any day now, this crew will find their Deep State.
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a fan wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:03 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:01 am
tech37 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:45 am
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:18 am Think that the ballot box is our ONLY way to effect actual change in our country?

Think again.
Wow... dissss is right for the first time ever! :lol:

Imagine this:
https://x.com/ByronYork/status/1836720415411933538
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/1 ... n-00179951

We can file this under "the end justifies the means" along with all other D methods.
It is unclear to what extent the then-Biden campaign read or made use of the information the Iranians sent.

The three agencies said the emails were unsolicited and campaign staff did not reply to them.

Morgan Finkelstein, spokesperson for the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris, which replaced the Biden campaign, said in a statement Wednesday that “we have cooperated with the appropriate law enforcement authorities since we were made aware” of the information being sent to Biden campaign personnel.

When was the meeting in Biden Tower?…..

Another example of living in the world of false equivalency….Deplorable.
Techs a “moderate”, who not only defended the Trump tower meeting with a Russian spy—-he thought the FBI was insane and corrupt to keep an eye on the Trump idiots who hired a guy who worked for Putin to install a Putin puppet in Ukraine.

Neat-o. Any day now, this crew will find their Deep State.
You see Tech suggests Dems worked with Iran to steal the information. I saw Kamala say Iran if you’re listening we could use the help…
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tech, welcome back. ;)
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:54 am tech, welcome back. ;)
+100
Good to see you back, tech.
Missed us, didn't ya? ;) :lol:
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a fan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:11 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:13 pm I get that you hate our oil dependent American way of life & economy.
So move to your EUroparadise, ride the trains, heat with coal, & complain about the US.
I'm tired of you and your FoxNation boomer buddies telling us America can't lead, innovate, or solve problems anymore.

You all have given up on America, and I can't wait for folks who think like you to get the F out of the way, and let Americans who know how to get stuff done will do their thing. How the heck you guys got ANYTHING done with you "it's too hard" attitude is beyond me.

Oh no! Not working and thinking! We can't do that! We should just curl up in a ball and quit!

Meanwhile, Germany launches an electric train made by (drumroll) not America....

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-launch ... 35136.html
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