~47~President Kamala D. Harris~47~

[NattyBohChamps04]

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place. All congress wants to do is find a place throw cash, when enforcing current laws would suffice rather well.

Thanks for immediately proving my point.

Trump did virtually nothing to reduce illegal immigration or solve the problem of immigrants that were already here. But you already knew that.

With the social media accounts you post, I'm not surprised at all you think she's "polarizing." They don't even spin anymore, they just flat out lie. Like commentary on the recent CNN interview. And consumers don't actually go straight to the source anymore, they just listen to talk radio or read the comments or listen to the commentary after the out of context 5 second clips.

You're being shoveled a daily diet of excrement. You can choose to consume healthier if you want. Unfortunately many don't, they just want their views reinforced.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place. All congress wants to do is find a place throw cash, when enforcing current laws would suffice rather well.

Thanks for immediately proving my point.

Trump did virtually nothing to reduce illegal immigration or solve the problem of immigrants that were already here. But you already knew that.

With the social media accounts you post, I'm not surprised at all you think she's "polarizing." They don't even spin anymore, they just flat out lie. Like commentary on the recent CNN interview. And consumers don't actually go straight to the source anymore, they just listen to talk radio or read the comments or listen to the commentary after the out of context 5 second clips.

You're being shoveled a daily diet of excrement. You can choose to consume healthier if you want. Unfortunately many don't, they just want their views reinforced.

He loves him some tripe.

[a fan]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

[youthathletics]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

[a fan]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

Here ya go, my man, from Kamala back in February. You're throwing stones at a person who worked on a bill that includes fixing some of your direct complaints.

And instead of giving her credit for doing what you are asking of her, and getting mad at Trump for scuttling a good first step bill.....instead you're on here telling us she's "flip flopping" because you keep getting your "information' from idiots on Twitter who don't give two sh(ts about reality or REALLY addressing our sh(tbackwards immigration and visa system, and are getting paid every time you click on a "dems are bad" post. Don't choke on the crow bones.....

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Bipartisan Senate National Security Agreement



Our immigration system has been broken for decades. That is why President Biden and I have spent the last three years putting forward solutions to fix it and address the root causes of migration.

On the first day of our Administration, we sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to Congress that included an increase in funding for border security and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants, such as Dreamers who have been here for years.

We have partnered with countries in the Western Hemisphere to address global pressures that are forcing people from their homes, and worked with the private sector to promote investment in Central America. Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants.

At each step, we have been clear: Congress must act. Unfortunately, we have too often been met with those who sought to play political games instead of participating in solutions.

For the past two months, President Biden, members of our Administration, and bipartisan Senate negotiators have worked together. Thanks to their collaboration, additional solutions are now at hand. Congress must quickly pass this agreement.

This package will also ensure that the United States can continue to fulfill its role of global leadership by supporting the people of Ukraine in their brave fight against unprovoked Russian aggression; providing Israel what it needs to defend itself against Hamas terrorists; ensuring life-saving humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people; and strengthening our allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific.

This agreement on border security and immigration does not include everything we have fought for over the past three years — and we will continue to fight for these priorities – but it shows: we can make the border more secure while preserving legal immigration, consistent with our values as a nation.

Let us remember: we are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have always helped strengthen our country, grow our economy, and drive innovation. We know that in America, diversity is our strength. So rather than politicize this issue, let us all address it with the urgency and seriousness it requires.




https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... agreement/

[youthathletics]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

Here ya go, my man, from Kamala back in February. You're throwing stones at a person who worked on a bill that includes fixing some of your direct complaints.

And instead of giving her credit for doing what you are asking of her, and getting mad at Trump for scuttling a good first step bill.....instead you're on here telling us she's "flip flopping" because you keep getting your "information' from idiots on Twitter who don't give two sh(ts about reality or REALLY addressing our sh(tbackwards immigration and visa system, and are getting paid every time you click on a "dems are bad" post. Don't choke on the crow bones.....

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Bipartisan Senate National Security Agreement



Our immigration system has been broken for decades. That is why President Biden and I have spent the last three years putting forward solutions to fix it and address the root causes of migration.

On the first day of our Administration, we sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to Congress that included an increase in funding for border security and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants, such as Dreamers who have been here for years.

We have partnered with countries in the Western Hemisphere to address global pressures that are forcing people from their homes, and worked with the private sector to promote investment in Central America. Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants.

At each step, we have been clear: Congress must act. Unfortunately, we have too often been met with those who sought to play political games instead of participating in solutions.

For the past two months, President Biden, members of our Administration, and bipartisan Senate negotiators have worked together. Thanks to their collaboration, additional solutions are now at hand. Congress must quickly pass this agreement.

This package will also ensure that the United States can continue to fulfill its role of global leadership by supporting the people of Ukraine in their brave fight against unprovoked Russian aggression; providing Israel what it needs to defend itself against Hamas terrorists; ensuring life-saving humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people; and strengthening our allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific.

This agreement on border security and immigration does not include everything we have fought for over the past three years — and we will continue to fight for these priorities – but it shows: we can make the border more secure while preserving legal immigration, consistent with our values as a nation.

Let us remember: we are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have always helped strengthen our country, grow our economy, and drive innovation. We know that in America, diversity is our strength. So rather than politicize this issue, let us all address it with the urgency and seriousness it requires.




https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... agreement/

There was no need for the damned bill in the first place, if they had just left what was in place from the last administration and tweaked some line item issues and further enforced the curretn laws on the books, we would not have needed yet another omnibus spending frenzy...of all people, I'd had assumed you'd be thrilled to not throw mud on the wall.

[a fan]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

Here ya go, my man, from Kamala back in February. You're throwing stones at a person who worked on a bill that includes fixing some of your direct complaints.

And instead of giving her credit for doing what you are asking of her, and getting mad at Trump for scuttling a good first step bill.....instead you're on here telling us she's "flip flopping" because you keep getting your "information' from idiots on Twitter who don't give two sh(ts about reality or REALLY addressing our sh(tbackwards immigration and visa system, and are getting paid every time you click on a "dems are bad" post. Don't choke on the crow bones.....

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Bipartisan Senate National Security Agreement



Our immigration system has been broken for decades. That is why President Biden and I have spent the last three years putting forward solutions to fix it and address the root causes of migration.

On the first day of our Administration, we sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to Congress that included an increase in funding for border security and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants, such as Dreamers who have been here for years.

We have partnered with countries in the Western Hemisphere to address global pressures that are forcing people from their homes, and worked with the private sector to promote investment in Central America. Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants.

At each step, we have been clear: Congress must act. Unfortunately, we have too often been met with those who sought to play political games instead of participating in solutions.

For the past two months, President Biden, members of our Administration, and bipartisan Senate negotiators have worked together. Thanks to their collaboration, additional solutions are now at hand. Congress must quickly pass this agreement.

This package will also ensure that the United States can continue to fulfill its role of global leadership by supporting the people of Ukraine in their brave fight against unprovoked Russian aggression; providing Israel what it needs to defend itself against Hamas terrorists; ensuring life-saving humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people; and strengthening our allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific.

This agreement on border security and immigration does not include everything we have fought for over the past three years — and we will continue to fight for these priorities – but it shows: we can make the border more secure while preserving legal immigration, consistent with our values as a nation.

Let us remember: we are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have always helped strengthen our country, grow our economy, and drive innovation. We know that in America, diversity is our strength. So rather than politicize this issue, let us all address it with the urgency and seriousness it requires.




https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... agreement/

There was no need for the damned bill in the first place, if they had just left what was in place from the last administration and tweaked some line item issues and further enforced the curretn laws on the books, we would not have needed yet another omnibus spending frenzy...of all people, I'd had assumed you'd be thrilled to not throw mud on the wall.

You just told me that you didn't bother reading the bill, YA.

How many times have I told you: you guys let Trump get you alllllll worked up over the southern border, when that's not the real problem.

The REAL problem is that our Visa system is broken, or processing system is broken, our seasonal system is broken, and we have 10-11 million people here illegally. The bill addressed SOME of these things.

You guys (guys meaning those who can't see this, and ONLY care about one stupid border)......have been telling us about this 'sealing the southern border stuff' for going on 50 years now, and use it as an excuse to not fix the real problems I listed above.

Kamala tried to do something, and did it with R's and D's. You're on here telling us she didn't. You're wrong.

[MDlaxfan76]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

Here ya go, my man, from Kamala back in February. You're throwing stones at a person who worked on a bill that includes fixing some of your direct complaints.

And instead of giving her credit for doing what you are asking of her, and getting mad at Trump for scuttling a good first step bill.....instead you're on here telling us she's "flip flopping" because you keep getting your "information' from idiots on Twitter who don't give two sh(ts about reality or REALLY addressing our sh(tbackwards immigration and visa system, and are getting paid every time you click on a "dems are bad" post. Don't choke on the crow bones.....

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Bipartisan Senate National Security Agreement



Our immigration system has been broken for decades. That is why President Biden and I have spent the last three years putting forward solutions to fix it and address the root causes of migration.

On the first day of our Administration, we sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to Congress that included an increase in funding for border security and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants, such as Dreamers who have been here for years.

We have partnered with countries in the Western Hemisphere to address global pressures that are forcing people from their homes, and worked with the private sector to promote investment in Central America. Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants.

At each step, we have been clear: Congress must act. Unfortunately, we have too often been met with those who sought to play political games instead of participating in solutions.

For the past two months, President Biden, members of our Administration, and bipartisan Senate negotiators have worked together. Thanks to their collaboration, additional solutions are now at hand. Congress must quickly pass this agreement.

This package will also ensure that the United States can continue to fulfill its role of global leadership by supporting the people of Ukraine in their brave fight against unprovoked Russian aggression; providing Israel what it needs to defend itself against Hamas terrorists; ensuring life-saving humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people; and strengthening our allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific.

This agreement on border security and immigration does not include everything we have fought for over the past three years — and we will continue to fight for these priorities – but it shows: we can make the border more secure while preserving legal immigration, consistent with our values as a nation.

Let us remember: we are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have always helped strengthen our country, grow our economy, and drive innovation. We know that in America, diversity is our strength. So rather than politicize this issue, let us all address it with the urgency and seriousness it requires.




https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... agreement/

There was no need for the damned bill in the first place, if they had just left what was in place from the last administration and tweaked some line item issues and further enforced the curretn laws on the books, we would not have needed yet another omnibus spending frenzy...of all people, I'd had assumed you'd be thrilled to not throw mud on the wall.

The response to you is fully correct.
You are proving the point.

Bipartisan efforts should be rewarded by both sides, not vilified.

[youthathletics]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

[a fan]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

Just stop. It's plain as day you didn't read the doggone thing, yet are here complaining about what twitter is telling you.

Read the bill. Or heck, just a summary. THEN complain.

[PizzaSnake]

Kamala trying a new strategy.....do whatever Trump did, interesting strategy. ....this should maybe everyone here cringe that chastised Trump for the Wall. Is Kamala, now, also, Un-American?

~ Now Wants the border wall.
Now - https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala ... order-wall
Then - https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1828430747578794104
Then - https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1828453900221063538

Big Pharma - https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1828170290632761623

I followed your discussion subsequent to this post.

So, supporting a compromise bill that was negotiated with one of the Senate's most conservative Senators is a "flip-flop"???

It's a compromise. That doesn't mean you approve of all elements in isolation, it means that you're willing to compromise to achieve a more important objective.

Did Harris ever say she wanted to build a lot of physical wall, that was the best use of government resources? No.
She's supporting a bill that includes numerous elements.

But she's willing to do what it takes to achieve what she really thinks will help better control border crossings, more rapid adjudication of asylum claims. And she wants more and better technology to reduce the scourge of fentanyl crossing.

Bipartisan compromise should be applauded, not called a flip flop.

And killing a bipartisan compromise because you want a campaign issue should be condemned.

He and they think it's an us vs. them thing. For a long time now, if there's a position taken by Dems? The R's generally take the opposite position, or ridicule those ideas. And if there's any criticism of R ideas, then they think D's are taking the exact opposite position.

Compromise is a 4-letter word among MAGA and a lot of neo-cons before that, especially since Obama took office. Of course a lot of this division, if not most of it, has been media driven over the past 4 decades.

So a Democrat compromising and adopting some common sense stances that a majority of R's (and potentially a majority of all voter) support is now a "flip flop" or "stealing" rather than governing and listening to your constituents.

Walk it back any way you two want....'compromise' is a crock of chit, to justify her stance. She dug her heels in back then to be polarizing vs trump, now she knows she needs to soften voters. Had they simply left everything in place when Trump left, there'd be damn near no reason for that stupid spending bill in the first place (snip)

So....your "plan" is to ignore that our visa and immigration systems have failed us miserably over the last 50 years, and that we have an estimated 10-11 million people working here illegally?

You realize you're simply parroting TrumpNonsense, right? That the stupid southern border is the "only" problem with our immigration and visa system?That Visa overstays are FAR more of a numerical problem than Southern arrivals? And Trump did NOTHING to fix it in four years...yet you want to throw stones at a bipartisan bill that CLEARLY addresses some of your border complaints?


Come on, man.

This is about Kamala, full stop.

We've beating the glue out of the dead horse on the border issue.

Here ya go, my man, from Kamala back in February. You're throwing stones at a person who worked on a bill that includes fixing some of your direct complaints.

And instead of giving her credit for doing what you are asking of her, and getting mad at Trump for scuttling a good first step bill.....instead you're on here telling us she's "flip flopping" because you keep getting your "information' from idiots on Twitter who don't give two sh(ts about reality or REALLY addressing our sh(tbackwards immigration and visa system, and are getting paid every time you click on a "dems are bad" post. Don't choke on the crow bones.....

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Bipartisan Senate National Security Agreement



Our immigration system has been broken for decades. That is why President Biden and I have spent the last three years putting forward solutions to fix it and address the root causes of migration.

On the first day of our Administration, we sent a comprehensive immigration reform bill to Congress that included an increase in funding for border security and a pathway to citizenship for immigrants, such as Dreamers who have been here for years.

We have partnered with countries in the Western Hemisphere to address global pressures that are forcing people from their homes, and worked with the private sector to promote investment in Central America. Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants.

At each step, we have been clear: Congress must act. Unfortunately, we have too often been met with those who sought to play political games instead of participating in solutions.

For the past two months, President Biden, members of our Administration, and bipartisan Senate negotiators have worked together. Thanks to their collaboration, additional solutions are now at hand. Congress must quickly pass this agreement.

This package will also ensure that the United States can continue to fulfill its role of global leadership by supporting the people of Ukraine in their brave fight against unprovoked Russian aggression; providing Israel what it needs to defend itself against Hamas terrorists; ensuring life-saving humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian people; and strengthening our allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific.

This agreement on border security and immigration does not include everything we have fought for over the past three years — and we will continue to fight for these priorities – but it shows: we can make the border more secure while preserving legal immigration, consistent with our values as a nation.

Let us remember: we are a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have always helped strengthen our country, grow our economy, and drive innovation. We know that in America, diversity is our strength. So rather than politicize this issue, let us all address it with the urgency and seriousness it requires.




https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... agreement/

Grist for the mill...

Let's skip the bromides, please. What the American Experiment has always required is a goodly supply of powerless, cheap labor. Always been the case, probably always will be.

[youthathletics]

Why would this happen beyond what Tulsi believes happened and what a TSA whistleblower states?

https://x.com/tulsigabbard/status/18313 ... a82I2GssRg

[NattyBohChamps04]

Why did I get SSSS on my boarding pass?

The good news is that if we elect Donald Trump, he won't go after anyone he doesn't like. And he hasn't tried it or done it before. I'm sure voting for RFK will be even better in that regard.

I will say it's funny that Gabbard thinks she's that important. Par for the course I guess.

[youthathletics]

Why did I get SSSS on my boarding pass?

The good news is that if we elect Donald Trump, he won't go after anyone he doesn't like. And he hasn't tried it or done it before. I'm sure voting for RFK will be even better in that regard.

I will say it's funny that Gabbard thinks she's that important. Par for the course I guess.

It clearly stays it’s random, she’s implying it was more than multiple times for her and husband.

[MDlaxfan76]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

Not remotely.
Our system is vastly underfunded and Mexico ain't riding to the rescue per Trump's promises.

If you cared even a tiny bit, you're read the bill and you'd agree with Lankford.

[old salt]

It was also Biden's initiative to greatly expand the parole entries from Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua & Haiti.

[Kismet]

It was also Biden's initiative to greatly expand the parole entries from Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua & Haiti.

A little cheese with the whine, maybe.


Regarding Venezuela -

https://www.armytimes.com/breaking-news ... agon-says/


"A U.S. Navy sailor has been detained in Venezuela after traveling there unauthorized on personal business, the Pentagon said Wednesday. The enlisted sailor was detained last week by Venezuelan law enforcement, two defense officials said.

One of the officials said the sailor has been in Venezuelan custody since on or about Aug. 30.

One of the officials said the service member was neither on official travel nor did they have authorized leave to visit Venezuela. The detention follows a similar disappearance earlier this year when a U.S. Army soldier was arrested after traveling to Russia to visit his girlfriend.'

[youthathletics]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

Not remotely.
Our system is vastly underfunded and Mexico ain't riding to the rescue per Trump's promises.

If you cared even a tiny bit, you're read the bill and you'd agree with Lankford.

I read it line by line when it came out. I still stand by belief, that had they simply kept what was set in motion through 2019, not cancel every EA by Trump they would have had far less to focus on...instead the proverbial damn was being built, it was beginning to do its intended job, and the chose to scuttle the entire operation flooding the system, creating more optical problems.

I get it, sometimes you do need to blow things up and 'start over' when it is not working, our border is NOT one of them, why they chose to blow everything up simply proves to me that they wanted to mark their territory like a dog on a mailbox, tell the world we know better, eff the last guy.....that is just ignorance, wasteful, lacking operational wisdom.

[Seacoaster(1)]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

Not remotely.
Our system is vastly underfunded and Mexico ain't riding to the rescue per Trump's promises.

If you cared even a tiny bit, you're read the bill and you'd agree with Lankford.

I read it line by line when it came out. I still stand by belief, that had they simply kept what was set in motion through 2019, not cancel every EA by Trump they would have had far less to focus on...instead the proverbial damn was being built, it was beginning to do its intended job, and the chose to scuttle the entire operation flooding the system, creating more optical problems.

I get it, sometimes you do need to blow things up and 'start over' when it is not working, our border is NOT one of them, why they chose to blow everything up simply proves to me that they wanted to mark their territory like a dog on a mailbox, tell the world we know better, eff the last guy.....that is just ignorance, wasteful, lacking operational wisdom.

Totally unfair take on the border deal. For better than a year, GOP House members clamored for border legislation, making it a bloviating priority for their Congressional majority. A bipartisan deal was hammered out, and included $20 billion for improvements to border security, significant changes to the asylum system, an increase in the number of detention beds available, established a trigger number for shutting down the border, green cards to Afghans admitted or paroled to the US after the pull-out, and substantial new funding for the Border Services. Like almost any legislation, it was imperfect -- under our Constitution and in our two party system, almost all legislation of this sort is effectively a settlement agreement, in which each side concedes in the name of consensus. Trump directed his tiny puppet, Mike Johnson, to countermand all of the GOP House's howling statements for more money, etc., because he needed to campaign on it and didn't want Biden to have anything resembling a success.

This is the whole story. No one was telling "the world we know better;" it was getting something done in a polarized environment of Congress, with the assistance and support of Republicans and Democrats. This is the very sort of thing we should encourage and applaud, even if imperfect, in a Congress wracked with gridlock and faced with important matters to legislate upon. The border deal showed that Congress can work, and that the system can work. "Lacking operational wisdom"? Laughable. I mean, literally ludicrous. Look harder at what you are saying. This bill was exactly what Congress is supposed to do. The needs of the GOP nominee for the presidency negated all of these efforts.

[youthathletics]

It could have been done in a line item or two, not yet another omnibus package. You know…fiscal discipline.

Not remotely.
Our system is vastly underfunded and Mexico ain't riding to the rescue per Trump's promises.

If you cared even a tiny bit, you're read the bill and you'd agree with Lankford.

I read it line by line when it came out. I still stand by belief, that had they simply kept what was set in motion through 2019, not cancel every EA by Trump they would have had far less to focus on...instead the proverbial damn was being built, it was beginning to do its intended job, and the chose to scuttle the entire operation flooding the system, creating more optical problems.

I get it, sometimes you do need to blow things up and 'start over' when it is not working, our border is NOT one of them, why they chose to blow everything up simply proves to me that they wanted to mark their territory like a dog on a mailbox, tell the world we know better, eff the last guy.....that is just ignorance, wasteful, lacking operational wisdom.

Totally unfair take on the border deal. For better than a year, GOP House members clamored for border legislation, making it a bloviating priority for their Congressional majority. A bipartisan deal was hammered out, and included $20 billion for improvements to border security, significant changes to the asylum system, an increase in the number of detention beds available, established a trigger number for shutting down the border, green cards to Afghans admitted or paroled to the US after the pull-out, and substantial new funding for the Border Services. Like almost any legislation, it was imperfect -- under our Constitution and in our two party system, almost all legislation of this sort is effectively a settlement agreement, in which each side concedes in the name of consensus. Trump directed his tiny puppet, Mike Johnson, to countermand all of the GOP House's howling statements for more money, etc., because he needed to campaign on it and didn't want Biden to have anything resembling a success.

This is the whole story. No one was telling "the world we know better;" it was getting something done in a polarized environment of Congress, with the assistance and support of Republicans and Democrats. This is the very sort of thing we should encourage and applaud, even if imperfect, in a Congress wracked with gridlock and faced with important matters to legislate upon. The border deal showed that Congress can work, and that the system can work. "Lacking operational wisdom"? Laughable. I mean, literally ludicrous. Look harder at what you are saying. This bill was exactly what Congress is supposed to do. The needs of the GOP nominee for the presidency negated all of these efforts.

You are (intentionally?) missing the premise of my argument, by accepting low standards of work. My entire argument, which is longstanding, is that the way in which we do business in NOT conducive to addressing line item issues. While yes, the bill settled on bi-partisan agreement, at the expense of spending far more than needed, it still wreaks of dysfunction.