Trump's Russian Collusion

[DMac]

I play catch with Alfie Jacques with sticks made from hickory trees, strung by hands that carry the spirit of the Creator.....so there.

[LandM]

I use to play with my son using a baseball glove and throwing. I never let him use his right. I know absolutely nothing about this game but to me it is the great equalizer sport. Great memories that turned out just fine.

[Typical Lax Dad]

TLD
Totally agree on the bfd. Everyone puts their pants, cleats, turf shoes on the same way.

I could have been a kid in a candy store. It was an unbelievable 1 hour conversation. When we got to the PTSD part I finally got up and walked out for some air.

I have all the info if you want me to walk it through with you.

I am good but thanks for the offer.

[MDlaxfan76]

MD:
I take my fiduciary responsibilities to heart. I do what is in the best interest of all shareholders. No the report I read was the BOD report not the Mueller report.

The 10 obstruction items are a normal business person/owner reaction, not a politician. Unfortunately for many of you a non politician won the election.

Yesterday I saw capitalism and socialism at its best. Had fun at a BOD meeting. Then went because my wife has been carping on me for the last 10 years as my neighbor gets free stuff from the VA to a counselor meeting I qualify for 70% VA diasability, a joke. Good news is I will take my sweet time. Unfortunately I have to listen to 10 more years of my liberal wife carping on me for not getting the free benefits

72 chug on me. Not sure whether I am a meatball or deplorable. Unfortunately your horse is going to buck you off.

That sure was a long BOD report! I do pity you needing to slog through something that long. Hope they got it to you well in advance! Pretty unusual, unless maybe for an Audit Committee. Red flag that they don't know how to distill the important from the chaff? Or worse, they're burying the BOD in paper? But great, you'd dug in to do your fiduciary duty. Unfortunately a lot of BOD members, whether corporate or charitable don't do so...

But not at all sure why you told us about it when we were talking about the Mueller Report.

I have no idea what you consider to be a 'politician'. You say your wife is, but is that because she works in gov't and you don't? Or is it just that she needs to be 'politic' within her organization? That could be said of lots of business people too.

But 'politician' in the context of this discussion would presumably be someone who is in the business of being elected.

But maybe you simply mean someone who seeks the public's approval or even adulation?

Often when someone calls someone a 'politician' they mean it with a bit of a sneer, not a compliment, under the assumption that a 'politician' will lie and betray his/her principles just to sway the public's support, or perhaps a donor's support (money being a way to gain public attention and support).

Mueller doesn't fit any of that.

So, let's talk Trump.
There's no doubt that he has for decades sought the public's approval, adulation. Yugely so.

And he certainly played big shot in political circles, whether NYC, NY, or US. Loved to buy political attention.

And made all sorts of forays over the years as a potential candidate himself. And then did so.

Does he lie to gain or keep support? Yup, bigly so.

Now, let's come to the 10 instances of 'obstruction'. I don't know what kind of business people you hang around, but most don't tell their people to lie for them. That's the sort of thing that mobbed up types might do, and folks who should go to jail for polluting, fraud of various types, etc, might do, but a "normal business person/owner" would not. Why? Because they know that if they act with a lack of integrity, or ask others to do so, they will lose their employees in a heart beat.

Who are you left with?
Just the most dishonest types, the ones who will steal from you, stab you in the back. Sycophants, hangers-on, but never truly 'loyal'.
Sound familiar?

[LandM]

MD,
I will try and keep up with you. I have a headache as I chose deplorable too many times

The reason I say my wife and Mueller are politicians is not because they are elected. They grinded, went through the beaucracy, took the tests and passed, did not rock the boat, said the right things, had a champion in their corner, looked and acted good, and were professional in manner and decorum. I am NOT one of those people. I like to rock boats, I like to think outside the box, i hate being told what to do (yep even in the military), I like to adapt and have fun hence the path I chose.

As to my BOD meeting - yep young guys first one so we are toning down on the dead trees

As to business circles. I have met great people and my fair share of interesting people. I do not need an NDA, Confidentialy Agreement, Inventions Agreement before I check under the hood. I will shake your hand, look you in the eyes, and make my own determination.

[Chips O'Toole]

As to business circles. I have met great people and my fair share of interesting people. I do not need an NDA, Confidentialy Agreement, Inventions Agreement before I check under the hood. I will shake your hand, look you in the eyes, and make my own determination.

Smart. When you're the one checking under the hood, you aren't the one who needs an NDA. So, good thinking. I can tell you've been around the block. A firm handshake is all you need if you're a true captain of industry.

[runrussellrun]

MD,
I will try and keep up with you. I have a headache as I chose deplorable too many times

The reason I say my wife and Mueller are politicians is not because they are elected. They grinded, went through the beaucracy, took the tests and passed, did not rock the boat, said the right things, had a champion in their corner, looked and acted good, and were professional in manner and decorum. I am NOT one of those people. I like to rock boats, I like to think outside the box, i hate being told what to do (yep even in the military), I like to adapt and have fun hence the path I chose.

As to my BOD meeting - yep young guys first one so we are toning down on the dead trees

As to business circles. I have met great people and my fair share of interesting people. I do not need an NDA, Confidentialy Agreement, Inventions Agreement before I check under the hood. I will shake your hand, look you in the eyes, and make my own determination.

I remember getting into a huge argument with my DI's on Parris Island when they tried to force me to attend Sunday services. By the time we were done with bootcamp, half of the platoon stayed in the barracks instead of wasting time listening to the good men preaching lies. Refused to get injected with "mystery" drugs.....was threatened with a "office hours" or court martial if I didn't take the needle. Navy Doc tried the disobey superiors order tactic too. He relinquished when he admitted he had NO idea what drug/s were in the needle, in private.

Rocking the boat is great fun.

[DMac]

rrr wrote
Refused to get injected with "mystery" drugs.....was threatened with a "office hours" or court martial if I didn't take the needle.

You too? All were supposed to get the swine flu shot (think it was that one, can't remember for sure), I didn't see guinea pig on my name tag so I thought, nope, aint happenin'. Ended up having to go front and center with the CO of the ship. All was well when we were done and I never went to get the shot.

[foreverlax]

AG Barr breaks with Trump, says he does not think Obama-era officials committed treason

[foreverlax]

Mark Levin: Republicans should 'force' Robert Mueller to testify

Trump's lawyer and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has also called on Mueller to testify following the conclusion of his investigation and to explain how and when he came to the determination that there was not adequate evidence to prove that President Trump and his administration colluded with Russian forces.

RubieG wants a cage match in the house with Meadows, JJ, Gaetz. Gowdy and Co tried to wear HRC down over her 10 hour interview...I'm betting on Mueller. You can rest assured, if he goes in either chamber, he will piss of everyone in some fashion. Sounds about right.

[MDlaxfan76]

MD,
I will try and keep up with you. I have a headache as I chose deplorable too many times

The reason I say my wife and Mueller are politicians is not because they are elected. They grinded, went through the beaucracy, took the tests and passed, did not rock the boat, said the right things, had a champion in their corner, looked and acted good, and were professional in manner and decorum. I am NOT one of those people. I like to rock boats, I like to think outside the box, i hate being told what to do (yep even in the military), I like to adapt and have fun hence the path I chose.

As to my BOD meeting - yep young guys first one so we are toning down on the dead trees

As to business circles. I have met great people and my fair share of interesting people. I do not need an NDA, Confidentialy Agreement, Inventions Agreement before I check under the hood. I will shake your hand, look you in the eyes, and make my own determination.

Ok, so they were successful within an organization, thus 'politician', while you don't like taking orders, don't like trying to please your boss, etc. Got it.

Hey, you and are a lot alike LandM.
Entrepreneurs, risk takers. Investors.

So, are the organizational success stories somehow 'dirty' because they are 'politicians' in your view? That seemed to be the implication.

But if all you're saying is that Mueller is a very careful guy, follows the rules of his organization and profession, and isn't going to do something unethical or otherwise embarrassing to his org, his boss, etc, ok, I'll buy that. That's why he chose to follow the OLC, though that has questionable merit, hued closely to the remit of what he was hired to do, stayed out of the public eye and let his indictments do the 'talking' rather than grandstanding for the cameras, and is not going to directly call out his boss as a liar. Yup, true.

But that's a very different meaning of 'politician' than most of us use...especially when we're actually talking about politicians asking for our vote.

[LandM]

MD,
The only boss I have had in the past 25 years, I sleep with her every night and yes she would tell you I am not a good employee but even though we are polar opposites and I have been fired hundreds of times she has found a way to make it work . I wish the knuckleheads supposedly running this country would do the same. At the rate they are going if Trump had a dog I am sure they would investigate it to see if it is really a cat. Waters, Schiff and Nadler running an investigation is laughable - can the American public see their tax returns or see what Schiff has on the guy........Waters would be taking on allot of water explaining a few things a bank being the obvious. The only adult in the room I see is Pelosi,I pray she lasts long enough.

What word am I suppose to use? Bureaucrat? Spent 6 years in the corporate world after doing my time, what word would you like me to use? Many folks do not like pandering to people, hence the situation we are in today. I am not busting on any person that went up the latter. It is not a snarky, demeaning or flippant term it is my small world way of saying what I think.

IMHO the Mueller investigation and report is a joke. It was started as a CYA based on real and dubious information but supposedly it makes certain people feel good about their feelings. If I had a nickel for every time I said something stupid I could have retired on my nickels. Going on a limb but I am guessing the majority of the population dislikes the PC stuff, call a spade a spade. Yep the Russians messed with us and I am guessing about 20 other foreign nationals did as well. DUH......if people in this country use Facebook as a news source........

BTW, I love people who take the risk, rock the boat, break some china and I do not begrudge anyone for the money they make doing it.

[MDlaxfan76]

I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.

Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.

But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.

[MDlaxfan76]

I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.

Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.

But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.

And to be further clear, Trump’s an enormous failure as an an entrepreneur or business man. Rather he’s a con man, a cheat. Daddy ‘s money, and tax fraud. When that ran out along with OPM, Russians, mob money etc. But a good ‘marketer’ yes, always appealing to the basest of desires, greed, jealousy, sexual excess.

[6ftstick]

I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.

Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.

But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.

And to be further clear, Trump’s an enormous failure as an an entrepreneur or business man. Rather he’s a con man, a cheat. Daddy ‘s money, and tax fraud. When that ran out along with OPM, Russians, mob money etc. But a good ‘marketer’ yes, always appealing to the basest of desires, greed, jealousy, sexual excess.

I'll take being a 4 BILLION DOLLAR failure.

You people are way gone.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.

Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.

But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.

And to be further clear, Trump’s an enormous failure as an an entrepreneur or business man. Rather he’s a con man, a cheat. Daddy ‘s money, and tax fraud. When that ran out along with OPM, Russians, mob money etc. But a good ‘marketer’ yes, always appealing to the basest of desires, greed, jealousy, sexual excess.

I'll take being a 4 BILLION DOLLAR failure.

You people are way gone.

It ain’t $4B. That’s what HE says.....His Daddy left him $400-$500MM and he turned it into $400-$500MM.

[LandM]

MD,
It is not my place to lecture or teach people on what are their ethics, morals, integrity, honesty and sexual preferences are. It is my place to make a decision as to whether I want to interact with them. Hence a non-vote.

TLD,
In the start-up world it is called "friends and family money". If he kept the capital account the same but paid $20MM in a dividend a year, I would take that bet bet all day long........I know people who do that and no it is not unethical nor illegal.....the smart people we elect make those rules.......

[Typical Lax Dad]

MD,
It is not my place to lecture or teach people on what are their ethics, morals, integrity, honesty and sexual preferences are. It is my place to make a decision as to whether I want to interact with them. Hence a non-vote.

TLD,
In the start-up world it is called "friends and family money". If he kept the capital account the same but paid $20MM in a dividend a year, I would take that bet bet all day long........I know people who do that and no it is not unethical nor illegal.....the smart people we elect make those rules.......

In the real world it’s called Daddy’s money.... and it ain’t $4B.

[6ftstick]

I’m with you on the last bit, as long as the china being broken is neither the law nor ethics. Plenty of entrepreneurial types achieve success without cutting legal and ethical corners.

Yes, bureaucrat would probably be a more appropriate word than politician to describe your point. Or maybe ‘institutionalist’.

But in Mueller ‘s case, you’d need to also call him a leader and a highly effective prosecutor. Lots of ‘bureaucrats ‘ just push paper, never achieve much. That’s not Mueller.

And to be further clear, Trump’s an enormous failure as an an entrepreneur or business man. Rather he’s a con man, a cheat. Daddy ‘s money, and tax fraud. When that ran out along with OPM, Russians, mob money etc. But a good ‘marketer’ yes, always appealing to the basest of desires, greed, jealousy, sexual excess.

I'll take being a 4 BILLION DOLLAR failure.

You people are way gone.

It ain’t $4B. That’s what HE says.....His Daddy left him $400-$500MM and he turned it into $400-$500MM.

You don't buy Miralago, Doral, Trump Tower, and dozens of courses and other properties around the world if you're a fn failure.

Or you'd do it.

[LandM]

TLD,
Come on now - we all know it is "friends and family" be real about it. Daddy is part of the friends and family chain. Come on now - do I drink to being a deplorable or a meathead?