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Re: 2024

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WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
You're able to vote for RFK or Jill Stein or Cornell West or write someone in if you think both sides are equally bad. Convince enough people and they will win.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
To his point the opposite is also true. The most malignant messages can be rationalized as actually benign or innocent. You can see this w Trump who has a lifelong bias agsinst black people snd yet there are news sources and pundits who will try to explsin it away. Not to mention the large number of dupes trying to whitewash their own bisses.
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:48 pm More confusion, rather than understanding?

He meant the jobs of Black people. And we’ve been using that term for a while," said Diante Johnson, president of the Black Conservative Federation. "It’s any job. Instead of Black people having unlimited accessibility to all types of jobs, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs from them."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/what-i ... debate.amp
It's weird that people have to continually explain/spin what Trump actually meant when he speaks vs. what he said.
Well, folks have been trying to figure out what Biden has trying to say for almost 4 years. Fortunately our forum members have been here to interpret Biden speak for all of us. :D
What's weird are close minded people who insist on only accepting the latest ever-changing woke terminology,
then impugning the motives of people who do not use the latest woke term. What was previously the preferred terminology is now insensitive (or worse). It's a gimmick to perpetuate perpetual victim status.
What do think Trump meant by black jobs?
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:13 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
You're able to vote for RFK or Jill Stein or Cornell West or write someone in if you think both sides are equally bad. Convince enough people and they will win.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:38 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:48 pm More confusion, rather than understanding?

He meant the jobs of Black people. And we’ve been using that term for a while," said Diante Johnson, president of the Black Conservative Federation. "It’s any job. Instead of Black people having unlimited accessibility to all types of jobs, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs from them."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/what-i ... debate.amp
It's weird that people have to continually explain/spin what Trump actually meant when he speaks vs. what he said.
Well, folks have been trying to figure out what Biden has trying to say for almost 4 years. Fortunately our forum members have been here to interpret Biden speak for all of us. :D
What's weird are close minded people who insist on only accepting the latest ever-changing woke terminology,
then impugning the motives of people who do not use the latest woke term. What was previously the preferred terminology is now insensitive (or worse). It's a gimmick to perpetuate perpetual victim status.
What do think Trump meant by black jobs?
This :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... lack-jobs/

Trump Is Right about Illegal Immigration and Black Jobs

by PETER KIRSANOW, August 1, 2024

Former president Trump’s statement at yesterday’s National Association of Black Journalists forum — that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs — is completely accurate, even if inelegant. Any black journalist should know that fact. That some journalists, whether black or white, would feign ignorance or take offense to score cheap political points off of Trump’s elocution says much more about such journalists than it does about Trump.

Evidence adduced before several hearings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights over nearly two decades reveals the profound dislocation wrought by lax immigration enforcement on black wage and employment levels. As I’ve testified before several congressional committees during that span, the reason for the dislocation is quite basic: Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately low-skilled and disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skilled labor market. The competition is most fierce in some of the very industries in which blacks historically have been highly concentrated, such as hospitality, construction, and service. Blacks frequently lose that competition, crowded out by illegal immigrants more likely to accept jobs at cut-rate wages and substandard working conditions and who are far less likely to complain about such to the EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage & Hour Division of the Department of Labor.

At least one study suggests competition from illegal immigrants accounts for approximately 40 percent of the decline in black employment rates over the last several decades. A 2007 study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta estimated that as a result of the growth of undocumented workers, the annual earnings of the average low-skilled documented worker in Georgia in 2007 were $960 lower than they were in 2000.

Trump has expressed his concern about the above for at least the last eight years. One might think those facts would be important to an association denominating itself as black journalists.
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:58 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:38 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:48 pm More confusion, rather than understanding?

He meant the jobs of Black people. And we’ve been using that term for a while," said Diante Johnson, president of the Black Conservative Federation. "It’s any job. Instead of Black people having unlimited accessibility to all types of jobs, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs from them."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/what-i ... debate.amp
It's weird that people have to continually explain/spin what Trump actually meant when he speaks vs. what he said.
Well, folks have been trying to figure out what Biden has trying to say for almost 4 years. Fortunately our forum members have been here to interpret Biden speak for all of us. :D
What's weird are close minded people who insist on only accepting the latest ever-changing woke terminology,
then impugning the motives of people who do not use the latest woke term. What was previously the preferred terminology is now insensitive (or worse). It's a gimmick to perpetuate perpetual victim status.
What do think Trump meant by black jobs?
This :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... lack-jobs/

Trump Is Right about Illegal Immigration and Black Jobs

by PETER KIRSANOW, August 1, 2024

Former president Trump’s statement at yesterday’s National Association of Black Journalists forum — that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs — is completely accurate, even if inelegant. Any black journalist should know that fact. That some journalists, whether black or white, would feign ignorance or take offense to score cheap political points off of Trump’s elocution says much more about such journalists than it does about Trump.

Evidence adduced before several hearings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights over nearly two decades reveals the profound dislocation wrought by lax immigration enforcement on black wage and employment levels. As I’ve testified before several congressional committees during that span, the reason for the dislocation is quite basic: Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately low-skilled and disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skilled labor market. The competition is most fierce in some of the very industries in which blacks historically have been highly concentrated, such as hospitality, construction, and service. Blacks frequently lose that competition, crowded out by illegal immigrants more likely to accept jobs at cut-rate wages and substandard working conditions and who are far less likely to complain about such to the EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage & Hour Division of the Department of Labor.

At least one study suggests competition from illegal immigrants accounts for approximately 40 percent of the decline in black employment rates over the last several decades. A 2007 study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta estimated that as a result of the growth of undocumented workers, the annual earnings of the average low-skilled documented worker in Georgia in 2007 were $960 lower than they were in 2000.

Trump has expressed his concern about the above for at least the last eight years. One might think those facts would be important to an association denominating itself as black journalists.
I asked what you thought. And they don’t take jobs from white people? Pretty sure black unemployment isn’t up 40%.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:09 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:58 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:38 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:48 pm More confusion, rather than understanding?

He meant the jobs of Black people. And we’ve been using that term for a while," said Diante Johnson, president of the Black Conservative Federation. "It’s any job. Instead of Black people having unlimited accessibility to all types of jobs, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs from them."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/what-i ... debate.amp
It's weird that people have to continually explain/spin what Trump actually meant when he speaks vs. what he said.
Well, folks have been trying to figure out what Biden has trying to say for almost 4 years. Fortunately our forum members have been here to interpret Biden speak for all of us. :D
What's weird are close minded people who insist on only accepting the latest ever-changing woke terminology,
then impugning the motives of people who do not use the latest woke term. What was previously the preferred terminology is now insensitive (or worse). It's a gimmick to perpetuate perpetual victim status.
What do think Trump meant by black jobs?
This :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... lack-jobs/

Trump Is Right about Illegal Immigration and Black Jobs

by PETER KIRSANOW, August 1, 2024

Former president Trump’s statement at yesterday’s National Association of Black Journalists forum — that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs — is completely accurate, even if inelegant. Any black journalist should know that fact. That some journalists, whether black or white, would feign ignorance or take offense to score cheap political points off of Trump’s elocution says much more about such journalists than it does about Trump.

Evidence adduced before several hearings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights over nearly two decades reveals the profound dislocation wrought by lax immigration enforcement on black wage and employment levels. As I’ve testified before several congressional committees during that span, the reason for the dislocation is quite basic: Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately low-skilled and disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skilled labor market. The competition is most fierce in some of the very industries in which blacks historically have been highly concentrated, such as hospitality, construction, and service. Blacks frequently lose that competition, crowded out by illegal immigrants more likely to accept jobs at cut-rate wages and substandard working conditions and who are far less likely to complain about such to the EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage & Hour Division of the Department of Labor.

At least one study suggests competition from illegal immigrants accounts for approximately 40 percent of the decline in black employment rates over the last several decades. A 2007 study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta estimated that as a result of the growth of undocumented workers, the annual earnings of the average low-skilled documented worker in Georgia in 2007 were $960 lower than they were in 2000.

Trump has expressed his concern about the above for at least the last eight years. One might think those facts would be important to an association denominating itself as black journalists.
I asked what you thought. And they don’t take jobs from white people?
I agree with the article. They take jobs, in varying degrees, from all citizens & legal residents.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:09 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:58 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:38 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:37 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:34 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:48 pm More confusion, rather than understanding?

He meant the jobs of Black people. And we’ve been using that term for a while," said Diante Johnson, president of the Black Conservative Federation. "It’s any job. Instead of Black people having unlimited accessibility to all types of jobs, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs from them."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/what-i ... debate.amp
It's weird that people have to continually explain/spin what Trump actually meant when he speaks vs. what he said.
Well, folks have been trying to figure out what Biden has trying to say for almost 4 years. Fortunately our forum members have been here to interpret Biden speak for all of us. :D
What's weird are close minded people who insist on only accepting the latest ever-changing woke terminology,
then impugning the motives of people who do not use the latest woke term. What was previously the preferred terminology is now insensitive (or worse). It's a gimmick to perpetuate perpetual victim status.
What do think Trump meant by black jobs?
This :
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... lack-jobs/

Trump Is Right about Illegal Immigration and Black Jobs

by PETER KIRSANOW, August 1, 2024

Former president Trump’s statement at yesterday’s National Association of Black Journalists forum — that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs — is completely accurate, even if inelegant. Any black journalist should know that fact. That some journalists, whether black or white, would feign ignorance or take offense to score cheap political points off of Trump’s elocution says much more about such journalists than it does about Trump.

Evidence adduced before several hearings of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights over nearly two decades reveals the profound dislocation wrought by lax immigration enforcement on black wage and employment levels. As I’ve testified before several congressional committees during that span, the reason for the dislocation is quite basic: Blacks, particularly black men, are disproportionately concentrated in the low-skill labor market and are disproportionately likely to have no more than a high-school diploma. Likewise, illegal immigrants are disproportionately low-skilled and disproportionately likely to have minimal educational levels. Both groups compete with one another in the low-skilled labor market. The competition is most fierce in some of the very industries in which blacks historically have been highly concentrated, such as hospitality, construction, and service. Blacks frequently lose that competition, crowded out by illegal immigrants more likely to accept jobs at cut-rate wages and substandard working conditions and who are far less likely to complain about such to the EEOC, OSHA, or the Wage & Hour Division of the Department of Labor.

At least one study suggests competition from illegal immigrants accounts for approximately 40 percent of the decline in black employment rates over the last several decades. A 2007 study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta estimated that as a result of the growth of undocumented workers, the annual earnings of the average low-skilled documented worker in Georgia in 2007 were $960 lower than they were in 2000.

Trump has expressed his concern about the above for at least the last eight years. One might think those facts would be important to an association denominating itself as black journalists.
I asked what you thought. And they don’t take jobs from white people?
That's odd, Kirsanow and Trump "forgot" about that part of immigration. I'll give credit for Kirsinow's euphemism "..... that illegal immigrants are taking black jobs — is completely accurate, even if inelegant."

Inelegant? Facepalm. Dude, he said racist stuff. You know, R's won't turn to stone if they just admit that yep, sometimes Republicans say racist stuff....instead of giving us paragraphs as to why Trump telling us that Kamala didn't have two parents from different races is simply impossible. :roll:

Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
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a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:13 pm Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
Then stop doing it.
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:16 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:13 pm Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
Then stop doing it.
Right. Trump didn't say racist stuff. And you're on here making excuses for him is a coincidence, it just so happens that everyone making excuses for him is a R.

You've been telling us it's impossible for Republicans to say or do anything racist for years now. It's tiring. No one believes that except you.

Meanwhile, everyone here has NO TROUBLE telling folks when Biden says racist crap.

It's a Xmas miracle, Old Salt. And naturally, you're telling us that we're the problem here, not you and your fellow TrumpApologists.

You edited out your post........."you didn't understand what Trump meant?"

Yeah. I did. Just as I understood what "Biden meant" when he said "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". You are ALWAYS going to tell us it's impossible for a Republican to say racist stuff. It's a waste of time....
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a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:19 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:16 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:13 pm Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
Then stop doing it.
Right. Trump didn't say racist stuff. And you're on here making excuses for him is a coincidence, it just so happens that everyone making excuses for him is a R.

You've been telling us it's impossible for Republicans to say or do anything racist for years now. It's tiring. No one believes that except you.

Meanwhile, everyone here has NO TROUBLE telling folks when Biden says racist crap.

It's a Xmas miracle, Old Salt. And naturally, you're telling us that we're the problem here, not you and your fellow TrumpApologists.
Why was saying "black jobs" racist ? Did you not understand what Trump meant ? Do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?

I moved my questions here so you would not miss them.
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a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:19 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:16 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:13 pm Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
Then stop doing it.
Yeah. I did. Just as I understood what "Biden meant" when he said "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". You are ALWAYS going to tell us it's impossible for a Republican to say racist stuff. It's a waste of time....
:lol: Trump wasn't telling black voters that they were not black if they did not vote for him.
He was pointing out the disproportionate economic impact of unlawful migrant job seekers on black US citizens. (is my terminology woke enough ...this week ?)
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:28 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:19 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:16 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:13 pm Man, I'm so sick of this gaslighting.
Then stop doing it.
Yeah. I did. Just as I understood what "Biden meant" when he said "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". You are ALWAYS going to tell us it's impossible for a Republican to say racist stuff. It's a waste of time....
:lol: Trump wasn't telling black voters that they were not black if they did not vote for him.
He was pointing out the disproportionate economic impact of unlawful migrant job seekers on black US citizens. (is my terminology woke enough ...this week ?)
As I said...you're going to spin no matter what. Why not just walk from it? You will NEVER admit a Republican said something racist.

instead, you'll go on the attack, throw around woke and lovely racist stuff like screaming DEI anytime someone who isn't a white male does anything anywhere that you don't like. Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.

You're telling us that there's no such thing as Republican racism. It's a waste of time, and total gaslighting. FoxNation does this enough for all of us, no need for you to pile on with this stuff. People say racist things. It's not the end of the world, and certainly not the end of your Party.
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a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.
:lol: ...your usual all-or-nothing logic fail. I didn't say "all black jobs'.
I ask again -- do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:42 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.
:lol: ...your usual all-or-nothing logic fail. I didn't say "all black jobs'.
I ask again -- do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?
I've never met someone who has your education, and is THIS partisan, and won't just own the partisanship, and recognize you are ALWAYS going to look at everything with a R by it in the best possible light....and anything with a D by it in the worst possible light. Just a hair of self awareness would help you SO much.

So to answer your question: you can play the EXACT same stupid game with Biden's quote "if you don't vote for me, you're not black".

Because GENERALLY speaking, Biden's is saying his economic policies are better for black Americans than Trump's.

Which is why it's a racist thing to say. Now apply that to Trump and "black jobs". Get it?
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a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:53 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:42 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.
:lol: ...your usual all-or-nothing logic fail. I didn't say "all black jobs'.
I ask again -- do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?
I've never met someone who has your education, and is THIS partisan, and won't just own the partisanship, and recognize you are ALWAYS going to look at everything with a R by it in the best possible light....and anything with a D by it in the worst possible light. Just a hair of self awareness would help you SO much.

So to answer your question: you can play the EXACT same stupid game with Biden's quote "if you don't vote for me, you're not black".

Because GENERALLY speaking, Biden's is saying his economic policies are better for black Americans than Trump's.

Which is why it's a racist thing to say. Now apply that to Trump and "black jobs". Get it?
:lol: ...No. Biden is telling them if they don't vote for him, they're not authentically black.
The same thing you're upset about Trump doing to Kamala.
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:53 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:42 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.
:lol: ...your usual all-or-nothing logic fail. I didn't say "all black jobs'.
I ask again -- do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?
I've never met someone who has your education, and is THIS partisan, and won't just own the partisanship, and recognize you are ALWAYS going to look at everything with a R by it in the best possible light....and anything with a D by it in the worst possible light. Just a hair of self awareness would help you SO much.

So to answer your question: you can play the EXACT same stupid game with Biden's quote "if you don't vote for me, you're not black".

Because GENERALLY speaking, Biden's is saying his economic policies are better for black Americans than Trump's.

Which is why it's a racist thing to say. Now apply that to Trump and "black jobs". Get it?
:lol: ...No. Biden is telling them if they don't vote for him, they're not authentically black.
This is how your brain works: you think you're in charge of what Biden meant.

But you don't think others are in charge of what Trump meant....you get to decide both, and tell us this is a fact.

And "coincidentally" the R's are never racist, and the Dems are always bad.
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:53 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:42 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:36 pm Or admit that black Americans also have jobs that aren't low skill entry level....so what Trump said was stupid.
:lol: ...your usual all-or-nothing logic fail. I didn't say "all black jobs'.
I ask again -- do you dispute Kirsanow's data ?
I've never met someone who has your education, and is THIS partisan, and won't just own the partisanship, and recognize you are ALWAYS going to look at everything with a R by it in the best possible light....and anything with a D by it in the worst possible light. Just a hair of self awareness would help you SO much.

So to answer your question: you can play the EXACT same stupid game with Biden's quote "if you don't vote for me, you're not black".

Because GENERALLY speaking, Biden's is saying his economic policies are better for black Americans than Trump's.

Which is why it's a racist thing to say. Now apply that to Trump and "black jobs". Get it?
:lol: ...No. Biden is telling them if they don't vote for him, they're not authentically black.
The same thing you're upset about Trump doing to Kamala.
JB has also insinuated via his never ending criticism of Clarence Thomas that certainly is not authentically black. If you don't agree with JB a 100% you can't possibly be authentically black. FTR what exactly is the criteria to be declared " authentically black "? I'm guessing rule #1 is to be a registered Democrat? :D
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Last update: 12:15 p.m, Thursday, August 1:

With Kamala Harris having another day of reasonably strong polling, we’re now officially in the zone where we can call the race a toss-up. She has a 54 percent chance of winning Michigan, a 50 percent chance of winning Wisconsin, a 47 percent chance of winning Pennsylvania, and a 45 percent chance of winning the Electoral College.

Last update: 1:30 p.m, Friday, August 2:

Despite a bad day of economic news — which worsens the model’s economic index and therefore harms the incumbent party’s chances — Kamala Harris continues to inch ahead in the forecast on the strength of fairly strong polling. She now leads Donald Trump by 1.1 points in our national polling average, and has a 47 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, putting the race well into toss-up territory.

Harris is now ahead in Silver's poll average for each of PA, WI and MI.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:57 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:23 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:31 am There's a difference in interpreting things like "black jobs" and "sh~thole countries" and "I'm gonna rule like a dictator on the first day only" and "you won't have to vote any more... it'll be fixed" and "turned black" on and on

vs. mixing up politicians names and locations and other gaffes.
Are we sure a ride down the slippery slope of Biden quotes would only produce name/location mixups and gaffes? :roll:

How the press and social media and politicians themselves edit, distort and curate pithy sound bites for desired context can make benign appear malignant, and visa-versa. Easy enough to find examples illustrating this phenomenon from all sides. Consequences for being called out are minimal, as the points are already on the scoreboard and the base has gobbled up and regurgitated the message. It's already on to the next, and the next, ad infinitum.
What do you think Trump meant by black jobs?
That got addressed above. What do you think Biden meant by these utterances?

"I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

Or "Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”

Or "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a racial jungle."
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