I know I will face a tsunami of criticism for bringing this issue back up again. I do feel it is relevant in the discussion. When Jamie Gorelick implemented " the wall" back in 1995 the allegation was it prevented counter terrorism experts in the government from communicating what they knew to the FBI? I'm not attempting to rehash that issue. It is another example what can happen when there is a failure to communicate. It never ends well.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:58 amNo, no, no...the 9/11 commission found that "same sandbox" problem, and the DoHS was SUPPOSED to get rid of that. The very fact that you don't have unified clearance is a BIG problem. Because that means one Department can know someone is dangerous...while the other doesn't.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:59 amIt was needed, but I am not so sure how much value-add has taken place since. For instance, If I hold a high level DoD clearance and I have to now go to FBI or a military base or even work in a DoD NGO, I can not just provide my name and SSN and the query my status.....I have to fill out paperwork all over again. It seems that all these entities still do not play in the same sandbox or they just want you think that; it is frustrating as hell.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:21 amDha came w 9/11 and can go away anytime as far as I’m concerned just superfluous and redundant grew govt (under reps sadly) and created less action and more rent seeking is all.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:14 amDidn't even make it to the Secret Service let alone DHScradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:29 amPerhaps that message fell on deaf ears at DHS?NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:47 pmWe were warning you about the incompetency / willfull criminality of the SS 3.5 years ago, but no one seemed to care.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:01 pm No COMMS with USSS
https://x.com/ryanafournier/status/1817 ... a82I2GssRg
Secret Service erased texts from two-day period spanning Jan. 6 attack, watchdog says
Maybe it was primarily to manage the Patriot Act scope and be a place that could wiggle out of accountability when applying surveillance to our own citizens.
Which is what happened at the Trump rally, and that nearly got Trump killed. I'm livid.....all these billions and 20+ years later, and the problems are all still there. And Congress didn't so much as notice.
Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
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Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
You would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
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That, of course, assumes that they have some measure of control over their security - which they don't.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:16 pmYou would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Fatso gets it - there has not been an outdoor event since that last FUBAR
Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
Yup, that's what it said. Which is NO DIFFERENT from what Gray said!!! Hit by "bullet or shrapnel". A bullet fragment is known as (wait for it) "shrapnel". You are trying to make a distinction where there is none. As I said, I'll wait for the SS and FBI to make a final determination. I want to see the evidence for a 2 cm wound too.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:21 amAll you had to do was scroll down from the link I sent, it was confirmed:jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:39 pm... They still don't know whether it was a bullet or fragment / shrapnel. The ear image from tonight sure doesn't confirm Ronny Jackson's 2 cm scar claim. Just bullsh*t. Given Trump and his entourage's behavior since the event, I am beginning to suspect it was not an intact bullet. Will wait for the FBI. According to Trump it was an 88mm anti-tank round that he was hit by.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:37 pmFBI has confirmed bullet. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.htmlyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:10 amThe picture of a vapor trail next to his head was deemed authentic, I am rather certain a piece of shrapnel would not do that.Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:12 amshard from the teleprompter screen, perhaps - Orange Fatso will never tell us anything. Count on it.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:02 am
FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.
Trump doesn't want to be questioned by the FBI or have his ear examined.
FBI says Trump was hit by bullet in rally shooting, providing most direct statement on his injury so far
The FBI said Friday that Donald Trump was hit by a bullet, or a fragment from it, fired by the would-be assassin at his July 13 rally.
“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” the bureau said in a statement.
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Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
Trump and his people were warned about outdoor venues long ago. They didn't listen!Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:29 pmThat, of course, assumes that they have some measure of control over their security - which they don't.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:16 pmYou would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Fatso gets it - there has not been an outdoor event since that last FUBAR
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Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
Looking more like a 2 mm wound.
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I’m thinking now that Cheatle fell on sword to save Mayorkas’ ass….and nope I’m also not giving her a pass.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
It took longer than usual to blame Trump.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:37 pmTrump and his people were warned about outdoor venues long ago. They didn't listen!Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:29 pmThat, of course, assumes that they have some measure of control over their security - which they don't.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:16 pmYou would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Fatso gets it - there has not been an outdoor event since that last FUBAR
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... he is also a lying sack of sh*t!
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So very trueold salt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:54 amIt took longer than usual to blame Trump.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:37 pmTrump and his people were warned about outdoor venues long ago. They didn't listen!Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:29 pmThat, of course, assumes that they have some measure of control over their security - which they don't.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:16 pmYou would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Fatso gets it - there has not been an outdoor event since that last FUBAR
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
He was also later DEMOTED from Rear Admiral to Captain by the Navy for inappropriate conduct while at the WHyouthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:09 amSo very trueold salt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:54 amIt took longer than usual to blame Trump.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:37 pmTrump and his people were warned about outdoor venues long ago. They didn't listen!Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:29 pmThat, of course, assumes that they have some measure of control over their security - which they don't.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:16 pmYou would think of ALL the things that don't work right.....the rich and powerful protectees in the Exec branch would make doggone sure their families' protection was flawless. Guess not.Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:00 pm Secret Service has a demonstrated lack of operational control for YEARS now highlight not only by this recent FUBAR but also the debacle around January 6. While do report to DHS in this last case, SS had total operational control over all facets of the event. It's all very sketchy.
If I am at DHS I'm asking What the heck is up at the Secret Service? If I'm a protectee, I'm petrified.
Fatso gets it - there has not been an outdoor event since that last FUBAR
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ronny-jack ... physician/
Apparently a bit premature on the canonization of this person.
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Nice job lowering the temperature....is that "Weird"? : https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1818292038439207075
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
That's not a severed head. It's a mask.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:05 pm Nice job lowering the temperature....is that "Weird"? : https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1818292038439207075
Stop doing this, YA. You're falling for this stuff over and over and over.
Where "some guy on the internet" claims that a photo means a specific thing.....And this person is ALWAYS on the far right.
During the song, a crowd member tossed Armstrong a mask of Donald Trump with the word “idiot” written across its forehead. Armstrong held it up and the crowd roared.
You know they have a song called American Idiot, right?
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I know the song well, my old band played. ....its called symbolism and people like that friggen idiot that shot trump prey on things like this. See the forest my fan.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:09 pmThat's not a severed head. It's a mask.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:05 pm Nice job lowering the temperature....is that "Weird"? : https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1818292038439207075
Stop doing this, YA. You're falling for this stuff over and over and over.
Where "some guy on the internet" claims that a photo means a specific thing.....And this person is ALWAYS on the far right.
During the song, a crowd member tossed Armstrong a mask of Donald Trump with the word “idiot” written across its forehead. Armstrong held it up and the crowd roared.
You know they have a song called American Idiot, right?
Be better. STOP CITING TWITTER AS IF ITS REAL
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
Prey on holding up a mask that calls Trump an American Idiot? Come on.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:19 pmI know the song well, my old band played. ....its called symbolism and people like that friggen idiot that shot trump prey on things like this. See the forest my fan.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:09 pmThat's not a severed head. It's a mask.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:05 pm Nice job lowering the temperature....is that "Weird"? : https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1818292038439207075
Stop doing this, YA. You're falling for this stuff over and over and over.
Where "some guy on the internet" claims that a photo means a specific thing.....And this person is ALWAYS on the far right.
During the song, a crowd member tossed Armstrong a mask of Donald Trump with the word “idiot” written across its forehead. Armstrong held it up and the crowd roared.
You know they have a song called American Idiot, right?
Be better. STOP CITING TWITTER AS IF ITS REAL
Have you heard ANY of Trump's speeches of late? He has kept the temperature up, and then some.
Go over to his page and call him out. This is getting ridiculous, YA.
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Re: Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?
I suppose this is not good enough either, b/c Charlie Kirk posted it....is that how this works? https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1818333751728050636jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:35 pmYup, that's what it said. Which is NO DIFFERENT from what Gray said!!! Hit by "bullet or shrapnel". A bullet fragment is known as (wait for it) "shrapnel". You are trying to make a distinction where there is none. As I said, I'll wait for the SS and FBI to make a final determination. I want to see the evidence for a 2 cm wound too.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:21 amAll you had to do was scroll down from the link I sent, it was confirmed:jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:39 pm... They still don't know whether it was a bullet or fragment / shrapnel. The ear image from tonight sure doesn't confirm Ronny Jackson's 2 cm scar claim. Just bullsh*t. Given Trump and his entourage's behavior since the event, I am beginning to suspect it was not an intact bullet. Will wait for the FBI. According to Trump it was an 88mm anti-tank round that he was hit by.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:37 pmFBI has confirmed bullet. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.htmlyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:10 amThe picture of a vapor trail next to his head was deemed authentic, I am rather certain a piece of shrapnel would not do that.Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:12 amshard from the teleprompter screen, perhaps - Orange Fatso will never tell us anything. Count on it.jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:02 am
FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.
Trump doesn't want to be questioned by the FBI or have his ear examined.
FBI says Trump was hit by bullet in rally shooting, providing most direct statement on his injury so far
The FBI said Friday that Donald Trump was hit by a bullet, or a fragment from it, fired by the would-be assassin at his July 13 rally.
“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle,” the bureau said in a statement.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard