NattyBoh wins today's Fanlax!!!NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:15 am WSJ Guy: Kamala would be the best Democratic candidate.
Harris: I'm running
WSJ Guy: Wait, I was wrong a week or two ago...
MSM like the WSJ has been pathetically predictable since it was all bought out.
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Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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Outside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
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THe earned their way last outing....while the democrats and others showed soladarity, This time, however, they shoved asisde....b/c they dont support their perceived cause...Got it. If not for double standards, the left would not have any.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:04 pmOutside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
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Any chance you can rephrase this to we can understand what you are trying to say?youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:12 pmTHe earned their way last outing....while the democrats and others showed soladarity, This time, however, they shoved asisde....b/c they dont support their perceived cause...Got it. If not for double standards, the left would not have any.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:04 pmOutside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
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Everyone loved and supported BLM last outing, now, not so much.....why?Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:14 pmAny chance you can rephrase this to we can understand what you are trying to say?youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:12 pmTHe earned their way last outing....while the democrats and others showed soladarity, This time, however, they shoved asisde....b/c they dont support their perceived cause...Got it. If not for double standards, the left would not have any.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:04 pmOutside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Kamala coming out a day late ....if only Trump would have waited until January 7th to say something.
https://x.com/VP/status/1816490945501708660
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Will this be here version of the HRC Deplorables? https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1816466441773760875
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Interesting clip from Ford: https://x.com/historyinmemes/status/1816463411812966774
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“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Meh. The irony here is.....the dude who runs the twitter account posted that. They didn't hold a vote as to what to post.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:12 pmTHe earned their way last outing....while the democrats and others showed soladarity, This time, however, they shoved asisde....b/c they dont support their perceived cause...Got it. If not for double standards, the left would not have any.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:04 pmOutside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
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That’s one way to walk it back.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:51 pmMeh. The irony here is.....the dude who runs the twitter account posted that. They didn't hold a vote as to what to post.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:12 pmTHe earned their way last outing....while the democrats and others showed soladarity, This time, however, they shoved asisde....b/c they dont support their perceived cause...Got it. If not for double standards, the left would not have any.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:04 pmOutside interests trying to mess with the Dems. Hilarious.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:08 amStaying engaged: https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1816306232786853956youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:20 pm BLM Chiming in & pissed off. https://x.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1815629502128533647
Kamala was selected, not elected.
But the solution is simple.
Join us in calling on
@TheDemocrats
to let the American people vote in an informal, virtual primary (an online vote) ASAP so our communities can weigh in on this unprecedented moment. Democracy demands no less.
Sign our petition to the DNC: https://actionnetwork.org/forms/call-on ... n-process/
Oh yeah, an online poll is a GREAT idea.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Holy crap...Kamala agrees with me. Wait maybe thatyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:17 pm
Kamala coming out a day late ....if only Trump would have waited until January 7th to say something.
https://x.com/VP/status/1816490945501708660
should be I agree with her. Technically by the rules established here on this forum... yesterdays event was a classic example of what a peaceful protest should look like.
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That is not even close to what you claimed. You led a very sheltered life apparently.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:57 amThose were all internal issues that caused much heartache but were always secondary to the conflict in Vietnam. I betcha didn't listen to Walter Cronkite on the news telling you " and that's the way it is " . I watched it with my dad almost every nightOCanada wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:39 amVery narrow view of the world. Vietnam was the “only issue”? Horse pucky. MLK assassinated in 1968. Bobby Kennedy assassinated in 1958. Cities were burning. National Guards were called out. Civil Rights legislation was being put in place. The Dixiecrats mov ised to the Republican Party. Seismic! Nist go name a viewcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:38 amYour correct but the threat environment today in the world isn't even remotely close to what it was in 1968. Vietnam was the only issue that was on peoples minds. The world has gotten way more complicated in the 50 plus years since then. There are a lot more bad actors out there in the world today that would take great satisfaction at handing a few lumps to the USA. I only hope that nagging little voice in the back of my head is wrong.
Every night there was always an update on how many soldiers we lost that day, that week that month. The ongoing disaster of what was happening in Vietnam and his realization that he was solely responsible for it left him a broken man. He realized it was time to let someone else try and fix the problem. I lived through those years and remember it all to well. I have no idea if you did as well. I remember my sister who hated the war starting heated arguments with my dad about the war. My dad hated all war he lived war having survived extensive front line WW2 combat. The events you cited were all inclusive of the chaos and heartache of those horrible years. Vietnam festered in the American conscience for years and damn near tore this country apart. I remember what it was like because my family the experience everyday. If you remember it differently then that was your experience.
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So Kamala agrees with you, eh? Means you two are of like minds. Have you put a Harris sign up in your front yard yet?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:03 pmHoly crap...Kamala agrees with me. Wait maybe thatyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:17 pm
Kamala coming out a day late ....if only Trump would have waited until January 7th to say something.
https://x.com/VP/status/1816490945501708660
should be I agree with her. Technically by the rules established here on this forum... yesterdays event was a classic example of what a peaceful protest should look like.
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That is an interesting clip. Sounds like the question was asked by perhaps an eight-year-old girl. Maybe Ford’s “the president will die” answer was a bit harsh given his audience.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:26 pm Interesting clip from Ford: https://x.com/historyinmemes/status/1816463411812966774
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Speak the truth, in love.njbill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:17 pmThat is an interesting clip. Sounds like the question was asked by perhaps an eight-year-old girl. Maybe Ford’s “the president will die” answer was a bit harsh given his audience.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:26 pm Interesting clip from Ford: https://x.com/historyinmemes/status/1816463411812966774
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I'm waiting until she chooses a running mate.njbill wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:14 pmSo Kamala agrees with you, eh? Means you two are of like minds. Have you put a Harris sign up in your front yard yet?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:03 pmHoly crap...Kamala agrees with me. Wait maybe thatyouthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:17 pm
Kamala coming out a day late ....if only Trump would have waited until January 7th to say something.
https://x.com/VP/status/1816490945501708660
should be I agree with her. Technically by the rules established here on this forum... yesterdays event was a classic example of what a peaceful protest should look like.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
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Nobody knows. We’ll find out.thiefcrazy98 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:43 pmdo you think she really has a chance against Trump?ggait wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:03 pmNattyBoh wins today's Fanlax!!!NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 9:15 am WSJ Guy: Kamala would be the best Democratic candidate.
Harris: I'm running
WSJ Guy: Wait, I was wrong a week or two ago...
MSM like the WSJ has been pathetically predictable since it was all bought out.
But we do know that Sleepy Joe had a sub 15% chance. About the same odds as drawing to an inside straight. No thanks.
I’d expect Harris to still be an underdog, but have a higher win probability than Joe. In all likelihood to beat Trump, Joe needed to drop out in 2023 so there could have been a real primary.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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Not too ten and Lyndon johnson way too highnjbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:45 pmHe could well be top 10. Rs won't agree of course.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:35 pm... Joe will be in the top 10 presidents list, the day he leaves office. He has an impressive legacy.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:22 pmFor what it's worth, my kids (28, 25) and all of their friends, whom I regularly see around our town or who communicate regularly with them, were gobsmacked by the debate performance. Their regular way of consuming news and communicating it -- social media, Instagram, the odious TikTok, etc. -- amplified Joe's age and relative infirmity in a way that I, anyway, really couldn't understand or absorb.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:10 pmYou're right about Clooney as irrelevant, (other than perhaps as another canary in the coal mine).njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:46 pm You betcha Joe is pissed. And rightly so. His supposed partners in the Democratic Party stabbed him in the back and threw him under the bus.
The main villain is Pelosi, though Obama is not far behind. She persuaded the donors to cut off the money. When the books are written about this saga down the road, Pelosi and Obama are gonna come off really badly especially if Harris loses.
The Dems had the high moral ground over Trump and could claim they were working to save democracy. They totally blew it. What they just did is as anti-democratic as could be.
But I think you're wrong about the professional politicians. They're pros. They looked at data, they looked at money flow, they looked at trend lines, they looked at down ballot impacts, and they made a consistent judgment across the board. Fully understanding the downside risks. A whole lot of them who know this business way, way better than any of us Fanlax posters.
Could Joe have won? We'll never know, but a heck of a lot of people looked at that debate, just like I did, as an epic disaster which turned an uphill chance of winning (when by all my measures should have been a runaway given the horribleness of the alternative) to a potential landslide defeat. Didn't mean I wasn't going to vote for Joe given the alternative, but man, it was depressing. And he did nothing in the ensuing weeks to prove the debate was a one-off or that there was any way he could meet the demand for fresh new face and ideas, a generational shift. Just nothing left in the quiver.
I disagree about "anti-democratic" as the representatives of 14 million die hard primary voters get the final say. Another 65 million+ will likely show up and vote for her...hopefully on the + side of that.
Joe weighed in hard on behalf of Harris but the delegates weren't bound to do what he advised...they made their own calculations on behalf of those who voted for them and their own beliefs as to what had the best chance of success. Super swiftly, because, IMO, it was super obvious. That no one wanted to challenge Harris isn't "anti-democratic" it's that they understand the strength of her pole position and the benefits of rallying to her side.
Just importantly, the massive outpouring of small donor support, 60% brand new donors, speaks volumes about what folks think about this call. Same for the massive sign-up of new volunteers.
The Dems very much still have the moral high ground over Trump...it ain't close and grinding about it does zero good.
As I wrote earlier, the Brits tossed aside Churchill shortly after the end of the war, a war they very likely would not have survived absent his leadership. History looks super favorably on Churchill and for much the same reasons I think history will do the same for Biden.
But, yes, Harris needs to win...let's get behind that full force.
I have the highest regard for njbill, but I do think the professional political people did the right thing. If Biden is pissed, then having been a President, Vice President, and multi-term Senator will at least be something to sink back into at the end of the line. History will remember Biden with both kindness and respect. I know I will.
Here is one list I found:
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Harry S. Truman
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama
Lyndon B. Johnson
James Monroe
Woodrow Wilson
William McKinley
John Adams
James Madison
John Quincy Adams
James K. Polk
William J. Clinton
Ulysses S. Grant
George H. W. Bush
Andrew Jackson
William Howard Taft
Calvin Coolidge
Grover Cleveland
Jimmy Carter
James A. Garfield
Gerald R. Ford
George W. Bush
Chester A. Arthur
Richard M. Nixon
Benjamin Harrison
Rutherford B. Hayes
Martin Van Buren
Zachary Taylor
Herbert Hoover
Warren G. Harding
Millard Fillmore
John Tyler
William Henry Harrison
Donald J. Trump
Franklin Pierce
Andrew Johnson
James Buchanan
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2 ... ge=overall
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Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Small closed world yesOCanada wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:08 pmThat is not even close to what you claimed. You led a very sheltered life apparently.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:57 amThose were all internal issues that caused much heartache but were always secondary to the conflict in Vietnam. I betcha didn't listen to Walter Cronkite on the news telling you " and that's the way it is " . I watched it with my dad almost every nightOCanada wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:39 amVery narrow view of the world. Vietnam was the “only issue”? Horse pucky. MLK assassinated in 1968. Bobby Kennedy assassinated in 1958. Cities were burning. National Guards were called out. Civil Rights legislation was being put in place. The Dixiecrats mov ised to the Republican Party. Seismic! Nist go name a viewcradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:38 amYour correct but the threat environment today in the world isn't even remotely close to what it was in 1968. Vietnam was the only issue that was on peoples minds. The world has gotten way more complicated in the 50 plus years since then. There are a lot more bad actors out there in the world today that would take great satisfaction at handing a few lumps to the USA. I only hope that nagging little voice in the back of my head is wrong.
Every night there was always an update on how many soldiers we lost that day, that week that month. The ongoing disaster of what was happening in Vietnam and his realization that he was solely responsible for it left him a broken man. He realized it was time to let someone else try and fix the problem. I lived through those years and remember it all to well. I have no idea if you did as well. I remember my sister who hated the war starting heated arguments with my dad about the war. My dad hated all war he lived war having survived extensive front line WW2 combat. The events you cited were all inclusive of the chaos and heartache of those horrible years. Vietnam festered in the American conscience for years and damn near tore this country apart. I remember what it was like because my family the experience everyday. If you remember it differently then that was your experience.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah