Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?

[njbill]

Trump says Secret Service did not warn him about gunman before assassination attempt

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump ... on-attempt

According to reporting and the questioning yesterday, the detail itself was aware of "suspicious" but not "threat"; he wasn't a "gunman", he was just acting suspiciously...huge mistake obviously, but not one which was about not telling Trump himself. They didn't know there was a gun when he got on stage.

Obviously, in retrospect, "suspicious" should have been enough. But maybe there's lots of "suspicious" folks at these rallies???

What I still didn't hear was why when there were multiple communications of a gun did the "suspicious" not go off the charts to "threat" and "gunman".

Sure, there's an investigation, but this felt like another closing of the ranks ala the Trump Admin SS cover-up of what went down Jan 6, the wiping of phones subsequently, etc. Really, really bad culture problem...heck, Trump having his SS guy promoted into the WH staff, ridiculously wrong culturally.

Who knows whether she was trying to change the culture, but man she fell flat yesterday, leading to the most prominent Dems on the Committee calling for her resignation, from Vice Chair Raskin to AOC.

Gotta give straight answers or have a darn tootin good reason for withholding sensitive info. If you don't know the answers, why not...be clear as heck and demonstrate some urgency to know. She fell flat.

The dumb stuff about DEI was stupid culture war nonsense; the SS has had a problem apparently through multiple leaderships. She's a 30 year veteran, so deeply embedded in whatever the culture problems actually exist...if she was a change agent, she sure didn't demonstrate it yesterday.

I agree with much of this. I think this was semantics on her part, using 'Suspicious' and 'Threat' terms, to give her wiggle room

I think pushing her out, while all this is going on, was a bad decision....unless they already have everything they need, intel wise. Otherwise, all they need to do now is blame her for everything and the problem goes away; it satisfies the optics but does not treat the problem. I would have made her stick it out through the pain of the investigation. If that was me.....I'd want to be front and center and dredge through the agony of something this important and figure out where I fugged up; there should have been an AAR performed within 24 to 48 hours to get everyone at least 2/3rds the way there. And in the end, since I knew I was going to likely be let go afterwards, I could air what changes need to happen, which often gets caught in red tape and bureaucracy.

After her public performance, there was little of no choice IMHO.

Agreed.....which tells me this was the plan all along, to stone wall systemic failures in security across all the 3-letter agencies.

My good friend retired from the USSS 5 years ago, primarily because they are overworked, underappreciated, and have little to no faimly/life balance...and he was a single man. He was burned out...overtime was not an option, is was mandatory.

Who the F would want these jobs? Where the expectation is perfect, with nothing missed. Day after day after day.

Makes me wonder how many hours these cats work a week...... and if THAT is the problem.

Must be the free lap dances.

[old salt]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

[MDlaxfan76]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

That's why I asked...I'm skeptical, but if they see lots of "suspicious" activity and characters on a frequent basis, that's the only way "suspicious" doesn't read threat pretty darn quickly, until proven otherwise.

Yes, me I see all sorts of reprobates in those crowds...not all obviously, but a whole lot of missing teeth and tats...and that's the women...

But that doesn't make them "suspicious"...

Seriously, there sure appears to be a longstanding cultural problem with this agency...cover-up appears to be in their DNA.

cradle was on here telling us there's no way they're going to admit they have manpower issues...

[njbill]

So the Secret Service has now asked Trump not to hold out door rallies.

What are the Vegas odds on Trump agreeing to that?

[Typical Lax Dad]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

That's why I asked...I'm skeptical, but if they see lots of "suspicious" activity and characters on a frequent basis, that's the only way "suspicious" doesn't read threat pretty darn quickly, until proven otherwise.

Yes, me I see all sorts of reprobates in those crowds...not all obviously, but a whole lot of missing teeth and tats...and that's the women...

But that doesn't make them "suspicious"...

Seriously, there sure appears to be a longstanding cultural problem with this agency...cover-up appears to be in their DNA.

cradle was on here telling us there's no way they're going to admit they have manpower issues...

[OCanada]

The FBI and the SS are two law enforcement agencies with both parties having a significant presence

[youthathletics]

This hearing is odd.

Johnson from Ga, spends his entire time talking about Project 2025.
Gaetz spending his time on Biden cognitive decline

[Kismet]

This hearing is odd.

Johnson from Ga, spends his entire time talking about Project 2025.
Gaetz spending his time on Biden cognitive decline

Not odd so much as typical for the usual performers.

[cradleandshoot]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

That's why I asked...I'm skeptical, but if they see lots of "suspicious" activity and characters on a frequent basis, that's the only way "suspicious" doesn't read threat pretty darn quickly, until proven otherwise.

Yes, me I see all sorts of reprobates in those crowds...not all obviously, but a whole lot of missing teeth and tats...and that's the women...

But that doesn't make them "suspicious"...

Seriously, there sure appears to be a longstanding cultural problem with this agency...cover-up appears to be in their DNA.

cradle was on here telling us there's no way they're going to admit they have manpower issues...

I was incorrect to a degree. They would have never in a million years ever admitted publicly they had manpower issues. The trump assassination attempt sorta kinda blew up in their face. Then the lack of field agents became the fallback excuse. Bonus question for you TLD. Why do you think the secret service would never make it known they were having a shortage of agents? Actually that is a really easy one, almost too easy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

That's why I asked...I'm skeptical, but if they see lots of "suspicious" activity and characters on a frequent basis, that's the only way "suspicious" doesn't read threat pretty darn quickly, until proven otherwise.

Yes, me I see all sorts of reprobates in those crowds...not all obviously, but a whole lot of missing teeth and tats...and that's the women...

But that doesn't make them "suspicious"...

Seriously, there sure appears to be a longstanding cultural problem with this agency...cover-up appears to be in their DNA.

cradle was on here telling us there's no way they're going to admit they have manpower issues...

I was incorrect to a degree. They would have never in a million years ever admitted publicly they had manpower issues. The trump assassination attempt sorta kinda blew up in their face. Then the lack of field agents became the fallback excuse. Bonus question for you TLD. Why do you think the secret service would never make it known they were having a shortage of agents? Actually that is a really easy one, almost too easy.

They like being paid the overtime.

[youthathletics]

UPDATE: Matthew Crooks GAB Account: https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1816180238918824255

[NattyBohChamps04]

UPDATE: Matthew Crooks GAB Account: https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1816180238918824255

From 3.5 years ago? Wonder what made him become a Republican since then. Kids are easily influenced by social media accounts like those. Some adults too.

I personally like to wait on verification on stuff like that. A lot of other news stories about his conservative leanings by classmates and acquaintances along that vein... we'll see if any of it mattered or is true.

[jhu72]

UPDATE: Matthew Crooks GAB Account: https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1816180238918824255

.. but we can't confirm that it is Crooks account, so we will just assume and tie in Joe Biden.

[jhu72]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

[Kismet]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

shard from the teleprompter screen, perhaps - Orange Fatso will never tell us anything. Count on it.

[cradleandshoot]

How many suspicious characters can be spotted at a Trump ralliy ?
When mdlf76 reviews the videotape. he see thousands of them.

Mayorkas is a real profile in courage. He just offered her up.
He should go too.

That's why I asked...I'm skeptical, but if they see lots of "suspicious" activity and characters on a frequent basis, that's the only way "suspicious" doesn't read threat pretty darn quickly, until proven otherwise.

Yes, me I see all sorts of reprobates in those crowds...not all obviously, but a whole lot of missing teeth and tats...and that's the women...

But that doesn't make them "suspicious"...

Seriously, there sure appears to be a longstanding cultural problem with this agency...cover-up appears to be in their DNA.

cradle was on here telling us there's no way they're going to admit they have manpower issues...

I was incorrect to a degree. They would have never in a million years ever admitted publicly they had manpower issues. The trump assassination attempt sorta kinda blew up in their face. Then the lack of field agents became the fallback excuse. Bonus question for you TLD. Why do you think the secret service would never make it known they were having a shortage of agents? Actually that is a really easy one, almost too easy.

They like being paid the overtime.

Nope...try again. The overtime is nice indeed.

[cradleandshoot]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

Has the FBI explained the source of the shrapnel? The shooter had a clear line of sight from the roof top to where trump was speaking. If it was shrapnel where might it have come from? Maybe it was related to the " magic bullet " made famous in the Kennedy assassination?

[youthathletics]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

shard from the teleprompter screen, perhaps - Orange Fatso will never tell us anything. Count on it.

The picture of a vapor trail next to his head was deemed authentic, I am rather certain a piece of shrapnel would not do that.

[njbill]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

Has the FBI explained the source of the shrapnel? The shooter had a clear line of sight from the roof top to where trump was speaking. If it was shrapnel where might it have come from? Maybe it was related to the " magic bullet " made famous in the Kennedy assassination?

You do know that Arlen Spector’s great grandson is part of the investigation, right?

I heard the Teleprompter shard theory early on. I’ve seen some videos which seem to show both teleprompters fully intact after the bullet passed by.

On the other hand, you would think a bullet would do a lot more damage to the ear than Trump apparently suffered. Mike Tyson did a lot worse.

Using my nonexistent expertise in medicine, bullets, and teleprompter shards, the injuries do seem more consistent with a shard than a bullet.

[Kismet]

FBI has not confirmed Trump hit by a bullet. It may have only been a piece of shrapnel.

Has the FBI explained the source of the shrapnel? The shooter had a clear line of sight from the roof top to where trump was speaking. If it was shrapnel where might it have come from? Maybe it was related to the " magic bullet " made famous in the Kennedy assassination?

You do know that Arlen Spector’s great grandson is part of the investigation, right?

I heard the Teleprompter shard theory early on. I’ve seen some videos which seem to show both teleprompters fully intact after the bullet passed by.

On the other hand, you would think a bullet would do a lot more damage to the ear than Trump apparently suffered. Mike Tyson did a lot worse.

Using my nonexistent expertise in medicine, bullets, and teleprompter shards, the injuries do seem more consistent with a shard than a bullet.

One might surmise that an intact bullet that near his head would have produced other damage - of course, we might never know because OD is never going to tell us although the FBI has requested an interview which also will never happen

Remains to be seen if the FBI investigation can trace all of the shots at some point? In which case, they were tell us because OD is not currently in charge. NYT analysis indicates former DOPUS was, indeed, grazed by a bullet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/us/p ... y-ear.html

Notable that Gym Jordan stopped asking questions when it became clear that the FBI director had answers.