~46~ Lame Duck Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~

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WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:36 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:13 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:06 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:04 am Quick and somewhat stupid sounding but serious question: Has anyone seen any news reporting on where Joe Biden actually is, or if he's been seen? As of a little while ago (at least as far as I can discern) no sightings for a long time on the heels of a momentous moment yesterday afternoon.
He is isolating from COVID at his home in Rehoboth Beach - this isolation may explain why he has not been seen
Sheesh :oops:

Cannot wait for your theory....... :lol:
:lol: :lol: Did you forget he practically lived and communicated with the nation from his basement via the internet?
Was just asking, and my tinfoil hat is temporarily lost in the jumble at the back of the garage. ;)

Kind of a momentous moment, and even a quick hello from Rehoboth Station would have seemed to be in order.
Seriously, did you actually not know where he was...or just gaslighting?

I mean, every bit of coverage said where he was and why...

He's also said that he's going to address the nation in the next days, but we should expect that to be when he's back in the White House and beyond Covid. Again, throughout the reporting.
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a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:20 am
a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
+1.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:09 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:36 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:13 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:06 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:04 am Quick and somewhat stupid sounding but serious question: Has anyone seen any news reporting on where Joe Biden actually is, or if he's been seen? As of a little while ago (at least as far as I can discern) no sightings for a long time on the heels of a momentous moment yesterday afternoon.
He is isolating from COVID at his home in Rehoboth Beach - this isolation may explain why he has not been seen
Sheesh :oops:

Cannot wait for your theory....... :lol:
:lol: :lol: Did you forget he practically lived and communicated with the nation from his basement via the internet?
Was just asking, and my tinfoil hat is temporarily lost in the jumble at the back of the garage. ;)

Kind of a momentous moment, and even a quick hello from Rehoboth Station would have seemed to be in order.
Seriously, did you actually not know where he was...or just gaslighting?

I mean, every bit of coverage said where he was and why...

He's also said that he's going to address the nation in the next days, but we should expect that to be when he's back in the White House and beyond Covid. Again, throughout the reporting.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-covid- ... a80129c190

REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. (AP) — President Joe Biden’s “symptoms have almost resolved completely” from COVID-19, according to his physician, as the president on Monday remained out of public view for the fifth straight day.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:43 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:09 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:36 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:13 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:06 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:04 am Quick and somewhat stupid sounding but serious question: Has anyone seen any news reporting on where Joe Biden actually is, or if he's been seen? As of a little while ago (at least as far as I can discern) no sightings for a long time on the heels of a momentous moment yesterday afternoon.
He is isolating from COVID at his home in Rehoboth Beach - this isolation may explain why he has not been seen
Sheesh :oops:

Cannot wait for your theory....... :lol:
:lol: :lol: Did you forget he practically lived and communicated with the nation from his basement via the internet?
Was just asking, and my tinfoil hat is temporarily lost in the jumble at the back of the garage. ;)

Kind of a momentous moment, and even a quick hello from Rehoboth Station would have seemed to be in order.
Seriously, did you actually not know where he was...or just gaslighting?

I mean, every bit of coverage said where he was and why...

He's also said that he's going to address the nation in the next days, but we should expect that to be when he's back in the White House and beyond Covid. Again, throughout the reporting.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-covid- ... a80129c190

REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. (AP) — President Joe Biden’s “symptoms have almost resolved completely” from COVID-19, according to his physician, as the president on Monday remained out of public view for the fifth straight day.
:lol: :roll:
Yeah, he's isolated with Covid...but on the phone with all sorts of people...including a publicly aired phone call in support of Harris...there goes that 'coup' nonsense....ahh well...

Does it really bother you so much how well Harris crushed it today in her speech, how sweet their phone call was?

The gaslighting is off the charts...a whole spectrum of right wing media is losing their minds over the surge Harris is getting in small dollar donations and enormous sign-up of volunteers in just one day. 30,000 volunteers in a day, when normally it's 250 per day...$81 million in small dollar donations, big % first time donors...

I understand why that freaks MAGA out, but you aren't full on MAGA are you? Waffle, sure, but et tu?
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:34 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:20 am
a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
+1.
Harris is a "rat faced weasel"???
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kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:34 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:20 am
a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
+1.
The difference here, as Kram knows, is that the criticisms of Biden's policies and problems flow like a river.

Trump? Not a peep, and that includes you, Kram. And you, YA.

Someday you guys will come up with something. I'm not holding my breath. You're both acting like someone will kick your dog if you say something bad about a Trump policy.
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The great thing about anonymous internet forums is that you can lie about who you're gonna vote for.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:06 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:34 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:20 am
a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
+1.
Harris is a "rat faced weasel"???
No remember your code rats are reserved for George Soros, Debbie Wasserstein and folks like that.
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The Biden Presidency has been a Cheap Fake from the start. VP Kamala was an enabler of the Weekend at Bernie's Admin.
{lengthy WSJ reporting, compressed & posted for the edification of non-subscribers}
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/ ... t-c9fc46ef

How the Bet on an 81-Year-Old Joe Biden Turned Into an Epic Miscalculation
Voters thought the faltering president was too old, but allies looked the other way, advisers defended his abilities and the Democratic Party boxed out other candidates

By Rebecca Ballhaus, Siobhan Hughes, Annie Linskey, Andrew Restuccia and Erich Schwartzel, July 21, 2024

President Biden had just finished trying to persuade a group of congressional Democrats to pass a $1 trillion infrastructure bill when Nancy Pelosi, then the House speaker, took the microphone.
In 30 minutes of remarks on Capitol Hill, Biden had spoken disjointedly and failed to make a concrete ask of lawmakers, according to Democrats in the room. After he left, a visibly frustrated Pelosi told the group she would articulate what Biden had been trying to say, one lawmaker said.
“It was the first time I remember people pretty jarred by what they had seen,” recalled Rep. Dean Phillips (D., Minn.), who would go on to mount an unsuccessful primary challenge against the president.
That was October 2021. That month was the last time Biden met with the House Democratic caucus on the Hill regarding legislation.
Nearly three years later, concerns about the 81-year-old president’s age and mental acuity have put an abrupt cap on his half-century political career. They had grown from a murmur among allies, who said they believed—or hoped—they were catching the president on a bad day, to a deafening roar, as many of those same allies called on him to step aside in the wake of his disastrous June 27 debate performance.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S LETTER
On Sunday, Biden announced he was withdrawing from the presidential race, an unparalleled step that leaves Democrats without a nominee less than four months before Election Day. Biden endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris to take his place, but it remains to be seen if voters rally behind her.
How the Democratic Party came to the brink of nominating a candidate with an obvious flaw is a story of allies eager to look the other way, Biden advisers who worked to stamp out doubts about his vigor and a party apparatus that boxed out alternative candidates.
The result is an epic, yearslong miscalculation that has Democrats racing to mount an uncertain reboot of their campaign against former President Donald Trump, the Republican nominee who is fresh off a unifying party convention that was galvanized by an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate him on July 13.
The drawbacks of Biden’s age were clear to voters, with polls showing that nearly three-quarters of them last year deemed him too old to seek another term. Yet inside the party’s uppermost ranks, revelations about the toll aging has taken on the president seemed to catch many people by surprise in recent months.
“I am really concerned about what we were not told during these months,” said Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D., Texas) in an interview. “I remain concerned about that—that for whatever reasons, this overprotective, stage-managed kind of operation not only appears to have denied the American people broadly of an understanding of the president’s current situation, but also other elected officials.”
White House spokesman Andrew Bates said on Sunday, “President Biden has given over 50 interviews this year alone, recently held a one-hour, thorough press conference, done over 580 gaggles with the White House press corps in office, and travels the country speaking directly to the American people about his agenda for making their lives better.” He said Biden has built the most successful record in modern American history, and that the president “has always said that it is fair for reporters to ask about his age.”
Ron Klain, who attended the October 2021 meeting and was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said the decision not to call for a vote at the time was a “brilliant” move by Biden that avoided strong-arming reluctant members of the Democratic caucus and that later paid dividends. Biden signed the infrastructure bill into law the next month, one of his biggest legislative achievements. Other Democrats in the room also said they were confused by how Biden handled the meeting.
This account is based on interviews with more than four dozen current and former administration officials, campaign aides, donors, lawmakers, congressional aides and foreign diplomats.

Limited contact
Many Democratic lawmakers said they were stunned by Biden’s condition in the debate in part because their contact with him has been so limited over the past three years. “We would see him on TV or at a signing ceremony, even something like the White House picnic this year—you begin to think, well maybe he’s a little bit off, but not enough to take much notice,” Doggett said.
Senior officials at cabinet agencies have privately complained for years that they didn’t have enough contact with the president and his senior team, who centralized power in the White House and directed much of the administration’s policy activity.
While it’s not unusual for cabinet members to want more access to the president than they get, some officials described Biden as unusually removed from the rest of his administration—or, as one former administration official put it, not engaged in the “hands-on business of governing.” Some cabinet secretaries see the president as infrequently as once a month.
Chris Lu, former White House cabinet secretary under former President Barack Obama, said in a statement provided by the White House that a monthly pace of meetings between the president and cabinet secretaries isn’t uncommon and that the cabinet typically interacts the most with senior White House staff.
For months before the debate, Biden’s advisers responded angrily to suggestions that Biden was deteriorating, telling critics in private conversations that their concerns were overblown and were playing into Republican critiques.
Trump, they pointed out, had plenty of mix-ups himself. The 78-year-old had boasted about polling showing him leading Obama, who isn’t running for office, had warned that the nation was on the brink of World War II and had otherwise behaved erratically during and after his presidency.
Several of Biden’s senior aides told people who expressed doubts that the president remained sharp behind the scenes and wasn’t showing signs of slipping.
That was the case when The Wall Street Journal interviewed senior White House aides and Democratic lawmakers this spring and asked whether the president’s acuity had declined. “I met with the president every day for two years and I still see him regularly, and I can tell you he is sharp and has good recall of events and facts and information,” Klain, the former chief of staff, told the Journal in April.
Bates, the White House spokesman, pointed to the president’s news conference this month as proof of his sharpness.
Helping shield the problem, people who have met with the president said, is that Biden has good days and bad days. Some people who were alarmed by his appearance in one meeting would be swiftly reassured when he was sharp and decisive in another.
As recently as this month, officials described him as energetic and clear-spoken in a three-hour meeting during the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit. In the spring, he led multiple 30-minute calls addressing the collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, where officials were impressed by his detailed knowledge and command of the issues.
Others say they realize now that they had simply been looking the other way. One longtime donor recalled that on the last three occasions he saw the president, Biden had repeatedly lost his train of thought and interrupted his sentence with “whatever.” The donor didn’t think much of it at the time. “I was probably rationalizing,” he said. “Subconsciously, you’re like—OK, I don’t think I can deal with this reality. What choice do I have? Nobody else is running.”
When Biden entered the White House in 2021, on the heels of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, many government officials in the U.S. and abroad sighed with relief, eager for a less chaotic administration.
At first, Biden’s stumbles seemed like isolated incidents, such as when the president said the wrong country, or appeared confused, or fell three times walking up the stairs to Air Force One. Biden, after all, has described himself as a “gaffe machine.” People who know him said he has never been as effective an orator as Obama or others.
At the Group of Seven summit in England in June 2021, the first of Biden’s presidency, he repeatedly mixed up Syria and Libya at a news conference. The errors drew little attention as world leaders focused on celebrating Biden’s arrival. “It is great to have a U.S. president who’s part of the club,” said French President Emmanuel Macron after meeting with Biden.

Confused on G-7 call
In spring 2022, some European officials began to notice that something might be amiss. Biden was chairing an online video call on Ukraine with the G-7 leaders, a tightly scheduled discussion where Biden called on one leader at a time to give a statement. Sitting in the Oval Office, Biden at one point forgot to unmute his mic, then lost his train of thought and began mumbling, according to an official on the call. He appeared to lose the order of which leader should speak next, and then tried to end the call without calling on Macron. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened to remind him, and Macron was given his turn.
National security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday Biden “rallied a global coalition to respond to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine” and that “the results speak for themselves. How Joe Biden ran a Zoom call is a ludicrous anecdote.”
By the summer of 2022, some in Washington were beginning to comment on the president’s condition, privately and—on rare occasion—publicly. Some administration officials were noticing that Biden struggled to bring energy at White House events, particularly those later in the day, and often appeared to have difficulty reading the teleprompter. In September 2022, Biden called out for a deceased congresswoman during a public event, asking, “Where’s Jackie?” The lawmaker, Rep. Jackie Walorski (R., Ind.), had died the previous month in a car accident.
That fall, a former senior cabinet agency official began telling associates that Biden shouldn’t seek re-election, saying he wouldn’t be an effective candidate.
In November 2022, Democrats braced themselves for what some had predicted would be a red wave in the midterm elections, typically a challenging moment for the incumbent president’s party. Democrats’ performance far surpassed expectations: Republicans won an exceedingly narrow majority in the House, and Democrats expanded their majority in the Senate.
At that point, some lawmakers and donors close to the president expected him to announce he wouldn’t seek a second term. He had signaled during the 2020 campaign that he would be a transitional candidate, providing a bridge to a new era. But the success in the midterms had escalated Biden’s desire to run again, advisers said. Many longtime donors were surprised when it began to become clear he would do it.
After the midterms, Rep. Adam Smith (D., Wash.) said he approached some senators and people in the White House with a question: “Shouldn’t somebody run against Joe?” Smith also talked to one person who could conceivably be a Democratic presidential candidate, who was adamant: “We’ve got to stick with Joe.” The potential candidate argued that a “messy primary fight” would be pointless and told Smith: “We did it in 2020 with this coalition. It’s too risky to try to build a new coalition, or to build that coalition around a different candidate,” the congressman recalled.
On April 25, 2023, Biden announced he would run for re-election, declaring: “Let’s finish the job.” Days earlier, an NBC News survey had found that 70% of voters—including more than half of Democrats—didn’t want another Biden candidacy, with about half of that group citing his age as a major reason.
Biden, asked about his age that month, said: “I can’t even say the number—it doesn’t register with me.” He added that voters are “going to judge whether or not I have it or don’t have it. I respect them taking a hard look at it.”
Phillips, the Minnesota congressman, called other Democrats to see whether they would consider a run. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker didn’t take his calls, he said. Representatives for the governors didn’t respond to requests for comment. Phillips himself announced in October he would seek the nomination.

Party barriers
Building a campaign, however, was another matter. Many Democratic operatives, Phillips said, had been warned they would be blackballed if they worked with anyone other than Biden and said they couldn’t do it.
The Democratic National Committee, along with state Democratic parties, also erected barriers to other candidates. At Biden’s urging, the DNC moved the South Carolina primary up to first-in-the-nation status, which Biden cast as giving Black voters a louder voice. Some Democrats viewed the move as putting a thumb on the scales for Biden since that was the first nominating contest he won in 2020.
In Florida, the state party voted to submit only Biden’s name to election officials. Wisconsin’s state party also put forward only Biden’s name before the state Supreme Court intervened.
Many Democrats were heavily critical of anyone who suggested alternatives to Biden. At a Center for American Progress event, Democratic Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota—the co-chair of the DNC’s rules committee—dismissed concerns about Biden’s age. “Everybody who says, ‘I wish he was younger.’ I wish I was skinnier!” he said. “There’s a responsibility for us not to buy into that.”
Top allies of the president, meanwhile, were encouraging the president to “own” his age and turn it into an asset. Movie mogul and campaign co-chair Jeffrey Katzenberg pointed to other icons born in the 1940s and still working today, such as Harrison Ford.
In July 2023, the White House’s management of Biden’s schedule drew the attention of European officials during a five-day swing that included a NATO summit in Lithuania and a Nordic summit in Finland. Some of Biden’s private meetings and other elements of his schedule were removed or their length was reduced, two European diplomats said, prompting NATO diplomats to talk among themselves about how Biden’s exposure was closely managed by his team. Biden’s team told Nordic officials and diplomats that this was a tiring trans-Atlantic trip and the president was old, said one of the European diplomats.
“Now, looking back, it was noticeable last year,” the diplomat said.
Sullivan, the national security adviser, said on Sunday: “Give me a break,” pointing to Biden’s announcement of bilateral security agreements for Ukraine at the summit.
By the end of 2023, murmurs among Democrats about Biden’s condition had begun to grow. Donors who had met with Biden out West over the summer said the president appeared confused and disoriented at times. At a fundraiser in the fall, Biden told the same anecdote twice. At a White House Christmas party, a number of lawmakers who attended came away concerned about what they saw as a deterioration in Biden’s health.
That winter, John Morgan, a prominent Democratic donor, asked the president’s brother, Frank Biden, about Joe Biden’s stiffened gait, which had become increasingly apparent to those who observed him. Frank Biden assured Morgan, a Florida lawyer, that his ambling walk was the result of nerve damage in his feet and suggested it wasn’t cause for concern.
Morgan, who backed Biden publicly even as other donors turned on him, said he took him at his word. But he added that it was hard to judge whether Biden had more serious acuity issues. “What we don’t know fully is what’s the real story, because we’re not with him day to day,” Morgan said. Frank Biden didn’t respond to a request for comment.

‘That did worry me’
In 2024, the problems appeared to accelerate.
Less than three weeks into the new year, top Democratic and Republican lawmakers met with Biden at the White House to discuss how to push a new tranche of aid to Ukraine through Congress. Biden spoke so softly that some people struggled to hear him; read from notes to make obvious points; paused for extended periods and sometimes closed his eyes for so long that some in the room wondered whether he had tuned out.
“He started looking like he was struggling more physically and mentally, probably by about the end of last year, to a degree greater than it had been before,” said Smith, the Washington congressman, in an interview, citing both the Jan. 17 meeting and the Christmas party. “That did worry me a little bit.”
Republicans who had met with Biden in the past saw the problems, too. “I did notice there was a cognitive decline,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R., Texas), who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee and attended the Jan. 17 meeting. “It was very apparent to me in terms of how he spoke, it was a very low pitch, hard to understand. He had to use his notes quite a bit.”
A single week in February dealt a major blow to the White House’s efforts to shut down discussion over the president’s health. At a campaign rally on Feb. 4, Biden referred to Macron, the French president, as François Mitterrand, a previous leader who died in 1996. At a fundraiser on Feb. 7, he mixed up former German chancellor Angela Merkel with former chancellor Helmut Kohl, who died in 2017.
Then on Feb. 8, special counsel Robert Hur released a report on Biden’s handling of classified materials in which he described the president as an “elderly man with a poor memory,” with “diminished faculties in advancing age.”
Hur had a unique vantage point. Outside of Biden’s core staff and family, he was the only person to the public’s knowledge who had spent such an extended period interviewing the president, spending five hours over two days in October asking Biden detailed questions.
Biden showed detailed recall of long past events, including hitting a target in Mongolia with a bow and arrow. At other moments, White House counsel Ed Siskel had to jump in to prompt him, including when he failed to find the words “fax machine.” About 15 minutes later, the president struggled to find the same word. “You see where there’s a printer and there’s a—” Biden said. “What do they call it? The machine that—”
“Fax machine,” Siskel again reminded the president.
In fiery remarks at the White House after the report’s release, Biden pushed back at Hur’s characterization. “My memory is fine. Take a look at what I’ve done since I’ve become president,” he said. But during the speech, he made yet another flub: He referred to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi as “the president of Mexico.”
In March, Biden assuaged concerns about his age when he delivered to Congress a feisty, hour-and-seven-minute State of the Union address, where he went off script to parry Republican criticism of his agenda. Mingling on the floor following his speech, Democrats congratulated Biden. “Nobody’s going to talk about cognitive impairment now,” New York Rep. Jerrold Nadler crowed.
Days later, European officials met with Biden at the White House for a late afternoon discussion focused on NATO security concerns and the Ukraine war. The president seemed reasonably sharp for the first half of the meeting, according to a person present.
But as the conversation wore on, the president began to flag noticeably, speaking slowly and at times in a way that was difficult to hear. Officials who had met him in previous years noted a sharp deterioration. The officials left the meeting saddened, feeling the president reminded some of their own parents as they aged, the person said.
Sullivan, on Sunday, said he was unaware of the events as described.

White House denials
Meanwhile, the White House was continuing to vigorously deny that there was a problem, dismissing concerns about Biden’s age as a Republican talking point. The Journal interviewed half a dozen senior administration officials this spring after learning that Biden had shown concerning signs of aging during private meetings. The officials uniformly denied that Biden’s acuity had declined and insisted he was as sharp as ever.
Those conversations included an hour-long interview in May with a senior administration official who, while sitting in a West Wing office, disputed the notion that Biden’s health was a problem and insisted that Biden was working harder than the staff.
When supporters expressed concerns to the campaign about Biden’s slip-ups, the campaign responded by pointing out Trump was only a few years younger than Biden. Some donors simply justified the president’s mistakes in other ways—saying they told themselves, “The speech didn’t start until 9 p.m. and the guy’s been running around all day,” or, “Who among us hasn’t forgotten a name or two at a big party?”
Further dampening their worries was the fiery support from other big-name allies of the president, chief among them Katzenberg. When would-be donors told the former Hollywood studio chief they couldn’t support such an unpopular and frail candidate, they said the mogul often responded by saying he didn’t want to explain to his grandchildren that he had sat idly by while Trump regained power.
In early June, Biden traveled to France to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day, where he struggled at times. That was when the Journal reported that Biden’s conduct in private meetings had alarmed other participants, both Democrats and Republicans, who said he showed signs of slipping.
The White House attacked the Journal’s reporting, describing the claims as false and politically motivated. Administration officials had worked behind the scenes for weeks to ensure Democrats gave the Journal favorable descriptions of the president, and lobbied aggressively to prevent the Journal from reporting material that showed the president’s acuity had declined.
Several congressional Democrats, including Pelosi, strongly defended Biden as sharp. Bates, the White House spokesman, used his official X account to attack the reporting, posting roughly 80 times and privately reaching out to journalists at other news outlets to criticize it.
Later that month, at the G-7 summit in Italy, senior diplomats privately said the president had deteriorated noticeably since the previous summer. One senior European diplomat said U.S. administration officials in private discussions denied there was any problem.
Biden left the G-7 early to fly to California for a fundraiser hosted by actor George Clooney and other Hollywood stars. Appearing alongside Obama, Biden appeared at times to struggle through answers or keep up with the conversation.
Biden then flew to Camp David, where he spent nearly a week preparing for the debate. People with knowledge of the preparations said the president made several slip-ups during practice sessions. Advisers didn’t think the errors were unusual in part because they had grown accustomed to the president’s verbal mistakes. His performance was never as bad as it was on debate night.
On June 27, the Biden campaign took a fatal blow. During the debate, the president repeatedly lost his train of thought, confusing his words and staring with his mouth agape. The Biden campaign quickly put out the word that the president had a cold.
The next day, Biden sought to do damage control. At a rally in Raleigh, N.C., Biden delivered a more forceful performance using a teleprompter, where he acknowledged, “I know I’m not a young man, to state the obvious.” At a fundraiser in New York later that day, first lady Jill Biden echoed the president’s comments and said that after the debate Biden told her, “You know, Jill, I don’t know what happened. I didn’t feel that great.”
The appearance did little to calm Democrats’ concerns, as top White House and Biden campaign officials held one-on-one calls with key officials, donors and supporters. Democratic lawmakers began to discuss whether it made sense to keep Biden on the ticket.
Some of his allies privately groused that they hadn’t heard from the president. Biden waited nearly a week to call Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.
The day after the debate, at a 50th birthday party for sports and entertainment executive Casey Wasserman in a hangar at Santa Monica Airport, politicians including former president Bill Clinton, Pelosi and others mingled with Hollywood executives. The debate was a constant topic of conversation, and partygoers wondered why Clinton, one of the Democrats’ best communicators and a stalwart Biden defender, wasn’t on the road stumping for the president.
“I’m waiting to hear from them,” Clinton told other guests. A Clinton spokesman declined to comment.
The White House said Biden “engaged with a wide range of governors, members of Congress, former officials and other leaders.”
Biden’s allies were enraged by the emerging mutiny. “Suck it up, buttercup,” said former New Hampshire Democratic Party chair Kathy Sullivan. “You’re either with us, or you’re with Trump.”
Trump, meanwhile, at a rally in Chesapeake, Va., said voters should consider whether “America can survive four more years” with Biden in the White House. “In fact, I don’t know if we can really survive five more months.”
A fundraiser that weekend in East Hampton further raised alarm bells among donors. Biden was taking questions from the group of around a dozen people when he invited senior adviser Mike Donilon to supply some additional information. Donilon began answering donors’ questions after that, which struck some in the room as unusual, according to people familiar with the matter.
One donor said that if the campaign believed Biden remaining atop the ticket was the right way to go, they should share data to make that case, the people said. Donilon said Biden was polling better against Trump than any other Democratic candidate, even though many public and private polls didn’t show that to be the case.
Other top Democrats continued to assure worried donors and lawmakers that everything was fine. Obama went on X to defend Biden.
On July 1, Doggett, the Texas congressman, reached out to the White House and asked to speak to the president, telling them he believed it was important that Biden step aside. He said he never got a call back. The next day, he became the first sitting Democratic lawmaker to call for Biden to withdraw.
As the president began to ramp up his public appearances, he grew visibly frustrated by the questions about his mental acuity. Yet he acknowledged the toll of the campaign. In a meeting with Democratic governors, he said he needed to get more sleep and wanted to avoid events beginning after 8 p.m.
On Capitol Hill, unrest continued to grow. Smith, the congressman from Washington, called White House aides to inform them that he planned to call for Biden to step aside. White House officials begged him to wait until they had had a chance to talk, he said. “And then while they were out there telling everyone to keep it private, they were out there publicly saying there can’t be a problem because no one is saying anything,” he said.
He described the strategy as, “ignore the problem, nothing to see here, and run out the clock.”

Smith called for Biden to withdraw on July 8.
On July 10, the wall of support for the president began to crumble. As NATO leaders arrived in Washington for a summit, anxieties over Biden’s age dominated the talk in the hallways and cocktail hours—eclipsing even the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, officials present said.
Throughout the first day of the summit, the president seemed to hold his own, at first allaying any concerns. At the summit, Biden shook hands with all the leaders and greeted them for more than an hour. He was energetic throughout a three-hour meeting, sounded confident and spoke well. Biden, an official concluded, looked like he would get through the high-wire event unscathed.
But in the final few minutes of the last day, when Biden referred to Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky as “President Putin,” an audible gasp swept through the crowd. World leaders and top officials from America’s close allies walked out into the hallway rueful that several extensively choreographed days meant to demonstrate NATO’s resolve in the face of Russia had instead, at the very end, been overshadowed by a gaffe—one that seemed to confirm the age anxieties the president’s supporters hoped the event would dispel.
Then, in a news conference closing out the summit, he referred to his vice president as “Vice President Trump.” Sullivan, the national security adviser, pressed his hand to his face. Secretary of State Antony Blinken flinched.
Biden demonstrated deep knowledge of foreign policy during the nearly hourlong press conference and spoke more clearly than at the debate. But the damage had been done. After the news conference ended, two more lawmakers called on him to withdraw from the race.
The White House pointed to foreign leaders’ praise for Biden during the summit.
Pelosi, who had publicly signaled Biden should reconsider his decision to stay in the race, was also working behind the scenes to try to reach a resolution, according to a Democratic lawmaker and people familiar with the conversations.
On July 13, Biden grew testy with lawmakers on a call with the New Democrats coalition, pushing back sharply when Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D., Pa.) said the president was losing Pennsylvania by 4 to 5 percentage points.
Schumer drove to Rehoboth, Del., that day to meet with Biden in person. In a 35-minute one-on-one meeting, he appealed to Biden’s legacy, the future of the country and the impact on Congress and the Supreme Court, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting. “I do not expect you to walk out of this room making a decision,” Schumer told Biden at the conclusion of the meeting, “but I hope you will think about what I said.”
“I need another week,” Biden said. They hugged.
That night, the debate over whether he should stay in the race was upended in the course of seconds. At a campaign rally in Butler, Pa., a bullet whizzed toward Trump’s head as he recited his stump speech about curbing illegal immigration. Trump turned his head to look at a video screen displaying a chart, before putting his hand to his right ear and diving to the floor.
The failed assassination attempt, which killed one Trump supporter in the crowd, immediately turned the page, focusing attention instead on the bitter political divisions cleaving the nation. Biden declared the assassination attempt “contrary to everything we stand for as a nation.”
While the historic moment quieted the debate, it didn’t do away with it. In his Oval Office address, the president repeatedly vowed that the country would resolve differences at the “battle box”—instead of saying ballot box.
Within days, the calls for Biden to withdraw had resumed.
As the Republican convention unfolded, a display of unity for the GOP where some in the audience wore bandages on their ear in support of the president’s injury, top congressional leaders successfully pushed to delay a procedural vote on Biden’s nomination.
Donors began an all-out revolt, telling Schumer and Jeffries that it would get increasingly difficult to raise money not just for the presidential race, but also for congressional campaigns, if Biden didn’t drop out. Katzenberg met with Biden to warn him that fundraising for his race was weakening.

And then the president got Covid.
The White House announcement on Wednesday that he had tested positive forced him to cut short a Nevada campaign stop. His swift return to Delaware did little to help the growing furor. He appeared to struggle on the stairs to Air Force One and entering the car at the airport. The White House said his symptoms included “general malaise.”
As the weekend unfolded, the White House continued to testily deny that any discussions were under way over Biden withdrawing from the race. Biden, still recovering from Covid, said he planned to return to the campaign trail the following week.
On Sunday, at 1:46 p.m., the announcement came on social media.
“While it has been my intention to seek reelection,” the president wrote in a seven-paragraph letter, “I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down.”
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:06 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 7:34 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:20 am
a fan wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:01 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:46 am Your binary logic fails you, once again.
Nope.

Show me the posts where you guys throw stones at Trump.

I'll wait.
I'll cast the first stone in my own insignificant way. I never voted for him the first 2 times and I'm not voting for him in November. The man is a rat faced weasel. This forum proves every day that folks prefer their own rat faced weasels. It's YOUR rat faced weasel that is the problem. :D
+1.
Harris is a "rat faced weasel"???
That is yet to be determined but she is clearly heading in the right direction. My wife made this observation last night when she glanced at the TV. My wife has less than zero interest in politics and politicians. Out of nowhere I hear her say...she looks like Michael Jackson. Son of a bumper if she wasn't right. The strait hair parted in the middle the resemblance is there no doubt.
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She certainly has brought out the racism, misogyny and insurrectionism buried in the GOP
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OCanada wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:09 am She certainly has brought out the racism, misogyny and insurrectionism buried in the GOP
Buried? More like on the banquet and buffet tables.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:40 am
OCanada wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:09 am She certainly has brought out the racism, misogyny and insurrectionism buried in the GOP
Buried? More like on the banquet and buffet tables.
She has also brought out of mothballs her failed mission at the southern border. After the euphoria fades and the balloons have been dropped I would expect the Republicans to drill deep into that cavity without the benefit of Novocaine. As of today it is and will become a political hot potato in the final race to November. She is going to get hammered on it mercilessly day after day. At face value a legitimate argument is that she wasn't up to the task. That is not the way to start your run for the highest office in the land. Having just left the starting gate trying to explain your failure probably isn't a huge issue with her base. Explaining her failure to those 25% of Independent voters may be more problematic. There are a plethora of other issues she will have to detail her positions to the American people.

How do you deal with Russia?
How do you deal with China?
How do you deal with Iran?
What do you do about the war in Ukraine?
What do you do about the war in Gaza?
How do you handle the turmoil in the ME

The list goes on and on. You can't come across as weak or wishy washy or you will be eaten alive by the bad actors of the world. She will be graduating from kindergarten into a crash course in quantum physics. The unknown is whether behind the big smile that she is up to the job. If elected she will tested early and often with zero room for bad decisions or indecisive decisions. On the world stage weakness or the sign of it is the kiss of death.
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I do think you are being a little harsh on her.

First, the VP role is hardly one in which the great decisions are, traditionally anyway, carried out and executed.

Second, you are right that the border business will haunt her candidacy. But it is pretty clear to most Americans that neither party wanted to fix anything about this most fixable problem. I think, with a magic wand, she could have been entirely up top the task; that isn't what the political parties and their competing footballs are about. In fact, the very people excoriating her for failure on the southern border will be the very people most suited, in our system of government, to have fixed some of the issues...and they didn't at the order of the obese Orange Moron. Fun!!

Third, she will "graduate" with the full backing of the government, economy and multifaceted power of the United States behind her. She is not shy; she is not weak; she has been a prosecutor, Attorney General and a Senator, and now has been the Vice President of the United States for 3 years. That's not a jump from "kindergarten" to the NFL. On the questions you list, much will depend -- as it does with every President in the post-WW2 era -- on the staff and Cabinet she would choose.

I know you won't vote for her; I get that and I'm not here to heckle you for it or try to change your mind. But I do think you and many others underestimate her brains and resolve. Should be a pretty interesting 105 days.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:38 pm The great thing about anonymous internet forums is that you can lie about who you're gonna vote for.
Oh everyone here knows they’re lying.

For the entirety of Trumps tenure ——four years—-these posters couldn’t manage the strength it takes to type a sentence or two of criticism…and we’re supposed to believe they’re not voting for Trump? Four years, not a word.

Yeah, right.
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old salt wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:23 am The Biden Presidency has been a Cheap Fake from the start. VP Kamala was an enabler of the Weekend at Bernie's Admin.
{lengthy WSJ reporting, compressed & posted for the edification of non-subscribers}
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/ ... t-c9fc46ef

How the Bet on an 81-Year-Old Joe Biden Turned Into an Epic Miscalculation
Voters thought the faltering president was too old, but allies looked the other way, advisers defended his abilities and the Democratic Party boxed out other candidates

By Rebecca Ballhaus, Siobhan Hughes, Annie Linskey, Andrew Restuccia and Erich Schwartzel, July 21, 2024

President Biden had just finished trying to persuade a group of congressional Democrats to pass a $1 trillion infrastructure bill when Nancy Pelosi, then the House speaker, took the microphone.
In 30 minutes of remarks on Capitol Hill, Biden had spoken disjointedly and failed to make a concrete ask of lawmakers, according to Democrats in the room. After he left, a visibly frustrated Pelosi told the group she would articulate what Biden had been trying to say, one lawmaker said.
“It was the first time I remember people pretty jarred by what they had seen,” recalled Rep. Dean Phillips (D., Minn.), who would go on to mount an unsuccessful primary challenge against the president.
That was October 2021. That month was the last time Biden met with the House Democratic caucus on the Hill regarding legislation.
Nearly three years later, concerns about the 81-year-old president’s age and mental acuity have put an abrupt cap on his half-century political career. They had grown from a murmur among allies, who said they believed—or hoped—they were catching the president on a bad day, to a deafening roar, as many of those same allies called on him to step aside in the wake of his disastrous June 27 debate performance.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN'S LETTER
On Sunday, Biden announced he was withdrawing from the presidential race, an unparalleled step that leaves Democrats without a nominee less than four months before Election Day. Biden endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris to take his place, but it remains to be seen if voters rally behind her.
How the Democratic Party came to the brink of nominating a candidate with an obvious flaw is a story of allies eager to look the other way, Biden advisers who worked to stamp out doubts about his vigor and a party apparatus that boxed out alternative candidates.
The result is an epic, yearslong miscalculation that has Democrats racing to mount an uncertain reboot of their campaign against former President Donald Trump, the Republican nominee who is fresh off a unifying party convention that was galvanized by an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate him on July 13.
The drawbacks of Biden’s age were clear to voters, with polls showing that nearly three-quarters of them last year deemed him too old to seek another term. Yet inside the party’s uppermost ranks, revelations about the toll aging has taken on the president seemed to catch many people by surprise in recent months.
“I am really concerned about what we were not told during these months,” said Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D., Texas) in an interview. “I remain concerned about that—that for whatever reasons, this overprotective, stage-managed kind of operation not only appears to have denied the American people broadly of an understanding of the president’s current situation, but also other elected officials.”
White House spokesman Andrew Bates said on Sunday, “President Biden has given over 50 interviews this year alone, recently held a one-hour, thorough press conference, done over 580 gaggles with the White House press corps in office, and travels the country speaking directly to the American people about his agenda for making their lives better.” He said Biden has built the most successful record in modern American history, and that the president “has always said that it is fair for reporters to ask about his age.”
Ron Klain, who attended the October 2021 meeting and was Biden’s chief of staff at the time, said the decision not to call for a vote at the time was a “brilliant” move by Biden that avoided strong-arming reluctant members of the Democratic caucus and that later paid dividends. Biden signed the infrastructure bill into law the next month, one of his biggest legislative achievements. Other Democrats in the room also said they were confused by how Biden handled the meeting.
This account is based on interviews with more than four dozen current and former administration officials, campaign aides, donors, lawmakers, congressional aides and foreign diplomats.

Limited contact
Many Democratic lawmakers said they were stunned by Biden’s condition in the debate in part because their contact with him has been so limited over the past three years. “We would see him on TV or at a signing ceremony, even something like the White House picnic this year—you begin to think, well maybe he’s a little bit off, but not enough to take much notice,” Doggett said.
Senior officials at cabinet agencies have privately complained for years that they didn’t have enough contact with the president and his senior team, who centralized power in the White House and directed much of the administration’s policy activity.
While it’s not unusual for cabinet members to want more access to the president than they get, some officials described Biden as unusually removed from the rest of his administration—or, as one former administration official put it, not engaged in the “hands-on business of governing.” Some cabinet secretaries see the president as infrequently as once a month.
Chris Lu, former White House cabinet secretary under former President Barack Obama, said in a statement provided by the White House that a monthly pace of meetings between the president and cabinet secretaries isn’t uncommon and that the cabinet typically interacts the most with senior White House staff.
For months before the debate, Biden’s advisers responded angrily to suggestions that Biden was deteriorating, telling critics in private conversations that their concerns were overblown and were playing into Republican critiques.
Trump, they pointed out, had plenty of mix-ups himself. The 78-year-old had boasted about polling showing him leading Obama, who isn’t running for office, had warned that the nation was on the brink of World War II and had otherwise behaved erratically during and after his presidency.
Several of Biden’s senior aides told people who expressed doubts that the president remained sharp behind the scenes and wasn’t showing signs of slipping.
That was the case when The Wall Street Journal interviewed senior White House aides and Democratic lawmakers this spring and asked whether the president’s acuity had declined. “I met with the president every day for two years and I still see him regularly, and I can tell you he is sharp and has good recall of events and facts and information,” Klain, the former chief of staff, told the Journal in April.
Bates, the White House spokesman, pointed to the president’s news conference this month as proof of his sharpness.
Helping shield the problem, people who have met with the president said, is that Biden has good days and bad days. Some people who were alarmed by his appearance in one meeting would be swiftly reassured when he was sharp and decisive in another.
As recently as this month, officials described him as energetic and clear-spoken in a three-hour meeting during the North Atlantic Treaty Organization summit. In the spring, he led multiple 30-minute calls addressing the collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, where officials were impressed by his detailed knowledge and command of the issues.
Others say they realize now that they had simply been looking the other way. One longtime donor recalled that on the last three occasions he saw the president, Biden had repeatedly lost his train of thought and interrupted his sentence with “whatever.” The donor didn’t think much of it at the time. “I was probably rationalizing,” he said. “Subconsciously, you’re like—OK, I don’t think I can deal with this reality. What choice do I have? Nobody else is running.”
When Biden entered the White House in 2021, on the heels of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, many government officials in the U.S. and abroad sighed with relief, eager for a less chaotic administration.
At first, Biden’s stumbles seemed like isolated incidents, such as when the president said the wrong country, or appeared confused, or fell three times walking up the stairs to Air Force One. Biden, after all, has described himself as a “gaffe machine.” People who know him said he has never been as effective an orator as Obama or others.
At the Group of Seven summit in England in June 2021, the first of Biden’s presidency, he repeatedly mixed up Syria and Libya at a news conference. The errors drew little attention as world leaders focused on celebrating Biden’s arrival. “It is great to have a U.S. president who’s part of the club,” said French President Emmanuel Macron after meeting with Biden.

Confused on G-7 call
In spring 2022, some European officials began to notice that something might be amiss. Biden was chairing an online video call on Ukraine with the G-7 leaders, a tightly scheduled discussion where Biden called on one leader at a time to give a statement. Sitting in the Oval Office, Biden at one point forgot to unmute his mic, then lost his train of thought and began mumbling, according to an official on the call. He appeared to lose the order of which leader should speak next, and then tried to end the call without calling on Macron. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened to remind him, and Macron was given his turn.
National security adviser Jake Sullivan said on Sunday Biden “rallied a global coalition to respond to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine” and that “the results speak for themselves. How Joe Biden ran a Zoom call is a ludicrous anecdote.”
By the summer of 2022, some in Washington were beginning to comment on the president’s condition, privately and—on rare occasion—publicly. Some administration officials were noticing that Biden struggled to bring energy at White House events, particularly those later in the day, and often appeared to have difficulty reading the teleprompter. In September 2022, Biden called out for a deceased congresswoman during a public event, asking, “Where’s Jackie?” The lawmaker, Rep. Jackie Walorski (R., Ind.), had died the previous month in a car accident.
That fall, a former senior cabinet agency official began telling associates that Biden shouldn’t seek re-election, saying he wouldn’t be an effective candidate.
In November 2022, Democrats braced themselves for what some had predicted would be a red wave in the midterm elections, typically a challenging moment for the incumbent president’s party. Democrats’ performance far surpassed expectations: Republicans won an exceedingly narrow majority in the House, and Democrats expanded their majority in the Senate.
At that point, some lawmakers and donors close to the president expected him to announce he wouldn’t seek a second term. He had signaled during the 2020 campaign that he would be a transitional candidate, providing a bridge to a new era. But the success in the midterms had escalated Biden’s desire to run again, advisers said. Many longtime donors were surprised when it began to become clear he would do it.
After the midterms, Rep. Adam Smith (D., Wash.) said he approached some senators and people in the White House with a question: “Shouldn’t somebody run against Joe?” Smith also talked to one person who could conceivably be a Democratic presidential candidate, who was adamant: “We’ve got to stick with Joe.” The potential candidate argued that a “messy primary fight” would be pointless and told Smith: “We did it in 2020 with this coalition. It’s too risky to try to build a new coalition, or to build that coalition around a different candidate,” the congressman recalled.
On April 25, 2023, Biden announced he would run for re-election, declaring: “Let’s finish the job.” Days earlier, an NBC News survey had found that 70% of voters—including more than half of Democrats—didn’t want another Biden candidacy, with about half of that group citing his age as a major reason.
Biden, asked about his age that month, said: “I can’t even say the number—it doesn’t register with me.” He added that voters are “going to judge whether or not I have it or don’t have it. I respect them taking a hard look at it.”
Phillips, the Minnesota congressman, called other Democrats to see whether they would consider a run. Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker didn’t take his calls, he said. Representatives for the governors didn’t respond to requests for comment. Phillips himself announced in October he would seek the nomination.

Party barriers
Building a campaign, however, was another matter. Many Democratic operatives, Phillips said, had been warned they would be blackballed if they worked with anyone other than Biden and said they couldn’t do it.
The Democratic National Committee, along with state Democratic parties, also erected barriers to other candidates. At Biden’s urging, the DNC moved the South Carolina primary up to first-in-the-nation status, which Biden cast as giving Black voters a louder voice. Some Democrats viewed the move as putting a thumb on the scales for Biden since that was the first nominating contest he won in 2020.
In Florida, the state party voted to submit only Biden’s name to election officials. Wisconsin’s state party also put forward only Biden’s name before the state Supreme Court intervened.
Many Democrats were heavily critical of anyone who suggested alternatives to Biden. At a Center for American Progress event, Democratic Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota—the co-chair of the DNC’s rules committee—dismissed concerns about Biden’s age. “Everybody who says, ‘I wish he was younger.’ I wish I was skinnier!” he said. “There’s a responsibility for us not to buy into that.”
Top allies of the president, meanwhile, were encouraging the president to “own” his age and turn it into an asset. Movie mogul and campaign co-chair Jeffrey Katzenberg pointed to other icons born in the 1940s and still working today, such as Harrison Ford.
In July 2023, the White House’s management of Biden’s schedule drew the attention of European officials during a five-day swing that included a NATO summit in Lithuania and a Nordic summit in Finland. Some of Biden’s private meetings and other elements of his schedule were removed or their length was reduced, two European diplomats said, prompting NATO diplomats to talk among themselves about how Biden’s exposure was closely managed by his team. Biden’s team told Nordic officials and diplomats that this was a tiring trans-Atlantic trip and the president was old, said one of the European diplomats.
“Now, looking back, it was noticeable last year,” the diplomat said.
Sullivan, the national security adviser, said on Sunday: “Give me a break,” pointing to Biden’s announcement of bilateral security agreements for Ukraine at the summit.
By the end of 2023, murmurs among Democrats about Biden’s condition had begun to grow. Donors who had met with Biden out West over the summer said the president appeared confused and disoriented at times. At a fundraiser in the fall, Biden told the same anecdote twice. At a White House Christmas party, a number of lawmakers who attended came away concerned about what they saw as a deterioration in Biden’s health.
That winter, John Morgan, a prominent Democratic donor, asked the president’s brother, Frank Biden, about Joe Biden’s stiffened gait, which had become increasingly apparent to those who observed him. Frank Biden assured Morgan, a Florida lawyer, that his ambling walk was the result of nerve damage in his feet and suggested it wasn’t cause for concern.
Morgan, who backed Biden publicly even as other donors turned on him, said he took him at his word. But he added that it was hard to judge whether Biden had more serious acuity issues. “What we don’t know fully is what’s the real story, because we’re not with him day to day,” Morgan said. Frank Biden didn’t respond to a request for comment.

‘That did worry me’
In 2024, the problems appeared to accelerate.
Less than three weeks into the new year, top Democratic and Republican lawmakers met with Biden at the White House to discuss how to push a new tranche of aid to Ukraine through Congress. Biden spoke so softly that some people struggled to hear him; read from notes to make obvious points; paused for extended periods and sometimes closed his eyes for so long that some in the room wondered whether he had tuned out.
“He started looking like he was struggling more physically and mentally, probably by about the end of last year, to a degree greater than it had been before,” said Smith, the Washington congressman, in an interview, citing both the Jan. 17 meeting and the Christmas party. “That did worry me a little bit.”
Republicans who had met with Biden in the past saw the problems, too. “I did notice there was a cognitive decline,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R., Texas), who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee and attended the Jan. 17 meeting. “It was very apparent to me in terms of how he spoke, it was a very low pitch, hard to understand. He had to use his notes quite a bit.”
A single week in February dealt a major blow to the White House’s efforts to shut down discussion over the president’s health. At a campaign rally on Feb. 4, Biden referred to Macron, the French president, as François Mitterrand, a previous leader who died in 1996. At a fundraiser on Feb. 7, he mixed up former German chancellor Angela Merkel with former chancellor Helmut Kohl, who died in 2017.
Then on Feb. 8, special counsel Robert Hur released a report on Biden’s handling of classified materials in which he described the president as an “elderly man with a poor memory,” with “diminished faculties in advancing age.”
Hur had a unique vantage point. Outside of Biden’s core staff and family, he was the only person to the public’s knowledge who had spent such an extended period interviewing the president, spending five hours over two days in October asking Biden detailed questions.
Biden showed detailed recall of long past events, including hitting a target in Mongolia with a bow and arrow. At other moments, White House counsel Ed Siskel had to jump in to prompt him, including when he failed to find the words “fax machine.” About 15 minutes later, the president struggled to find the same word. “You see where there’s a printer and there’s a—” Biden said. “What do they call it? The machine that—”
“Fax machine,” Siskel again reminded the president.
In fiery remarks at the White House after the report’s release, Biden pushed back at Hur’s characterization. “My memory is fine. Take a look at what I’ve done since I’ve become president,” he said. But during the speech, he made yet another flub: He referred to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi as “the president of Mexico.”
In March, Biden assuaged concerns about his age when he delivered to Congress a feisty, hour-and-seven-minute State of the Union address, where he went off script to parry Republican criticism of his agenda. Mingling on the floor following his speech, Democrats congratulated Biden. “Nobody’s going to talk about cognitive impairment now,” New York Rep. Jerrold Nadler crowed.
Days later, European officials met with Biden at the White House for a late afternoon discussion focused on NATO security concerns and the Ukraine war. The president seemed reasonably sharp for the first half of the meeting, according to a person present.
But as the conversation wore on, the president began to flag noticeably, speaking slowly and at times in a way that was difficult to hear. Officials who had met him in previous years noted a sharp deterioration. The officials left the meeting saddened, feeling the president reminded some of their own parents as they aged, the person said.
Sullivan, on Sunday, said he was unaware of the events as described.

White House denials
Meanwhile, the White House was continuing to vigorously deny that there was a problem, dismissing concerns about Biden’s age as a Republican talking point. The Journal interviewed half a dozen senior administration officials this spring after learning that Biden had shown concerning signs of aging during private meetings. The officials uniformly denied that Biden’s acuity had declined and insisted he was as sharp as ever.
Those conversations included an hour-long interview in May with a senior administration official who, while sitting in a West Wing office, disputed the notion that Biden’s health was a problem and insisted that Biden was working harder than the staff.
When supporters expressed concerns to the campaign about Biden’s slip-ups, the campaign responded by pointing out Trump was only a few years younger than Biden. Some donors simply justified the president’s mistakes in other ways—saying they told themselves, “The speech didn’t start until 9 p.m. and the guy’s been running around all day,” or, “Who among us hasn’t forgotten a name or two at a big party?”
Further dampening their worries was the fiery support from other big-name allies of the president, chief among them Katzenberg. When would-be donors told the former Hollywood studio chief they couldn’t support such an unpopular and frail candidate, they said the mogul often responded by saying he didn’t want to explain to his grandchildren that he had sat idly by while Trump regained power.
In early June, Biden traveled to France to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day, where he struggled at times. That was when the Journal reported that Biden’s conduct in private meetings had alarmed other participants, both Democrats and Republicans, who said he showed signs of slipping.
The White House attacked the Journal’s reporting, describing the claims as false and politically motivated. Administration officials had worked behind the scenes for weeks to ensure Democrats gave the Journal favorable descriptions of the president, and lobbied aggressively to prevent the Journal from reporting material that showed the president’s acuity had declined.
Several congressional Democrats, including Pelosi, strongly defended Biden as sharp. Bates, the White House spokesman, used his official X account to attack the reporting, posting roughly 80 times and privately reaching out to journalists at other news outlets to criticize it.
Later that month, at the G-7 summit in Italy, senior diplomats privately said the president had deteriorated noticeably since the previous summer. One senior European diplomat said U.S. administration officials in private discussions denied there was any problem.
Biden left the G-7 early to fly to California for a fundraiser hosted by actor George Clooney and other Hollywood stars. Appearing alongside Obama, Biden appeared at times to struggle through answers or keep up with the conversation.
Biden then flew to Camp David, where he spent nearly a week preparing for the debate. People with knowledge of the preparations said the president made several slip-ups during practice sessions. Advisers didn’t think the errors were unusual in part because they had grown accustomed to the president’s verbal mistakes. His performance was never as bad as it was on debate night.
On June 27, the Biden campaign took a fatal blow. During the debate, the president repeatedly lost his train of thought, confusing his words and staring with his mouth agape. The Biden campaign quickly put out the word that the president had a cold.
The next day, Biden sought to do damage control. At a rally in Raleigh, N.C., Biden delivered a more forceful performance using a teleprompter, where he acknowledged, “I know I’m not a young man, to state the obvious.” At a fundraiser in New York later that day, first lady Jill Biden echoed the president’s comments and said that after the debate Biden told her, “You know, Jill, I don’t know what happened. I didn’t feel that great.”
The appearance did little to calm Democrats’ concerns, as top White House and Biden campaign officials held one-on-one calls with key officials, donors and supporters. Democratic lawmakers began to discuss whether it made sense to keep Biden on the ticket.
Some of his allies privately groused that they hadn’t heard from the president. Biden waited nearly a week to call Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.
The day after the debate, at a 50th birthday party for sports and entertainment executive Casey Wasserman in a hangar at Santa Monica Airport, politicians including former president Bill Clinton, Pelosi and others mingled with Hollywood executives. The debate was a constant topic of conversation, and partygoers wondered why Clinton, one of the Democrats’ best communicators and a stalwart Biden defender, wasn’t on the road stumping for the president.
“I’m waiting to hear from them,” Clinton told other guests. A Clinton spokesman declined to comment.
The White House said Biden “engaged with a wide range of governors, members of Congress, former officials and other leaders.”
Biden’s allies were enraged by the emerging mutiny. “Suck it up, buttercup,” said former New Hampshire Democratic Party chair Kathy Sullivan. “You’re either with us, or you’re with Trump.”
Trump, meanwhile, at a rally in Chesapeake, Va., said voters should consider whether “America can survive four more years” with Biden in the White House. “In fact, I don’t know if we can really survive five more months.”
A fundraiser that weekend in East Hampton further raised alarm bells among donors. Biden was taking questions from the group of around a dozen people when he invited senior adviser Mike Donilon to supply some additional information. Donilon began answering donors’ questions after that, which struck some in the room as unusual, according to people familiar with the matter.
One donor said that if the campaign believed Biden remaining atop the ticket was the right way to go, they should share data to make that case, the people said. Donilon said Biden was polling better against Trump than any other Democratic candidate, even though many public and private polls didn’t show that to be the case.
Other top Democrats continued to assure worried donors and lawmakers that everything was fine. Obama went on X to defend Biden.
On July 1, Doggett, the Texas congressman, reached out to the White House and asked to speak to the president, telling them he believed it was important that Biden step aside. He said he never got a call back. The next day, he became the first sitting Democratic lawmaker to call for Biden to withdraw.
As the president began to ramp up his public appearances, he grew visibly frustrated by the questions about his mental acuity. Yet he acknowledged the toll of the campaign. In a meeting with Democratic governors, he said he needed to get more sleep and wanted to avoid events beginning after 8 p.m.
On Capitol Hill, unrest continued to grow. Smith, the congressman from Washington, called White House aides to inform them that he planned to call for Biden to step aside. White House officials begged him to wait until they had had a chance to talk, he said. “And then while they were out there telling everyone to keep it private, they were out there publicly saying there can’t be a problem because no one is saying anything,” he said.
He described the strategy as, “ignore the problem, nothing to see here, and run out the clock.”

Smith called for Biden to withdraw on July 8.
On July 10, the wall of support for the president began to crumble. As NATO leaders arrived in Washington for a summit, anxieties over Biden’s age dominated the talk in the hallways and cocktail hours—eclipsing even the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, officials present said.
Throughout the first day of the summit, the president seemed to hold his own, at first allaying any concerns. At the summit, Biden shook hands with all the leaders and greeted them for more than an hour. He was energetic throughout a three-hour meeting, sounded confident and spoke well. Biden, an official concluded, looked like he would get through the high-wire event unscathed.
But in the final few minutes of the last day, when Biden referred to Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky as “President Putin,” an audible gasp swept through the crowd. World leaders and top officials from America’s close allies walked out into the hallway rueful that several extensively choreographed days meant to demonstrate NATO’s resolve in the face of Russia had instead, at the very end, been overshadowed by a gaffe—one that seemed to confirm the age anxieties the president’s supporters hoped the event would dispel.
Then, in a news conference closing out the summit, he referred to his vice president as “Vice President Trump.” Sullivan, the national security adviser, pressed his hand to his face. Secretary of State Antony Blinken flinched.
Biden demonstrated deep knowledge of foreign policy during the nearly hourlong press conference and spoke more clearly than at the debate. But the damage had been done. After the news conference ended, two more lawmakers called on him to withdraw from the race.
The White House pointed to foreign leaders’ praise for Biden during the summit.
Pelosi, who had publicly signaled Biden should reconsider his decision to stay in the race, was also working behind the scenes to try to reach a resolution, according to a Democratic lawmaker and people familiar with the conversations.
On July 13, Biden grew testy with lawmakers on a call with the New Democrats coalition, pushing back sharply when Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D., Pa.) said the president was losing Pennsylvania by 4 to 5 percentage points.
Schumer drove to Rehoboth, Del., that day to meet with Biden in person. In a 35-minute one-on-one meeting, he appealed to Biden’s legacy, the future of the country and the impact on Congress and the Supreme Court, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting. “I do not expect you to walk out of this room making a decision,” Schumer told Biden at the conclusion of the meeting, “but I hope you will think about what I said.”
“I need another week,” Biden said. They hugged.
That night, the debate over whether he should stay in the race was upended in the course of seconds. At a campaign rally in Butler, Pa., a bullet whizzed toward Trump’s head as he recited his stump speech about curbing illegal immigration. Trump turned his head to look at a video screen displaying a chart, before putting his hand to his right ear and diving to the floor.
The failed assassination attempt, which killed one Trump supporter in the crowd, immediately turned the page, focusing attention instead on the bitter political divisions cleaving the nation. Biden declared the assassination attempt “contrary to everything we stand for as a nation.”
While the historic moment quieted the debate, it didn’t do away with it. In his Oval Office address, the president repeatedly vowed that the country would resolve differences at the “battle box”—instead of saying ballot box.
Within days, the calls for Biden to withdraw had resumed.
As the Republican convention unfolded, a display of unity for the GOP where some in the audience wore bandages on their ear in support of the president’s injury, top congressional leaders successfully pushed to delay a procedural vote on Biden’s nomination.
Donors began an all-out revolt, telling Schumer and Jeffries that it would get increasingly difficult to raise money not just for the presidential race, but also for congressional campaigns, if Biden didn’t drop out. Katzenberg met with Biden to warn him that fundraising for his race was weakening.

And then the president got Covid.
The White House announcement on Wednesday that he had tested positive forced him to cut short a Nevada campaign stop. His swift return to Delaware did little to help the growing furor. He appeared to struggle on the stairs to Air Force One and entering the car at the airport. The White House said his symptoms included “general malaise.”
As the weekend unfolded, the White House continued to testily deny that any discussions were under way over Biden withdrawing from the race. Biden, still recovering from Covid, said he planned to return to the campaign trail the following week.
On Sunday, at 1:46 p.m., the announcement came on social media.
“While it has been my intention to seek reelection,” the president wrote in a seven-paragraph letter, “I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down.”
To defend Trump ever and call someone else a “cheap fake”…
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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ggait wrote: Reagan publicly disclosed he had Alzheimers 5.5 years after he was out of office. So it is pretty likely he actually had Alzheimers while sitting in the Oval.

Reports of Biden's demise have been greatly exaggerated by the MAGAs. Despite his impending doom, he made it through the primaries and to the convention, the debates, election, inauguration day, first 100 days. Seems to be doing pretty good with his Secret Service hardened Peleton.

And he is surrounded by a team of experienced, qualified and competent pros. Not a bunch of randos like Jared, Ivanka, Rudy and Omorasa. So Joe can probably be quite effective even if he's knocking off early some days. I think Kamala will be stuck in her job for a long time.

But the MAGAs will of course keep predicting how Joe is falling apart. Recall that Hillary was near death too. She, like Joe, seems to be doing fine years later.

Boycott stupid.
Swing and a miss.
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Re: ~46~ Lame Duck Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~

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kramerica.inc wrote:
seacoaster wrote:
kramerica.inc wrote:
seacoaster wrote:
kramerica.inc wrote: Biden doing his best Weekend at Bernies impression: “Jobs are the key to defeating climate change and Kamelama is on it.”

He was already propped up on the podium. Now all they need to get him is a sweet pair of shades.

:lol:
Thought he did a good job. But you guys persist in pushing the Fox/DJT, Jr. narrative. It's telling.
Who's being indoctrinated? I think it's telling that you think I'm pushing a narrative.

I am literally completely disconnected from Fox and DJT. And CNN and MSNBC. I removed all political news channels from my Youtube tv lineup.

Nothing but the main streams and BBC.

And simple observation.
I think your suggestion that you are making "a simple observation" is baloney. You've been pushing this "Joe is compromised, too old," etc. for ages now, and from the evidence on the ground it appears to be complete bullsh*t. It is nearly always based on a word or name fumble, which, in the larger picture of what his Administration is doing and trying to do, and of what he is saying and trying to say, totally immaterial.

The reality, if you're not a government-educated dog walker hooked on VDH, is that his Administration has done a nice job in most aspects of leadership in these first 100 days, in which job one was counteracting the ill effects of the prior administration's historic failure to manage the pandemic. Biden isn't sneaking around; his agenda is out in the open. And last night he laid much of it out. Democracy is, I am sure you've noticed, in trouble and under enormous pressure worldwide, even here in the United States, where a significant percentage of the public has been hoodwinked by the former President and his toadies into believing the election was illegitimate. Biden is trying, however imperfectly, to restore confidence in government's ability to meet the needs of an enormous and diverse citizenry. There is much to critique and some to applaud. But you? Focused on "Kamelama."
I’ve been pushing the observation because it’s what I keep seeing. It’s obvious to anyone who has seen Biden on tv or in person for the past 2 years.

Remember when everyone was talking about Ronnie Reagan mid-term floundering his way through his responses, fumbling with his notes, lost for words? Looking and SOUNDING tired and bewildered?

That’s exactly what many people are seeing. Biden, even more so than Reagan late in his second term, is being managed. Its fine and won’t change anything. But I can’t believe a smart guy like you doesn’t see it. Or you are so entrenched in your “side” that you can’t admit it.
PS- Seacoaster, I apologize for that fake "narrative" I was pushing.

:lol:
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Re: ~46~ Lame Duck Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~

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kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:32 pm
kramerica.inc wrote:
seacoaster wrote:
kramerica.inc wrote:
seacoaster wrote:
kramerica.inc wrote: Biden doing his best Weekend at Bernies impression: “Jobs are the key to defeating climate change and Kamelama is on it.”

He was already propped up on the podium. Now all they need to get him is a sweet pair of shades.

:lol:
Thought he did a good job. But you guys persist in pushing the Fox/DJT, Jr. narrative. It's telling.
Who's being indoctrinated? I think it's telling that you think I'm pushing a narrative.

I am literally completely disconnected from Fox and DJT. And CNN and MSNBC. I removed all political news channels from my Youtube tv lineup.

Nothing but the main streams and BBC.

And simple observation.
I think your suggestion that you are making "a simple observation" is baloney. You've been pushing this "Joe is compromised, too old," etc. for ages now, and from the evidence on the ground it appears to be complete bullsh*t. It is nearly always based on a word or name fumble, which, in the larger picture of what his Administration is doing and trying to do, and of what he is saying and trying to say, totally immaterial.

The reality, if you're not a government-educated dog walker hooked on VDH, is that his Administration has done a nice job in most aspects of leadership in these first 100 days, in which job one was counteracting the ill effects of the prior administration's historic failure to manage the pandemic. Biden isn't sneaking around; his agenda is out in the open. And last night he laid much of it out. Democracy is, I am sure you've noticed, in trouble and under enormous pressure worldwide, even here in the United States, where a significant percentage of the public has been hoodwinked by the former President and his toadies into believing the election was illegitimate. Biden is trying, however imperfectly, to restore confidence in government's ability to meet the needs of an enormous and diverse citizenry. There is much to critique and some to applaud. But you? Focused on "Kamelama."
I’ve been pushing the observation because it’s what I keep seeing. It’s obvious to anyone who has seen Biden on tv or in person for the past 2 years.

Remember when everyone was talking about Ronnie Reagan mid-term floundering his way through his responses, fumbling with his notes, lost for words? Looking and SOUNDING tired and bewildered?

That’s exactly what many people are seeing. Biden, even more so than Reagan late in his second term, is being managed. Its fine and won’t change anything. But I can’t believe a smart guy like you doesn’t see it. Or you are so entrenched in your “side” that you can’t admit it.
PS- Seacoaster, I apologize for that fake "narrative" I was pushing.

:lol:
Pretty clever, for you anyway. Yours was a fake narrative, at the time, and it largely still is.

I haven't been "seacoaster" since March 2022. Weird that your posts from today omit the date. This series must have been after the SOTU in January or February 2022.

So you unearth a two year and four month old post, when Biden was rolling along just fine, getting legislation through a intensely divided Congress, getting a Supreme Court appointment queued up, and managing an economy that was then and still is the envy of the industrialized world. Read what I posted; it is all completely true: "his Administration has done a nice job in most aspects of leadership in these first 100 days, in which job one was counteracting the ill effects of the prior administration's historic failure to manage the pandemic. Biden isn't sneaking around; his agenda is out in the open. And last night he laid much of it out. Democracy is, I am sure you've noticed, in trouble and under enormous pressure worldwide, even here in the United States, where a significant percentage of the public has been hoodwinked by the former President and his toadies into believing the election was illegitimate." And you focused on a couple of language gaffes.

You beat the drum because that is what your right-wing thought police have you do, and at the time of these posts, you were completely wrong, as you are most of the time. You toady to the Trump narrative by never speaking out against this charlatan, making you complicit in the deconstruction of the party you identify with. Stay busy peeling the gum off your shoes, and take your bitterness out on your spouse's liberal family instead of playing cutesy games here. You might try for a job with Comer; that's about your speed, sport.
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