Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?

[old salt]

WHISTLEBLOWER ALERT

Gym Jordan claims SS whistleblowers are telling him that SS short-shrifted Fatso coverage for NATO summit.

MUAHAAAAAAAA

What portion of that is funny?

Both the RNC & NATO Summit are National Security Special Events (NSSE), which draw security personnel from numerous Federal, state & local agencies, with the Secret Service in command. This is a busy time for the Secret Service.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/2024-nato-summ ... 20Columbia.
NSSE Event Notice: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Summit 2024
Tuesday, July 9 - Thursday, July 11, 2024

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... t%20(NSSE).
The Republican National Convention will take place in Milwaukee, WI from July 13, 2024, until July 19, 2024. The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 2024 Republican National Convention as a National Special Security Event (NSSE). NSSE's are significant events, which, due to their political, economic, social, or religious significance, may render them particularly attractive targets of terrorism or other criminal activity. The Federal government provides support, assistance, and resources to state and local governments to ensure public safety and security during NSSE's.

[Kismet]

Supreme arrogance.

Well, you oughta know all about arrogance. You display it rather regularly around here.

That's rich, coming from you. I don't question the faith or patriotism of others, just because they disagree with me. Can you say the same ?

Yup. I sleep like a baby...every night.

[youthathletics]

WHISTLEBLOWER ALERT

Gym Jordan claims SS whistleblowers are telling him that SS short-shrifted Fatso coverage for NATO summit.

MUAHAAAAAAAA

What portion of that is funny?

Both the RNC & NATO Summit are National Security Special Events (NSSE), which draw security personnel from numerous Federal, state & local agencies, with the Secret Service in command. This is a busy time for the Secret Service.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/2024-nato-summ ... 20Columbia.
NSSE Event Notice: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Summit 2024
Tuesday, July 9 - Thursday, July 11, 2024

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... t%20(NSSE).
The Republican National Convention will take place in Milwaukee, WI from July 13, 2024, until July 19, 2024. The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 2024 Republican National Convention as a National Special Security Event (NSSE). NSSE's are significant events, which, due to their political, economic, social, or religious significance, may render them particularly attractive targets of terrorism or other criminal activity. The Federal government provides support, assistance, and resources to state and local governments to ensure public safety and security during NSSE's.

The vast majority of those involved with the NATO Summit (outside of USSS staff) were relieved of their obligation by Thursday afternoon/evening, I have first hand knowledge of this.

[cradleandshoot]

WHISTLEBLOWER ALERT

Gym Jordan claims SS whistleblowers are telling him that SS short-shrifted Fatso coverage for NATO summit.

MUAHAAAAAAAA

What portion of that is funny?

Both the RNC & NATO Summit are National Security Special Events (NSSE), which draw security personnel from numerous Federal, state & local agencies, with the Secret Service in command. This is a busy time for the Secret Service.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/2024-nato-summ ... 20Columbia.
NSSE Event Notice: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Summit 2024
Tuesday, July 9 - Thursday, July 11, 2024

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... t%20(NSSE).
The Republican National Convention will take place in Milwaukee, WI from July 13, 2024, until July 19, 2024. The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 2024 Republican National Convention as a National Special Security Event (NSSE). NSSE's are significant events, which, due to their political, economic, social, or religious significance, may render them particularly attractive targets of terrorism or other criminal activity. The Federal government provides support, assistance, and resources to state and local governments to ensure public safety and security during NSSE's.

The vast majority of those involved with the NATO Summit (outside of USSS staff) were relieved of their obligation by Thursday afternoon/evening, I have first hand knowledge of this.

So the idea of reassigning these security personnel to a woefully understaffed and overwhelmed secret service never occured to the people in charge...imagine that!!

[old salt]

WHISTLEBLOWER ALERT

Gym Jordan claims SS whistleblowers are telling him that SS short-shrifted Fatso coverage for NATO summit.

MUAHAAAAAAAA

What portion of that is funny?

Both the RNC & NATO Summit are National Security Special Events (NSSE), which draw security personnel from numerous Federal, state & local agencies, with the Secret Service in command. This is a busy time for the Secret Service.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/2024-nato-summ ... 20Columbia.
NSSE Event Notice: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Summit 2024
Tuesday, July 9 - Thursday, July 11, 2024

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... t%20(NSSE).
The Republican National Convention will take place in Milwaukee, WI from July 13, 2024, until July 19, 2024. The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 2024 Republican National Convention as a National Special Security Event (NSSE). NSSE's are significant events, which, due to their political, economic, social, or religious significance, may render them particularly attractive targets of terrorism or other criminal activity. The Federal government provides support, assistance, and resources to state and local governments to ensure public safety and security during NSSE's.

The vast majority of those involved with the NATO Summit (outside of USSS staff) were relieved of their obligation by Thursday afternoon/evening, I have first hand knowledge of this.

So the idea of reassigning these security personnel to a woefully understaffed and overwhelmed secret service never occured to the people in charge...imagine that!!

The Secret Service personnel probably had to be in WI a few days before the RNC started.

We"ll probably learn that local police in PA could have been used to provide rooftop overwatch.
Didn't need Secret Service or snipers for that. Police officers with gun, binoc, & radio would suffice.
Just needed to be organized in planning stage & directed to do it.

[cradleandshoot]

WHISTLEBLOWER ALERT

Gym Jordan claims SS whistleblowers are telling him that SS short-shrifted Fatso coverage for NATO summit.

MUAHAAAAAAAA

What portion of that is funny?

Both the RNC & NATO Summit are National Security Special Events (NSSE), which draw security personnel from numerous Federal, state & local agencies, with the Secret Service in command. This is a busy time for the Secret Service.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/2024-nato-summ ... 20Columbia.
NSSE Event Notice: North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Summit 2024
Tuesday, July 9 - Thursday, July 11, 2024

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... t%20(NSSE).
The Republican National Convention will take place in Milwaukee, WI from July 13, 2024, until July 19, 2024. The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 2024 Republican National Convention as a National Special Security Event (NSSE). NSSE's are significant events, which, due to their political, economic, social, or religious significance, may render them particularly attractive targets of terrorism or other criminal activity. The Federal government provides support, assistance, and resources to state and local governments to ensure public safety and security during NSSE's.

The vast majority of those involved with the NATO Summit (outside of USSS staff) were relieved of their obligation by Thursday afternoon/evening, I have first hand knowledge of this.

So the idea of reassigning these security personnel to a woefully understaffed and overwhelmed secret service never occured to the people in charge...imagine that!!

They probably had to be in WI a few days before the RNC started.

No doubt, common sense is not a trait that is found very often with the wizards in charge in Washington DC. It looks like for the time being they are going to stick with the script.

[MDlaxfan76]

It depends on how you define a mass shooting. Was his objective to kill as many people as possible or to eliminate Trump ?

Re oversight of rooftops, there is a water tower with a railed walkway that could be used by a 2 man overwatch counter-sniper team with a clear view of numerous rooftops, including the one used by the shooter.

How do we actually know what his objective was??

I agree that it certainly seems most likely that he was targeting Trump first and foremost, but we don't know that for a fact...yet.

and we do know that he fired a flurry of bullets, at least 8 shots in rapid-fire, and was immediately stopped by a single shot (at least that's the reporting).

But it's definitely plausible that he intended to keep on firing as long as he could, killing as many as he could. The weapon he chose is much better for that purpose than would have been a sniper rifle, though both were capable of a straight assassination attempt.

So, unless we absolutely know he only intended to kill one person, sure fits mass shooting profile as well.

It doesn't matter. The legal definition of a mass shooting is 3 or more deaths.

Intention matters. If his intent was to kill as many as possible, he fits the mass shooter profile, just failed.

That doesn't mean he actually intended to kill more than Trump, if Trump, it is just is an open question.

Right now there appears to be more evidence of such intent than not.

[cradleandshoot]

It depends on how you define a mass shooting. Was his objective to kill as many people as possible or to eliminate Trump ?

Re oversight of rooftops, there is a water tower with a railed walkway that could be used by a 2 man overwatch counter-sniper team with a clear view of numerous rooftops, including the one used by the shooter.

How do we actually know what his objective was??

I agree that it certainly seems most likely that he was targeting Trump first and foremost, but we don't know that for a fact...yet.

and we do know that he fired a flurry of bullets, at least 8 shots in rapid-fire, and was immediately stopped by a single shot (at least that's the reporting).

But it's definitely plausible that he intended to keep on firing as long as he could, killing as many as he could. The weapon he chose is much better for that purpose than would have been a sniper rifle, though both were capable of a straight assassination attempt.

So, unless we absolutely know he only intended to kill one person, sure fits mass shooting profile as well.

It doesn't matter. The legal definition of a mass shooting is 3 or more deaths.

Intention matters. If his intent was to kill as many as possible, he fits the mass shooter profile, just failed.

That doesn't mean he actually intended to kill more than Trump, if Trump, it is just is an open question.

Right now there appears to be more evidence of such intent than not.

At this point it is very likely no one will ever know what his intentions were. I do believe he understood he would never come off that roof alive. The speculation about what his intentions were will go on and on ad nauseum.

[MDlaxfan76]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Quite the opposite.
This is a cult.

What is extremely arrogant is to claim that one knows God's intentions, beyond what is entirely personal in one's relationship with faith. This BS is cult behavior, a grift, a scam, preying on people who want to believe in something and are easily led by the scam artists.

It's gross.

[MDlaxfan76]

It depends on how you define a mass shooting. Was his objective to kill as many people as possible or to eliminate Trump ?

Re oversight of rooftops, there is a water tower with a railed walkway that could be used by a 2 man overwatch counter-sniper team with a clear view of numerous rooftops, including the one used by the shooter.

How do we actually know what his objective was??

I agree that it certainly seems most likely that he was targeting Trump first and foremost, but we don't know that for a fact...yet.

and we do know that he fired a flurry of bullets, at least 8 shots in rapid-fire, and was immediately stopped by a single shot (at least that's the reporting).

But it's definitely plausible that he intended to keep on firing as long as he could, killing as many as he could. The weapon he chose is much better for that purpose than would have been a sniper rifle, though both were capable of a straight assassination attempt.

So, unless we absolutely know he only intended to kill one person, sure fits mass shooting profile as well.

It doesn't matter. The legal definition of a mass shooting is 3 or more deaths.

Intention matters. If his intent was to kill as many as possible, he fits the mass shooter profile, just failed.

That doesn't mean he actually intended to kill more than Trump, if Trump, it is just is an open question.

Right now there appears to be more evidence of such intent than not.

At this point it is very likely no one will ever know what his intentions were. I do believe he understood he would never come off that roof alive. The speculation about what his intentions were will go on and on ad nauseum.

Yes, unless they find someone he confided to or something he wrote that makes it more clear. But search history of a mass killer and pictures of both Biden and Trump suggest he was looking to make a big splash on the way out...target of opportunity. Use of this weapon may be an indicator too, though might not.

Of course, that's why I said "appears to me more evidence of such intent than not" as opposed to "we know".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics ... index.html

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

It depends on how you define a mass shooting. Was his objective to kill as many people as possible or to eliminate Trump ?

Re oversight of rooftops, there is a water tower with a railed walkway that could be used by a 2 man overwatch counter-sniper team with a clear view of numerous rooftops, including the one used by the shooter.

How do we actually know what his objective was??

I agree that it certainly seems most likely that he was targeting Trump first and foremost, but we don't know that for a fact...yet.

and we do know that he fired a flurry of bullets, at least 8 shots in rapid-fire, and was immediately stopped by a single shot (at least that's the reporting).

But it's definitely plausible that he intended to keep on firing as long as he could, killing as many as he could. The weapon he chose is much better for that purpose than would have been a sniper rifle, though both were capable of a straight assassination attempt.

So, unless we absolutely know he only intended to kill one person, sure fits mass shooting profile as well.

It doesn't matter. The legal definition of a mass shooting is 3 or more deaths.

Intention matters. If his intent was to kill as many as possible, he fits the mass shooter profile, just failed.

That doesn't mean he actually intended to kill more than Trump, if Trump, it is just is an open question.

Right now there appears to be more evidence of such intent than not.

You guys have really been in the weeds on 1) rifle used, and 2) defining this shooting as mass or not. Edit to add: weeds are fun and inherent to places like this.

Regarding 2) If the intent was to perpetrate a mass public shooting, why go on the roof? The chances of being seen, intercepted on the ground, and/or taken out (if one could actually make it onto the roof) before even having a chance to fire a single shot (all things that did/should have happened) are sky high with a roof positioning choice. Makes no sense for MPS intent. Wouldn't a mass public shooting intent by the shooter suggest stealth/cover as a strategy choice? Positioning behind/in trees, at edge of building, in a car parked in the adjacent lot? All of these would provide clear sight view to packed stands, and low probability of intervention (at least initially) due to stealth/cover strategy. Makes sense, no, if MPS was intent?

Regarding 1) You had asked many days ago, MD, “Any thoughts on the weaponry?”
JHU72 posted Sunday: “Can't be that American society should not be allowed to own this type of weapon.”

It would be helpful to have clarification from you as to what you’re are really asking. Was your question a lead in to “An AR was used, so we should ban them”? Or “An AR shoots so fast (as if other semi-auto rifles aren’t equally “fast capable”), and we should ban them"? I just want to be clear. I have been chipping away (busy week) on a belated response which shares some of my thoughts as the predictable "ban AR dialogues" are unfolding in the wake of Saturday’s event.

[old salt]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Quite the opposite.
This is a cult.

What is extremely arrogant is to claim that one knows God's intentions, beyond what is entirely personal in one's relationship with faith. This BS is cult behavior, a grift, a scam, preying on people who want to believe in something and are easily led by the scam artists.

It's gross.

Ah yes. You're the one, pure, true believer. All the rest are unworthy. Lead us into the light.

[MDlaxfan76]

It depends on how you define a mass shooting. Was his objective to kill as many people as possible or to eliminate Trump ?

Re oversight of rooftops, there is a water tower with a railed walkway that could be used by a 2 man overwatch counter-sniper team with a clear view of numerous rooftops, including the one used by the shooter.

How do we actually know what his objective was??

I agree that it certainly seems most likely that he was targeting Trump first and foremost, but we don't know that for a fact...yet.

and we do know that he fired a flurry of bullets, at least 8 shots in rapid-fire, and was immediately stopped by a single shot (at least that's the reporting).

But it's definitely plausible that he intended to keep on firing as long as he could, killing as many as he could. The weapon he chose is much better for that purpose than would have been a sniper rifle, though both were capable of a straight assassination attempt.

So, unless we absolutely know he only intended to kill one person, sure fits mass shooting profile as well.

It doesn't matter. The legal definition of a mass shooting is 3 or more deaths.

Intention matters. If his intent was to kill as many as possible, he fits the mass shooter profile, just failed.

That doesn't mean he actually intended to kill more than Trump, if Trump, it is just is an open question.

Right now there appears to be more evidence of such intent than not.

You guys have really been in the weeds on 1) rifle used, and 2) defining this shooting as mass or not. Edit to add: weeds are fun and inherent to places like this.

Regarding 2) If the intent was to perpetrate a mass public shooting, why go on the roof? The chances of being seen, intercepted on the ground, and/or taken out (if one could actually make it onto the roof) before even having a chance to fire a single shot (all things that did/should have happened) are sky high with a roof positioning choice. Makes no sense for MPS intent. Wouldn't a mass public shooting intent by the shooter suggest stealth/cover as a strategy choice? Positioning behind/in trees, at edge of building, in a car parked in the adjacent lot? All of these would provide clear sight view to packed stands, and low probability of intervention (at least initially) due to stealth/cover strategy. Makes sense, no, if MPS was intent?

Regarding 1) You had asked many days ago, MD, “Any thoughts on the weaponry?”
JHU72 posted Sunday: “Can't be that American society should not be allowed to own this type of weapon.”

It would be helpful to have clarification from you as to what you’re are really asking. Was your question a lead in to “An AR was used, so we should ban them”? Or “An AR shoots so fast (as if other semi-auto rifles aren’t equally “fast capable”), and we should ban them"? I just want to be clear. I have been chipping away (busy week) on a belated response which shares some of my thoughts as the predictable "ban AR dialogues" are unfolding in the wake of Saturday’s event.

Fair points.

My own speculation is that he wanted as big a splash as possible and shooting at a Presidential candidate, either one, would be such...and killing as many as possible would be subordinate but desirable. Of course, this is assuming a mentally unstable person in the first place, so who knows.

Re AR-15, my question was more to the question of why use this weapon when a hunting rifle would be more appropriate? It already had the feeling of a mass killing effort as much as an assassination attempt, and certainly didn't seem to be a professional sniper...that was very early on and it appears that was probably correct.

I do think weapons designed for maximum, fast destruction of other human beings have no business being easily accessible to every Tom, Dick and Sue, outside of well-regulated gun ranges with strict controls on usage. That's not specific to AR-15's. But that wasn't the point of my question.

[MDlaxfan76]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Quite the opposite.
This is a cult.

What is extremely arrogant is to claim that one knows God's intentions, beyond what is entirely personal in one's relationship with faith. This BS is cult behavior, a grift, a scam, preying on people who want to believe in something and are easily led by the scam artists.

It's gross.

Ah yes. You're the one, pure, true believer. All the rest are unworthy. Lead us into the light.

Nope, heck of a lot more people are like me, have some degree of religious faith, whether Christian or other, and fully reject this faux Christian cult than are "believers in Trump as a religious figure, God inspired, God protected, martyr, etc". As a Christian in specific, it goes against so many of the core Christian tenets that it's really far, far outside of mainstream Christianity.

But hey, you do you...just don't require Americans though the power of government to follow your "Christian nationalism" requirements.

[ggait]

NY Times has an excellent video timeline of the shooting.

Turns out that the south sniper team on audience right Trump left took out the shooter. The other north sniper team (the one shown in most of the photos) had an over hanging tree blocking clear line of sight.

The south snipers were initially positioned to guard the rear of the stage. When things started to happen, they did a reposition 180 degrees, put down their binoculars, and got into sighting and shooting position.

All of which means there was a good bit of time to get trump off or at least down before the shots. Fog of war, failure to communicate.

[old salt]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Quite the opposite.
This is a cult.

What is extremely arrogant is to claim that one knows God's intentions, beyond what is entirely personal in one's relationship with faith. This BS is cult behavior, a grift, a scam, preying on people who want to believe in something and are easily led by the scam artists.

It's gross.

Ah yes. You're the one, pure, true believer. All the rest are unworthy. Lead us into the light.

Nope, heck of a lot more people are like me, have some degree of religious faith, whether Christian or other, and fully reject this faux Christian cult than are "believers in Trump as a religious figure, God inspired, God protected, martyr, etc". As a Christian in specific, it goes against so many of the core Christian tenets that it's really far, far outside of mainstream Christianity.

But hey, you do you...just don't require Americans though the power of government to follow your "Christian nationalism" requirements.

Do you think that any of those faux Christian cult members may have been believers or practicing Christians before they ever heard of Trump.

Franklin Graham stands up for him. Do you consider him a faux Christian ?

[Kismet]

Franklin Graham stands up for him. Do you consider him a faux Christian ?

Yes, for sure. In addition to just being a regular a-hole

[a fan]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Nope. Just the Pastor. What's the 1st commandment?

If you don't know that that is, or haven't read the book of Job, or countless other passages that tell Christians DIRECTLY that they do NOT know the mind of G8D...then that's a big, fat, enormous YES.....you're not a Christian.

No one knows why he does what he does. Period. Full stop. And we are WARNED not to trust anyone who claims to know.

There is no middle ground here, sorry. And if you don't understand what I'm saying here, that's not my problem.

As usual, YOU are so arrogant that you don't understand who's being arrogant here: it's the fake pastor, who claims to know the mind of G8D. And is doing it at a freaking political rally for political gain. So yep: that's a Fake Christian.

I said nothing about the crowd.

[MDlaxfan76]

And this is yet another reason why folks can't stand fake-Christians....

Rev. Lorenzo Sewell, a senior pastor at 180 Church in Detroit, took the stage on Thursday at the Republican National Convention, where he declared God performed a "millimeter miracle" in the assassination attempt of former President Donald Trump.

"You can't deny the power of God on this man's life. You can't deny that God protected him. You cannot deny that it was a millimeter miracle that was able to save this man's life," he said. "Could it be that Jesus Christ preserved him for such a time as this?"

Sewell's remarks drew a roaring applause from those in attendance at the convention.

Right. G*d protected Trump...a man who can't quote one word from the Bible, and yet is using the L*rds name to get elected....and yet let a volunteer firefighter with a nice family die an early death.

If this is Christianity....i just......(facepalm)

Fake Christians ? Now you're questioning the faith & sincerity of thousands of people you've never met, who believe it was divine intervention.
You don't have to recite scripture or wear your faith on your sleeve to be a believer. Who are you to question another's faith ? Supreme arrogance.

Quite the opposite.
This is a cult.

What is extremely arrogant is to claim that one knows God's intentions, beyond what is entirely personal in one's relationship with faith. This BS is cult behavior, a grift, a scam, preying on people who want to believe in something and are easily led by the scam artists.

It's gross.

Ah yes. You're the one, pure, true believer. All the rest are unworthy. Lead us into the light.

Nope, heck of a lot more people are like me, have some degree of religious faith, whether Christian or other, and fully reject this faux Christian cult than are "believers in Trump as a religious figure, God inspired, God protected, martyr, etc". As a Christian in specific, it goes against so many of the core Christian tenets that it's really far, far outside of mainstream Christianity.

But hey, you do you...just don't require Americans though the power of government to follow your "Christian nationalism" requirements.

Do you think that any of those faux Christian cult members may have been believers or practicing Christians before they ever heard of Trump.

Franklin Graham stands up for him. Do you consider him a faux Christian ?

Sure, I think most cult members are not deranged lunatics before they get brainwashed by a cult. I also think cult-members are redeemable, though de-programming is not easy.

And I'm also not saying that everyone who supports Trump is a "faux Christian" just those who, like this pastor, claim God's intervention and inspiration of Trump. Those who commit idolatry with Trump as their 'god-like' figurehead. There's a lot of them, but lots of others who support Trump are just living in a specific media bubble that tells them the world is a disaster and America will collapse if Dems win the White House...and their bigotries and fears are fed incessantly.

[a fan]

I've posted this before....here's a fictional illustration of a REAL Christian. No claims of knowing the mind of G8D. And complete and total humility before H*m.