Orange Duce

[jhu72]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

[a fan]

Nice we are even...
....i even dropped a handful of my posts for jhu72 this past weekend who tried your one-sized fits all tactics.

Even?

Nope. Not even close.

I told you what to do. Are you going to do it, or not?

Criticize the Republicans, and leave the Dems alone. How about just for the rest of the summer....can you manage that?

Yelling at "the Dems", and telling them to stop blaming the R's is hypocritical.....and silly. And a waste of time.

[MDlaxfan76]

There was a news report that violence began a sharp upturn in guess what year?? 2016. Surprised?

Weird, I don't get it. Obama?

I think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.

Nope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.

Yes, media, especially social media, heightened the anger and violent rhetoric, but there's zero question where the gross majority of such rhetoric emerged from and that was the Trump/MAGA movement and its embrace of far right extremist and white Christian nationalist groups.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Of course it is a DEI guy pointing it out:

[Seacoaster(1)]

There was a news report that violence began a sharp upturn in guess what year?? 2016. Surprised?

Weird, I don't get it. Obama?

I think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.

There is no way to both sides (or "tri-sides") the mainstreaming of rhetoric of political violence, YA. That is the work of you and your friends in the GOP, who have given Trump's and his Apostles free rein for nearly eight years. Countering the Trump and MAGA rhetoric and vengeance-planning with language suggesting Trump has fascist inclinations is not equal or equivalent; that would be like blaming the Jews and the 1935 German Communists for their complicity in the pogroms and Shoah. Your efforts to "both sides" this would be laughable, if it wasn't so very sad.

[old salt]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

[OCanada]

There was a news report that violence began a sharp upturn in guess what year?? 2016. Surprised?

Weird, I don't get it. Obama?

Starting in 2016 and trending upward. Election year i assume

[OCanada]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct it

[youthathletics]

There was a news report that violence began a sharp upturn in guess what year?? 2016. Surprised?

Weird, I don't get it. Obama?

I think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.

Nope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.

Yes, media, especially social media, heightened the anger and violent rhetoric, but there's zero question where the gross majority of such rhetoric emerged from and that was the Trump/MAGA movement and its embrace of far right extremist and white Christian nationalist groups.

oh cool, you can read WIKI as well, but my guess is that you stopped there....well....you'd be wrong, so go fight with the FBI and Homeland Security on that one.....

~ https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/feds-s ... 1513304852
~ https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235

Happy to see you made an affirming comment, but just couldn't help yourself with the scoreboard, little-bit pregnant gish gallop.

[old salt]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct it

This is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.

[OCanada]

Lolol. Not unlike an evangelical taking a bible verse out of context to try and make a point.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi ... 2.pdf/view

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9azTk8S ... BiNWFlZA==

[jhu72]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

... yea, I heard him with my own ears, and understood what he meant. Your team has been trying to clean up for him. Nobody is buying it.

[Essexfenwick]

Actually everybody is buying it. Trump up in every swing state has a Hispanic majority and the majority by a slim margin believe the election was tainted

[jhu72]

In today's news Trump is trying to split the abortion baby. The republiCONs passed the Trump platform with the unchanged abortion provision, "I will leave it to the states, because that makes everybody happy, and everybody thought that was a great thing." This sh*ts on his hardcore Christian base who want a national abortion ban (and women dying). It does not give solace to old school republicans and will not impress the 70+% majority in the US.

[jhu72]

Actually everybody is buying it. Trump up in every swing state has a Hispanic majority and the majority by a slim margin believe the election was tainted

-- comedian.

[MDlaxfan76]

There was a news report that violence began a sharp upturn in guess what year?? 2016. Surprised?

Weird, I don't get it. Obama?

I think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.

Nope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.

Yes, media, especially social media, heightened the anger and violent rhetoric, but there's zero question where the gross majority of such rhetoric emerged from and that was the Trump/MAGA movement and its embrace of far right extremist and white Christian nationalist groups.

oh cool, you can read WIKI as well, but my guess is that you stopped there....well....you'd be wrong, so go fight with the FBI and Homeland Security on that one.....

~ https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/feds-s ... 1513304852
~ https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235

Happy to see you made an affirming comment, but just couldn't help yourself with the scoreboard, little-bit pregnant gish gallop.

Yes, Antifa existed prior to 2016 as well. Quite awhile before. There were elements of these sorts of groups in protests in Portland far earlier as well as the Wall Street stuff. But Antifa in specific didn't enter the public consciousness until April 2017. That's also what your links indicate.

Good to see that the "feds" were onto the loosely aligned movement earlier, which certainly made sense given some of the online rhetoric and some beginning of actual violence. But their ranks swelled enormously as Trump embraced the far right extremists and was so clearly 'fascist' in this embrace.

How come you're having such a hard time admitting that the far right has been much louder and created more domestic terror events than have the left? Is it simply because you identify with the 'right' more than 'left'? I don't identify with either so have no problem condemning the extremists of any sort.

Or is it because so many MAGA political types, led by Trump, have embraced these extremists and utilized the rhetoric of violence far more than traditional politicians of either party? Is it because you know that Republicans (or more specifically MAGA Republicans) embrace the idea of political violence as legitimate?

[MDlaxfan76]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct it

This is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.

At the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?

That's the most generous interpretation.

Very fine people.

Yup, racists are very fine people.
That's the most generous interpretation.

[old salt]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct it

This is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.

At the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?

That's the most generous interpretation.

Very fine people.

Yup, racists are very fine people.
That's the most generous interpretation.

That's your interpretation of history & your judgement that they are racists for wanting to preserve a symbol of their heritage.

What's next ? Remove the headstones from the graves of fallen CSA soldiers ?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars. Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.

This was refreshing.

Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662

Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct it

This is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.

At the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?

That's the most generous interpretation.

Very fine people.

Yup, racists are very fine people.
That's the most generous interpretation.

That's your interpretation of history & your judgement that they are racists for wanting to preserve a symbol of their heritage.

What's next ? Remove the headstones from the graves of fallen CSA soldiers ?

Yes