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This was refreshing.
Nope. Not even close.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:51 pm Nice we are even...
....i even dropped a handful of my posts for jhu72 this past weekend who tried your one-sized fits all tactics.
Even?![]()
Nope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 pmI think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.
Of course it is a DEI guy pointing it out:jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
There is no way to both sides (or "tri-sides") the mainstreaming of rhetoric of political violence, YA. That is the work of you and your friends in the GOP, who have given Trump's and his Apostles free rein for nearly eight years. Countering the Trump and MAGA rhetoric and vengeance-planning with language suggesting Trump has fascist inclinations is not equal or equivalent; that would be like blaming the Jews and the 1935 German Communists for their complicity in the pogroms and Shoah. Your efforts to "both sides" this would be laughable, if it wasn't so very sad.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 pmI think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.
Read the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
Seriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct itold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
oh cool, you can read WIKI as well, but my guess is that you stopped there....well....you'd be wrong, so go fight with the FBI and Homeland Security on that one.....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:11 pmNope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 pmI think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.
Yes, media, especially social media, heightened the anger and violent rhetoric, but there's zero question where the gross majority of such rhetoric emerged from and that was the Trump/MAGA movement and its embrace of far right extremist and white Christian nationalist groups.
This is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmSeriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct itold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
... yea, I heard him with my own ears, and understood what he meant. Your team has been trying to clean up for him. Nobody is buying it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 3:59 pm Actually everybody is buying it. Trump up in every swing state has a Hispanic majority and the majority by a slim margin believe the election was tainted
Yes, Antifa existed prior to 2016 as well. Quite awhile before. There were elements of these sorts of groups in protests in Portland far earlier as well as the Wall Street stuff. But Antifa in specific didn't enter the public consciousness until April 2017. That's also what your links indicate.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:18 pmoh cool, you can read WIKI as well, but my guess is that you stopped there....well....you'd be wrong, so go fight with the FBI and Homeland Security on that one.....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:11 pmNope, that was 2017 when Antifa emerged in some noticeable way. Post election, much less all the racial anger with Muslim ban and rapists and vermin coming across the border that infused the Trump 2016 Campaign. Antifa was a response which really didn't get much notice until Charlottesville and then George Floyd protests, particularly Portland's. Most Antifa organizing has been non-violent, but purposely confrontational with extremist groups on the right. They are NOT aligned with the Democratic Party, though that's what the right has tried to portray them as being. That said, some of their actions have been well out of bounds and posters on here, including a fan, condemned such.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:57 pmI think he forgot that's also when ANTIFA and their sub-groups really got rolling, so yea Trump and those others did a number. Less we forgot the media was rolling in the cash, hiring journalists and remote correspondents like wildfire for clickbait and sensationalizing media, which trickled down to the social media realm.
Yes, media, especially social media, heightened the anger and violent rhetoric, but there's zero question where the gross majority of such rhetoric emerged from and that was the Trump/MAGA movement and its embrace of far right extremist and white Christian nationalist groups.
~ https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/feds-s ... 1513304852
~ https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/ ... fbi-242235
Happy to see you made an affirming comment, but just couldn't help yourself with the scoreboard, little-bit pregnant gish gallop.
At the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:23 pmThis is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmSeriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct itold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
That's your interpretation of history & your judgement that they are racists for wanting to preserve a symbol of their heritage.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:02 pmAt the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:23 pmThis is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmSeriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct itold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
That's the most generous interpretation.
Very fine people.
Yup, racists are very fine people.
That's the most generous interpretation.
Yesold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:11 pmThat's your interpretation of history & your judgement that they are racists for wanting to preserve a symbol of their heritage.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:02 pmAt the very most generous, what you are saying is that Trump believes that people who were protesting taking down a memorial to Robert E. Lee in a public park, constructed specifically during Jim Crow as a symbol of continued white supremacy in that region, and being removed consistent with the wishes now of the community within which that public park exists, and which removal was publicly supported by the descendants of Lee, are "very fine people"?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:23 pmThis is specifically about who he was referring to in his "fine people on both sides " comment about Charlottesville.OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmSeriously?? Trump lied 30,000x in office, has bern lying ever dince and was known for it back when? He said he wants to be accurate and not rush in yet he has a life time of not doing that. He was trying to play both sides. Why not tske one of his “rally” speeches and deconstruct itold salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:19 pmRead the entire transcript. He was referring to the peaceful protesters (with a permit) who were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E Lee & the renaming of the park.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:06 pm Jessica Tarlov over on Fox pushed back against the usual liars claiming the divisiveness is all the Dem's fault -- the liars claim that Biden is lying about Trump's Charlottesville claim that the Tiki Torch marchers were fine people. Trump didn't say it according to the liars.Tarlov called bull*hit, she gave the obvious examples that lays the fault at the feet of Trump for all his divisive comments - like mocking Pelosi's husband after he was beaten with a hammer.
This was refreshing.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/ ... ipt-241662
That's the most generous interpretation.
Very fine people.
Yup, racists are very fine people.
That's the most generous interpretation.
What's next ? Remove the headstones from the graves of fallen CSA soldiers ?