Well it seems you understand my point just fine.WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:12 pmHere we go again.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 10:53 am In what world does "outside sources" have thing one to do what's in the Constitution? There aren't footnotes or citations in the thing. There is the document
You cannot run away from the word "militia". It's in there on purpose. If they didn't care about them? They wouldn't have put that word in. So sorry, you can't look at anything by the words IN the Constitution to decide what that means.
I think your fellow Americans would disagree with how you're moving the statistics around to make it sound like gun violence isn't a thing in America.
Historical documents ("outside sources") have nothing to do with 1) understanding how what is enshrined in the Constitution 2) how it was arrived at and 3) its intended meaning in the words of those where were there? I'm so confused.
At no point does the Constitution instruct Americans to "check James Madison's notes to help you interpret these laws".
It's a CHOICE to look at these things as a Judge, Waffle.
Judges can do whatever they like.
Some look at precedent. Some don't. Some look at the Constitution text. Some don't. Some do as you are suggesting....ferret through obscure writings and letters from Madison or Jefferson, or whomever. You're not 'wrong' for wanting to do that, obviously....because there is no "wrong" way to interpret the Constitution (well, within reason, obviously). It's all opinion.
Yes. But IMHO, the mistake you're making is: the pro-gun advocates don't do that, either. They do NOTHING, which in my view, is the entire problem.WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:12 pm The point I was trying to make is "Why, if 99.99% of Americans who own guns are peaceful and law abiding, are so many of the existing and proposed gun laws and policies pointed directly at them? Shouldn't we instead point solutions directly at those perpetrating criminal violence (with any tool, and including guns), and the underlying causes which are at the foundation for the behavior? That was my inference and intent, hopefully more clearly explained?
The reason the gun grabbers are sick of the NRA et al...... is that this pro-gun crowd kills ANYTHING that might help. In other words, they DON'T go after the criminals with zeal.
We're very much on the same page, imho....it's hard to have conversations online without misunderstandings.
Enjoy your gardening!