Trump Rally and Possible Shooting or Explosions?

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

The shooter managed to gain access to an elevated position 150 yards from where trump was speaking. This is monumental security failure. This is Monday morning quarterbacking on my part but SOP would normally dictate there would have been security stationed on that elevated position. One witness stated he saw the shooter low crawling on the roof and tried in vain to notify the police. Whoever was in charge of security at this event has alot of explaining to do.

Well, the head of the Secret Service did head up security at Pepsico before appointment.

It has been interesting hearing former agents and personal protection specialists weighing in - early days of course - on the apparent calamitous failures across the board. Keystone Cops level stuff. One example was a person on the "surround the protected person if something happens" team was about two feet shorter than Trump. Kinda inherently missing the point, even the most casual observer would think.

There will be some Congressional hearings very soon, and they should be fascinating.

[a fan]

The shooter managed to gain access to an elevated position 150 yards from where trump was speaking. This is monumental security failure. This is Monday morning quarterbacking on my part but SOP would normally dictate there would have been security stationed on that elevated position. One witness stated he saw the shooter low crawling on the roof and tried in vain to notify the police. Whoever was in charge of security at this event has alot of explaining to do.

Well, the head of the Secret Service did head up security at Pepsico before appointment.

It has been interesting hearing former agents and personal protection specialists weighing in - early days of course - on the apparent calamitous failures across the board. Keystone Cops level stuff. One example was a person on the "surround the protected person if something happens" team was about two feet shorter than Trump. Kinda inherently missing the point, even the most casual observer would think.

There will be some Congressional hearings very soon, and they should be fascinating.

Monday. And break out the TinFoilHats.

[Kismet]

Regarding the now-deceased shooter - Two explosive devices were said to have been found in the gunman’s car and a possible third at his residence. His father purchased the rifle he used.......legally, of course.

It appears that he fired 8 shots in total before he was neutralized by SS sniper firing from an elevated position on a roof of a nearby building.

[PizzaSnake]

Regarding the now-deceased shooter - Two explosive devices were said to have been found in the gunman’s car and a possible third at his residence. His father purchased the rifle he used.......legally, of course.

It appears that he fired 8 shots in total before he was neutralized by SS sniper firing from an elevated position on a roof of a nearby building.

This is an important takeaway for the "patriots" who have delusions of resisting "government tyranny." "You can't beat the house!"

Of course, the real key to resisting tyranny is to participate in the electoral process and gain representation from individuals who will advance your interests, not some warmed over "culture war" nonsense. I wonder if the majority of the MAGA Nation has any scintilla of awareness of what the results of imposition of the reactionary agenda of the Project 2025 manifesto would be? And how bad it would be for them? Sigh. Probably not, given the level of introspection and awareness demonstrated by the reaction of the crowd after the shooting yesterday. Really, one gun salutes and jeering? Can these people really be this stupid? Or, maybe they are more of the crisis actors? Where's Alex Jones?

[ggait]

Former Secret Service officer on Stephanoupolous' show this morning.

Points out that Trump is not the current president. And that no one other than the current president gets the super maximum security detail given to in office POTUS. Hadn't thought of that, but makes a lot of sense.

Trump gets a lot of security as a former president and a current candidate, but it just isn't at the same level given to the current Leader of the Free World. And a candidate doing campaign events in relatively open settings is just much more exposed than sitting POTUS ever would be.

The main difference, according to the ex-officer, is that non-POTUS security is primarily reactive. Which worked as designed. Counter-snipers correctly identified the shooter as a shooter and neutralized him within 1-2 seconds. Points out that we'd have a much different discussion going today if the snipers had taken out an ordinary citizen who was simply trying to get a better view of the event.

For a POTUS appearance, they do a whole other level of pro-active pre-event scouting and planning. Bottom line, it is a lot easier to take a shot at a public figure protectee who is not the sitting POTUS.

[cradleandshoot]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

[LaxFan2311]

Felt this was worthy of its own thread. A lot of questions to be answered, and none satisfactory so far from the officials in charge of Trump's rally and campaign.

I think we deserve answers.

It was an assassination attempt. This isn’t surprising to anyone who has been following the left’s rhetoric toward Trump and his supporters. Also history has shown us that Democrats have and continue to try to murder their political opponents.

The Democrats assassinated Abe Lincoln

The Democrats assassinated JFK

The Democrats assassinated MLK

The Democrats assassinated Malcolm X

The Democrats attempted to assassinate
Theodore Roosevelt

The Democrats attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan

The Democrats attempted to assassinate President Trump

The Democratic Party is a dangerous and deadly criminal organization

[Essexfenwick]

Felt this was worthy of its own thread. A lot of questions to be answered, and none satisfactory so far from the officials in charge of Trump's rally and campaign.

I think we deserve answers.

It was an assassination attempt. This isn’t surprising to anyone who has been following the left’s rhetoric toward Trump and his supporters. Also history has shown us that Democrats have and continue to try to murder their political opponents.

The Democrats assassinated Abe Lincoln

The Democrats assassinated JFK

The Democrats assassinated MLK

The Democrats assassinated Malcolm X

The Democrats attempted to assassinate
Theodore Roosevelt

The Democrats attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan

The Democrats attempted to assassinate President Trump

The Democratic Party is a dangerous and deadly criminal organization

We can forgive them for being wrong but they will never forgive us for being right.

[LaxFan2311]

Felt this was worthy of its own thread. A lot of questions to be answered, and none satisfactory so far from the officials in charge of Trump's rally and campaign.

I think we deserve answers.

It was an assassination attempt. This isn’t surprising to anyone who has been following the left’s rhetoric toward Trump and his supporters. Also history has shown us that Democrats have and continue to try to murder their political opponents.

The Democrats assassinated Abe Lincoln

The Democrats assassinated JFK

The Democrats assassinated MLK

The Democrats assassinated Malcolm X

The Democrats attempted to assassinate
Theodore Roosevelt

The Democrats attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan

The Democrats attempted to assassinate President Trump

The Democratic Party is a dangerous and deadly criminal organization

We can forgive them for being wrong but they will never forgive us for being right.

Democrats are evil, vile creatures. They’ll do anything including killing people to maintain power in promoting their globalist agenda.

[youthathletics]

From Melania: https://x.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1812492817068945437

[cradleandshoot]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

I remember very well. IMO trying to sort out the whack jobs on both sides is pretty much impossible. " They " are about to become the basis for how trump will define this event on the campaign trail. I'm sure you can visualize it as well as I. Trump standing at the podium speaking to the throngs of his rabid supporters. First " they " tried to keep me off the ballot... then " they " wanted to throw me in jail...and then finally " they " tried to kill me. How do you think that message will resonate in trump and? The expectation is it will translate to more votes. I believe that will likely be the case.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

I remember very well. IMO trying to sort out the whack jobs on both sides is pretty much impossible. " They " are about to become the basis for how trump will define this event on the campaign trail. I'm sure you can visualize it as well as I. Trump standing at the podium speaking to the throngs of his rabid supporters. First " they " tried to keep me off the ballot... then " they " wanted to throw me in jail...and then finally " they " tried to kill me. How do you think that message will resonate in trump and? The expectation is it will translate to more votes. I believe that will likely be the case.

I am sorting out people who participate on this forum.

[cradleandshoot]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

I remember very well. IMO trying to sort out the whack jobs on both sides is pretty much impossible. " They " are about to become the basis for how trump will define this event on the campaign trail. I'm sure you can visualize it as well as I. Trump standing at the podium speaking to the throngs of his rabid supporters. First " they " tried to keep me off the ballot... then " they " wanted to throw me in jail...and then finally " they " tried to kill me. How do you think that message will resonate in trump and? The expectation is it will translate to more votes. I believe that will likely be the case.

I am sorting out people who participate on this forum.

To what end or is that just your unique brand of sarcasm? You must be " they "

[Typical Lax Dad]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

I remember very well. IMO trying to sort out the whack jobs on both sides is pretty much impossible. " They " are about to become the basis for how trump will define this event on the campaign trail. I'm sure you can visualize it as well as I. Trump standing at the podium speaking to the throngs of his rabid supporters. First " they " tried to keep me off the ballot... then " they " wanted to throw me in jail...and then finally " they " tried to kill me. How do you think that message will resonate in trump and? The expectation is it will translate to more votes. I believe that will likely be the case.

I am sorting out people who participate on this forum.

To what end or is that just your unique brand of sarcasm? You must be " they "

I haven’t mentioned anything about the deep state, a Jewish cabal or any other group of people targeting anyone. I am not part of “they” or part of the group that is claiming the groups I have mentioned or anyone else considered “they” are out to get anyone but since I don’t bend at the knee for Trump, some of the clowns that post here may in fact think of me as “they”.

[a fan]

I was watching NBC around 8pm last night. A female correspondent became a bit unhinged when reporting on a tweet allegedly from the trump campaign. I'm paraphrasing but apparently it went something like this in regards to trump. First they tried to keep him off the ballot, then they tried to put him in jail, now they tried to kill him. The NBC news lady became unhinged asking who exactly are " they " ? That is the new reality of the trump people, in their world the opposition wants him dead. In trumps world this will be used to gain sympathy for their candidate. In their world " they " really do want trump dead. That is what they will be selling.

They are the Deep State. Been reading it here for years…haven’t you read it here also or do I misremember?

I remember very well. IMO trying to sort out the whack jobs on both sides is pretty much impossible. " They " are about to become the basis for how trump will define this event on the campaign trail. I'm sure you can visualize it as well as I. Trump standing at the podium speaking to the throngs of his rabid supporters. First " they " tried to keep me off the ballot... then " they " wanted to throw me in jail...and then finally " they " tried to kill me. How do you think that message will resonate in trump and? The expectation is it will translate to more votes. I believe that will likely be the case.

I am sorting out people who participate on this forum.

To what end or is that just your unique brand of sarcasm? You must be " they "

I haven’t mentioned anything about the deep state, a Jewish cabal or any other group of people targeting anyone. I am not part of “they” or part of the group that is claiming the groups I have mentioned or anyone else considered “they” are out to get anyone but since I don’t bend at the knee for Trump, some of the clowns that post here may in fact think of me as “they”.

Fits the pattern. The Deep State is the Republican Party.

Mueller and Comey? Republicans. Tried to take Trump out.

Wray, Rettig, Barr? All Republicans.....who tried to hide Hunter's laptop, and Joe Biden getting rich off corruption in Ukraine.

..and now we find that yesterday's shooter was a Republican.

It all fits. The Deep State is trying to kill Trump.

[jhu72]

Yup, gotta be a conspiracy. A local 20 year old pimple faced kid takes his father's semi-auto riffle, without a telescope, and takes a shot at Trump. This has to be some deep dark unholy government conspiracy to silence a jackass who's mouth is his own worst enemy.

Can't just be a mixed up kid.
Can't be that American society should not be allowed to own this type of weapon.
Gotta be the current President wanted the mouth dead; or George Soros; or the Deep State; or Mickey Mouse ....

Trump is lucky to be alive, a real assassin, you know the kind the government would have used -- would have put Trump away with the first shot.

[DMac]

Yup, dead nuts on across the board, '72.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

Can't be that American society should not be allowed to own this type of weapon.

In the last 24 hours, 14 innocent Americans were killed by the 37 drunk drivers who died. Tomorrow will be the same. Every day will be the same. Statistically speaking. Therefore American society should not be allowed to own vehicles. And vehicles are a privilege, not a right enshrined in the Constitution. Even more reason for immediate vehicular confiscation, despite the 278,000,000 American vehicle owners who did NOT kill anyone in a criminal act in the past 24 hours.

Sort of like the 25,000,000 Americans who own 40,000,000 AR-15 rifles who did not kill anyone in the past 24 hours.

According to the FBI's just released 2023 active shooter report, rifles were utilized in 16 of the 43 incidents last year. A total of 105 victims for all the incidents.

Of all murders in the USA each year, which roughly total 20,000 for so, rifles of all types rarely top out at more than 400 murders. Fists and hammers are much more prevalent as weapons of choice.

But, yup, gotta do something, and it's gotta be banning America's favorite partisan politics virtue signaling chew toy, the scary black AR-15!

Heaven forbid we actually dig down to the root causes of criminal violence, and find our solutions there.

[a fan]

Can't be that American society should not be allowed to own this type of weapon.

In the last 24 hours, 14 innocent Americans were killed by the 37 drunk drivers who died. Tomorrow will be the same. Every day will be the same. Statistically speaking. Therefore American society should not be allowed to own vehicles.

You're forgetting the rest of the metaphor.

Just off the top of my head......

-we have added thousands of safety standards for cars, mandated.
-invented air bags and many other safety features (have guns done that?)
-must register your car with State. This is VERY expensive, and registration expires. Meaning MORE money.
-added speed limits and a whole mess of traffic laws that fill an entire booklet, and hand out expensive tickets when even minor rules are broken.
-mandated very expensive liability insurance
-added drunk driving laws
-have to take an exam to prove you can drive one. And you must retake this exam periodically.
-more intensive exams for bigger vehicles
-added regulations for folks driving larger vehicles.

Have we done anything anywhere close to the same for guns?

This is a very, very, very bad argument, my friend.