Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:24 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:24 pm If we eliminate illegal immigration, we will also eliminate rape, murder and illegal drugs!
We like our rapists and murderers to be red blooded Americans
and, friends with you.

what was his christmas card , like, this year.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:24 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:24 pm If we eliminate illegal immigration, we will also eliminate rape, murder and illegal drugs!
We like our rapists and murderers to be red blooded Americans
You mean illegals ? Stop supporting illegals over law abiding citizens. Democrats support rape and murder of innocent Americans by illegals.
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LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:03 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:24 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:24 pm If we eliminate illegal immigration, we will also eliminate rape, murder and illegal drugs!
We like our rapists and murderers to be red blooded Americans
You mean illegals ? Stop supporting illegals over law abiding citizens. Democrats support rape and murder of innocent Americans by illegals.
what a strange thing to write. almost, like, weirdo land.

would agree, more, if you wrote, "democrats support killing humans with expensive weapondry".

Do you think it was strange that it took SO LONG to learn the name of the unforunate worker on the racist, Francis Scott Key bridge ? Perhaps, they, just hadn't done the proper paper work, required by law. Bet you are calling ALL elected officials over that one. not.
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LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:03 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:24 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:24 pm If we eliminate illegal immigration, we will also eliminate rape, murder and illegal drugs!
We like our rapists and murderers to be red blooded Americans
You mean illegals ? Stop supporting illegals over law abiding citizens. Democrats support rape and murder of innocent Americans by illegals.
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Tough one for Biden, Border Tzar Kamala, and Mayorkas to spin. Real scary seeing the spike in "refugees" coming through Mexico from certain other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat ... -compared/

And, no, posting this doesn't mean I voted for or will ever vote for Orange man. I'm a registered D who registers Disgust on this crisis which threatens the very fabric of our nation.

Rather shocked WaPo even printed this, instead of instantly filing it in the memory hole, after not publishing it. Not sure what to make of their motives here, as journalistic balance and integrity hasn't exactly been their strongest suit in more recent years.
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WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:23 pm Tough one for Biden, Border Tzar Kamala, and Mayorkas to spin. Real scary seeing the spike in "refugees" coming through Mexico from certain other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat ... -compared/

And, no, posting this doesn't mean I voted for or will ever vote for Orange man. I'm a registered D who registers Disgust on this crisis which threatens the very fabric of our nation.

Rather shocked WaPo even printed this, instead of instantly filing it in the memory hole, after not publishing it. Not sure what to make of their motives here, as journalistic balance and integrity hasn't exactly been their strongest suit in more recent years.
Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall. I'm intrigued to read it after reading your comments. Any chance you could copy the full text of the article and post it?
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:08 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:23 pm Tough one for Biden, Border Tzar Kamala, and Mayorkas to spin. Real scary seeing the spike in "refugees" coming through Mexico from certain other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat ... -compared/

And, no, posting this doesn't mean I voted for or will ever vote for Orange man. I'm a registered D who registers Disgust on this crisis which threatens the very fabric of our nation.

Rather shocked WaPo even printed this, instead of instantly filing it in the memory hole, after not publishing it. Not sure what to make of their motives here, as journalistic balance and integrity hasn't exactly been their strongest suit in more recent years.
Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall. I'm intrigued to read it after reading your comments. Any chance you could copy the full text of the article and post it?
So the reference that caught my eye initially was on X, and clicking the link there I was right in on the WaPo article, despite no subscription. A bunch of re-circulations of the article/link suddenly appeared on X today...but article I just realized (thinking it was new) was published early February. Probably already referenced in this thread at that time.

Doesn't change my thinking and fears, but not sure why the spike on X occurred other than to feed the "Biden should retire" new narrative much of the MSM has jumped on after the debate.

If you go to X and type in "washington post biden trump immigration comparison" and go to "latest" in search results, you'll see what I mean about the spike. A few of the reposts (scroll down a bit) have slide shows of the slides in the article.

Sorry, but here's the text below, but charts won't paste. Sort of makes my post useless, I'm afraid, unless one goes to X to see the charts. :roll:



Immigration is a polarizing issue in U.S. politics, and will almost certainly play a central role in the November presidential election. Illegal border crossings have averaged 2 million per year since 2021, the highest level ever.

Polls show broad public disapproval of how President Biden has handled the surge, and former president Donald Trump, who also faced criticism for his immigration policies, is running for office on promises to crack down and deport millions of people.

Trump’s opposition to senators’ recently failed $118 billion bipartisan border bill, tying border reforms to Ukraine aid, influenced many Republican legislators to reject it. It also dealt a potentially fatal blow to the possibility of new laws and tools that could reduce illegal crossings and ease strains on cities with overwhelmed shelters.

Here are 12 charts showing the state of the immigration system and the southern border under Biden compared to Trump:

Illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border
Illegal border crossings soared in the months after Biden took office and immediately rolled back many Trump-era restrictions. Biden warned that he’d still enforce immigration laws, and he temporarily kept in place a Trump pandemic policy known as Title 42 that allowed authorities to quickly expel border crossers.

The number of people taken into custody by the U.S. Border Patrol has reached the highest levels in the agency’s 100-year history under Biden, averaging 2 million per year. During the president’s first days in office, his administration announced it would not use the Title 42 policy to turn back unaccompanied minors who arrive without a parent or guardian. Their numbers began to shoot up almost immediately, and images of migrant children and teens packed shoulder-to-shoulder in detention facilities produced the administration’s first border emergency. Soon after, Biden assigned Vice President Harris to lead a new effort to address the “root causes” of Central American emigration.

Teens and children crossing without their parents continue to arrive at near-record numbers. Families and single adults have been arriving in historic numbers as well.

Migrants arriving across the U.S.-Mexico border are coming from a wider variety of countries than ever before. In 2019, the busiest year for border crossings under Trump, about 80 percent of migrants taken into U.S. custody were from Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras. Last year those three countries accounted for fewer than half of all border crossings.

Migrants from Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Senegal and Mauritania — along with other nations in Africa, Europe and Asia — are crossing from Mexico in numbers U.S. authorities have never seen. For example, 14,965 migrants from China arrived across the southern border between October and December, Border Patrol data shows, up from 29 over that same period in 2020. The Border Patrol encountered 9,518 migrants from India during that same three-month span, compared to 56 during that period in 2020.


The challenge of processing, detaining and potentially deporting migrants from such a wide array of nations has strained the Biden administration, which has resorted to releasing migrants into the United States when facilities are overcrowded and requests for humanitarian protection can’t be resolved quickly.

Deportations, returns and expulsions
Since Title 42 ended in May, Biden officials have deported or returned roughly 500,000 people to Mexico and other countries, exceeding Trump’s totals, which averaged roughly 500,000 annually. But Biden’s higher numbers are partly the result of a much greater volume of illegal crossings.
Trump implemented the Title 42 policy at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic in March 2020 to rapidly expel border crossers without giving them a chance to seek U.S. protection. The Trump administration expelled the vast majority who entered the United States and border crossings remained relatively low.

Biden kept the policy in place and ended up expelling five times more border-crossers than Trump did, mainly because more migrants attempted to enter the United States during the period between Biden’s inauguration and May 2023 when he ended Title 42.
The Biden administration has released more than 2.3 million border crossers into the United States since 2021. The gap between the number of migrants taken into CBP custody versus the number of people who are sent back or deported has widened each of the last three years.

U.S. interior immigration enforcement
Border enforcement was among several policy that shifted from Trump’s term to Biden’s.
On Biden’s first day in office his administration ordered a pause on most arrests and deportations from the interior of the United States by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Trump had promised to deport “millions” of immigrants during his term but fell well short of that goal, despite giving ICE officers broad latitude to go after anyone without legal status in the United States. Deportations of migrants arrested by ICE averaged about 80,000 annually during Trump’s term.

Biden’s Department of Homeland Security issued new guidelines to ICE officers in 2021 directing them to prioritize national security threats, serious or violent criminals and recent border-crossers. Worksite enforcement — “raids” — were halted.
Deportations of migrants arrested by ICE have fallen to about 35,000 per year since Biden took office. Biden officials say they’re doing a better job targeting criminals who pose a threat to public safety, instead of detaining otherwise law-abiding immigrant workers.

Parole
Parole, in U.S. immigration law, is an executive power that allows the government to temporarily waive in migrants who don’t qualify for a visa. Biden has relied heavily on parole powers as the basis for his broader strategy to expand opportunities for migrants to reach the United States lawfully while toughening penalties against those who cross illegally.

The Trump administration used parole at times to alleviate severe overcrowding and help CBP process migrants faster. But Biden’s use of the authority is the most expansive in U.S. history. Republicans say his administration has exceeded its powers and parole was meant to be used sparingly on a case-by-case basis.
Biden officials say their implementation of a parole program in January 2023 allowing entry by 30,000 migrants per month from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela fleeing political repression and economic turmoil has reduced the border influx. Fewer Cubans, Haitians and Nicaraguans crossed the border illegally last year, but the program has been less successful with Venezuelans.

Refugees
Trump slashed U.S. refugee admissions and set the cap at 15,000 in 2021 — the lowest level since the 1980 Refugee Act. Biden promised to rebuild the program when he took office. While Biden has admitted more refugees than Trump did, his administration is still falling below the 125,000 annual cap it has set, in part due to the strains of so many border arrivals.
Naturalized citizens

Citizenship applications soared during Trump’s campaign and while in office after he vowed to curb immigration as president. By the end of his tenure, however, naturalizations lagged amid backlogs and financial struggles at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the agency that processes applications. In 2020, his administration instituted a new citizenship exam, which advocates said was more difficult to pass.

After Biden took office, he restored the old exam and encouraged more immigrants to apply for U.S. citizenship

An estimated 9 million legal permanent residents are eligible to become citizens, which allows them to serve on juries, apply for federal jobs and vote in U.S. elections.
Naturalizations climbed during Biden’s first two years in office but slumped last year. The number of new citizens taking the oath remains higher than during the Trump administration.
Immigration courts

The U.S. immigration court system — a branch of the Department of Justice — was facing a huge case backlog when Biden took office, and the backlog has almost doubled since then to nearly 2.5 million pending cases. Many migrants are seeking asylum, a humanitarian protection for people fleeing persecution. Some of the migrants who have crossed the border recently and asked for protection are being scheduled for court hearings more than five years away.

The inability of the system to settle cases quickly has become an incentive for additional illegal migration, because border crossers with weak asylum claims can file for protection and spend years living and working in the United States before having to worry about the risk of deportation.
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WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:29 pm
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:08 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:23 pm Tough one for Biden, Border Tzar Kamala, and Mayorkas to spin. Real scary seeing the spike in "refugees" coming through Mexico from certain other countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat ... -compared/

And, no, posting this doesn't mean I voted for or will ever vote for Orange man. I'm a registered D who registers Disgust on this crisis which threatens the very fabric of our nation.

Rather shocked WaPo even printed this, instead of instantly filing it in the memory hole, after not publishing it. Not sure what to make of their motives here, as journalistic balance and integrity hasn't exactly been their strongest suit in more recent years.
Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall. I'm intrigued to read it after reading your comments. Any chance you could copy the full text of the article and post it?
So the reference that caught my eye initially was on X, and clicking the link there I was right in on the WaPo article, despite no subscription. A bunch of re-circulations of the article/link suddenly appeared on X today...but article I just realized (thinking it was new) was published early February. Probably already referenced in this thread at that time.

Doesn't change my thinking and fears, but not sure why the spike on X occurred other than to feed the "Biden should retire" new narrative much of the MSM has jumped on after the debate.

If you go to X and type in "washington post biden trump immigration comparison" and go to "latest" in search results, you'll see what I mean about the spike. A few of the reposts (scroll down a bit) have slide shows of the slides in the article.

Sorry, but here's the text below, but charts won't paste. Sort of makes my post useless, I'm afraid, unless one goes to X to see the charts. :roll:



Immigration is a polarizing issue in U.S. politics, and will almost certainly play a central role in the November presidential election. Illegal border crossings have averaged 2 million per year since 2021, the highest level ever.

Polls show broad public disapproval of how President Biden has handled the surge, and former president Donald Trump, who also faced criticism for his immigration policies, is running for office on promises to crack down and deport millions of people.

Trump’s opposition to senators’ recently failed $118 billion bipartisan border bill, tying border reforms to Ukraine aid, influenced many Republican legislators to reject it. It also dealt a potentially fatal blow to the possibility of new laws and tools that could reduce illegal crossings and ease strains on cities with overwhelmed shelters.

Here are 12 charts showing the state of the immigration system and the southern border under Biden compared to Trump:

Illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border
Illegal border crossings soared in the months after Biden took office and immediately rolled back many Trump-era restrictions. Biden warned that he’d still enforce immigration laws, and he temporarily kept in place a Trump pandemic policy known as Title 42 that allowed authorities to quickly expel border crossers.

The number of people taken into custody by the U.S. Border Patrol has reached the highest levels in the agency’s 100-year history under Biden, averaging 2 million per year. During the president’s first days in office, his administration announced it would not use the Title 42 policy to turn back unaccompanied minors who arrive without a parent or guardian. Their numbers began to shoot up almost immediately, and images of migrant children and teens packed shoulder-to-shoulder in detention facilities produced the administration’s first border emergency. Soon after, Biden assigned Vice President Harris to lead a new effort to address the “root causes” of Central American emigration.

Teens and children crossing without their parents continue to arrive at near-record numbers. Families and single adults have been arriving in historic numbers as well.

Migrants arriving across the U.S.-Mexico border are coming from a wider variety of countries than ever before. In 2019, the busiest year for border crossings under Trump, about 80 percent of migrants taken into U.S. custody were from Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras. Last year those three countries accounted for fewer than half of all border crossings.

Migrants from Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, Senegal and Mauritania — along with other nations in Africa, Europe and Asia — are crossing from Mexico in numbers U.S. authorities have never seen. For example, 14,965 migrants from China arrived across the southern border between October and December, Border Patrol data shows, up from 29 over that same period in 2020. The Border Patrol encountered 9,518 migrants from India during that same three-month span, compared to 56 during that period in 2020.


The challenge of processing, detaining and potentially deporting migrants from such a wide array of nations has strained the Biden administration, which has resorted to releasing migrants into the United States when facilities are overcrowded and requests for humanitarian protection can’t be resolved quickly.

Deportations, returns and expulsions
Since Title 42 ended in May, Biden officials have deported or returned roughly 500,000 people to Mexico and other countries, exceeding Trump’s totals, which averaged roughly 500,000 annually. But Biden’s higher numbers are partly the result of a much greater volume of illegal crossings.
Trump implemented the Title 42 policy at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic in March 2020 to rapidly expel border crossers without giving them a chance to seek U.S. protection. The Trump administration expelled the vast majority who entered the United States and border crossings remained relatively low.

Biden kept the policy in place and ended up expelling five times more border-crossers than Trump did, mainly because more migrants attempted to enter the United States during the period between Biden’s inauguration and May 2023 when he ended Title 42.
The Biden administration has released more than 2.3 million border crossers into the United States since 2021. The gap between the number of migrants taken into CBP custody versus the number of people who are sent back or deported has widened each of the last three years.

U.S. interior immigration enforcement
Border enforcement was among several policy that shifted from Trump’s term to Biden’s.
On Biden’s first day in office his administration ordered a pause on most arrests and deportations from the interior of the United States by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Trump had promised to deport “millions” of immigrants during his term but fell well short of that goal, despite giving ICE officers broad latitude to go after anyone without legal status in the United States. Deportations of migrants arrested by ICE averaged about 80,000 annually during Trump’s term.

Biden’s Department of Homeland Security issued new guidelines to ICE officers in 2021 directing them to prioritize national security threats, serious or violent criminals and recent border-crossers. Worksite enforcement — “raids” — were halted.
Deportations of migrants arrested by ICE have fallen to about 35,000 per year since Biden took office. Biden officials say they’re doing a better job targeting criminals who pose a threat to public safety, instead of detaining otherwise law-abiding immigrant workers.

Parole
Parole, in U.S. immigration law, is an executive power that allows the government to temporarily waive in migrants who don’t qualify for a visa. Biden has relied heavily on parole powers as the basis for his broader strategy to expand opportunities for migrants to reach the United States lawfully while toughening penalties against those who cross illegally.

The Trump administration used parole at times to alleviate severe overcrowding and help CBP process migrants faster. But Biden’s use of the authority is the most expansive in U.S. history. Republicans say his administration has exceeded its powers and parole was meant to be used sparingly on a case-by-case basis.
Biden officials say their implementation of a parole program in January 2023 allowing entry by 30,000 migrants per month from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela fleeing political repression and economic turmoil has reduced the border influx. Fewer Cubans, Haitians and Nicaraguans crossed the border illegally last year, but the program has been less successful with Venezuelans.

Refugees
Trump slashed U.S. refugee admissions and set the cap at 15,000 in 2021 — the lowest level since the 1980 Refugee Act. Biden promised to rebuild the program when he took office. While Biden has admitted more refugees than Trump did, his administration is still falling below the 125,000 annual cap it has set, in part due to the strains of so many border arrivals.
Naturalized citizens

Citizenship applications soared during Trump’s campaign and while in office after he vowed to curb immigration as president. By the end of his tenure, however, naturalizations lagged amid backlogs and financial struggles at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the agency that processes applications. In 2020, his administration instituted a new citizenship exam, which advocates said was more difficult to pass.

After Biden took office, he restored the old exam and encouraged more immigrants to apply for U.S. citizenship

An estimated 9 million legal permanent residents are eligible to become citizens, which allows them to serve on juries, apply for federal jobs and vote in U.S. elections.
Naturalizations climbed during Biden’s first two years in office but slumped last year. The number of new citizens taking the oath remains higher than during the Trump administration.
Immigration courts

The U.S. immigration court system — a branch of the Department of Justice — was facing a huge case backlog when Biden took office, and the backlog has almost doubled since then to nearly 2.5 million pending cases. Many migrants are seeking asylum, a humanitarian protection for people fleeing persecution. Some of the migrants who have crossed the border recently and asked for protection are being scheduled for court hearings more than five years away.

The inability of the system to settle cases quickly has become an incentive for additional illegal migration, because border crossers with weak asylum claims can file for protection and spend years living and working in the United States before having to worry about the risk of deportation.
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Gift link for the above article:

https://wapo.st/4eYejzI

Then you can see the charts...
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:59 pm Gift link for the above article:

https://wapo.st/4eYejzI

Then you can see the charts...
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:59 pm Gift link for the above article:

https://wapo.st/4eYejzI

Then you can see the charts...
... doesn't exactly tell the lie the republiCONs want to spread -- but they will go on spreading the lie. :roll:
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The biggest problem with immigration is that we have made it so tough to immigrate legally that the not legal route becomes the default.

In reality, immigration is actually good for the country and the economy, and the sooner we fix the system so there are more routes to come in and stay legally there will be this problem.

The current economy relies too heavily on the current crop of those who did not come in legally so any Trump threatened deportation will really come with a big negative economic impact.
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:14 pm The biggest problem with immigration is that we have made it so tough to immigrate legally that the not legal route becomes the default.

In reality, immigration is actually good for the country and the economy, and the sooner we fix the system so there are more routes to come in and stay legally there will be this problem.

The current economy relies too heavily on the current crop of those who did not come in legally so any Trump threatened deportation will really come with a big negative economic impact.
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Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
None of what you say about statistics and lower crime rates mean diddly to someone who has had a loved one become a victim of a bad actor who had no business being in this country. One inarguable fact that can't be denied... you can't commit the crime in the first place if your not allowed into the country to begin with. Not that it matters because statistically.... :roll:
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cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:15 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
None of what you say about statistics and lower crime rates mean diddly to someone who has had a loved one become a victim of a bad actor who had no business being in this country. One inarguable fact that can't be denied... you can't commit the crime in the first place if your not allowed into the country to begin with. Not that it matters because statistically.... :roll:
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
Maybe we could export felonious Americans to the countries of origin in pro rata sections?
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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:47 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:46 pm Does that mean we shouldn't deport the bad actors who murder, rob, rape and smuggle drugs into the country?
No. Deporting someone who commits a crime and is not a citizen is fine with almost anyone.

Having said that, note that undocumented people have lower crime rates for all types of crime than either legal immigrants or native-born Americans.
Maybe we could export felonious Americans to the countries of origin in pro rata sections?
There is always comfort for the family when they know the deed was done by a red blooded American. 🇺🇸
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