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[MDlaxfan76]

Some anti-semites think they know 'history'...interesting, and oh so revealing.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... omes-from/

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20 ... k-lynching

But haters gonna hate.

Here's, the quote he likes...probably thinks it's from Voltaire...let's see if he admits who it's actually from.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34971951

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-872903898775

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-ch ... L1N2UE2LM/

Here are the links.

Also, the question about the quote you like...

[njbill]

The postponement of Trump‘s sentencing in the New York criminal case is not good news for him, at least in terms of timing.

If he had been sentenced on the date originally set in July, the resultant bad publicity would have been superseded to an extent during and after the Republican Convention and the Democratic Convention.

Now the sentencing will take place only seven weeks before the election and will be after the next debate.

Plus, I think it is quite possible that the DC judge will be holding the hearings in September or October required by the Supreme Court decision to determine which evidence can and cannot be admitted at trial. Probably will be lots of bad evidence being highlighted by the press during those hearings.

[JoeMauer89]

Let's see your 'sources'.

This is all started because I called trump a Zionist. Aipac has given him how much?

Did you check out the official ADL website I just sent?

Will PM links later if you're genuinely interested/open minded.

Do you agree with Hitler's Final Solution for the Jews? Yes or No?

You're doing that assuming thing. This is gonna sound crazy... but my fathers side is all jewish. I had relatives that lived through the holocaust. Doesn't mean I stand with Zionism or think that AIPAC should be donating to every political candidate that will support their agenda....

I wasn't the one who asked that question re Final Solution.

Interesting re your claim to be Jewish. I'd cast some doubt on ONW's being such, given that his stridency on the issues sounded way more like an evangelical Christian than someone with any exposure to the variety of Jewish perspectives on a host of things he'd expressed. I may be correct. Might not be.

I gotta say that if you consider yourself Jewish at all, your anti-semitism is pretty darn strident. Perhaps your father or uncles beat you? Serious question, where's your anti-semitism come from?

I dunno, but the lack of awareness of anti-semitic tropes and claims as indeed anti-semitic makes it pretty darn unlikely that you ever looked at the issues from a Jewish perspective...of for that matter with any empathy at all.

Certainly, all sorts of Jews, though a small minority of the whole, don't support Zionism. But not all Zionists, indeed a minority, support the Netanyahu and right wing approach to expansion of Israel's control and dismissal of a two state solution.

I don't recall if you did or did not call Trump a zionist. I joined in only after it got quite heated, and downright dumb IMO.

I have no idea whether AIPAC supports Trump, but I do think they are smart enough to know he's a useful tool for those who hate Islam, and there's some common policy gains to be had with him. But as for his own comprehension of anything beyond what will help himself, any knowledge of the complexities of the issues...he displays no such comprehension or knowledge....just spouts what people tell him will garner support and dollars.

And no, I didn't see any link, but I'm certainly familiar with ADL's website.

Did you address the links I provided?

And no, please don't PM me.
If you want to post publicly your cites, go ahead.
But you're fast losing anyone wanting to engage with you.

MD,

"I gotta say that if you consider yourself Jewish at all, your anti-semitism is pretty darn strident. Perhaps your father or uncles beat you? Serious question, where's your anti-semitism come from?"

This is beyond inappropriate. The fact that you can't see that is mind-boggling. Or maybe you just don't want to.

Joe

[NattyBohChamps04]

New Epstein docs unsealed.

Trump forced 12 year olds to perform sex acts for him? Docs from the grand jury, or what? Same girl(s) he allegedly threatened their families in order to get the case withdrawn? Curious.

https://x.com/RachelBitecofer/status/18 ... PQ3pA&s=19

[old salt]

New Epstein docs unsealed.

Trump forced 12 year olds to perform sex acts for him? Docs from the grand jury, or what? Same girl(s) he allegedly threatened their families in order to get the case withdrawn? Curious.

https://x.com/RachelBitecofer/status/18 ... PQ3pA&s=19

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/ ... ped-230770

https://sacramento.newsreview.com/2019/ ... ly-exists/

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-do- ... lt-1857863
...from a dismissed legal filing that was dropped more than seven years ago.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article ... trump.html
UPDATED JULY 2, 2024
...while Trump and Bill Clinton (who have both denied any Epstein-related wrongdoing) were mentioned in the court documents released in early 2024, there was no smoking gun.

On January 3, 2024, Trump’s spokesperson Steven Cheung offered a terse statement on the newly released documents, telling Newsweek that any claims about Trump’s relationship with Epstein had already been “thoroughly debunked.”

In 2016 a woman who went by the pseudonyms Katie Johnson and Jane Doe in legal filings accused Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13, during an orgy held at Epstein’s home in Manhattan. She accused Epstein of raping her as well.

Three suits were filed over the same allegations; the first was dismissed for failure to properly state a claim, and the other two were voluntarily dismissed. The third case was withdrawn just days before the 2016 election, and the accuser canceled a press conference at the last minute. Her attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and, “She has decided she is too afraid to show her face … She is in terrible fear.”

The circumstances around the case were bizarre, as Vox summarized at the time:

It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

Those shady characters — a former reality-TV producer who calls himself Al Taylor and a Never Trump conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

The final batch of documents from Giuffre’s settled 2015 defamation lawsuit was released in January. But other Epstein-related court records could still be made public.

On February 29, 2024, Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed legislation that paved the way for the release of grand-jury evidence and testimony from a 2006 Florida investigation into Epstein’s abuse of underage girls. The law says grand-jury records, which are usually secret, can be made public under limited circumstances.

Judge Luis Delgado ordered the records released on July 1, the day the new law went into effect.

[njbill]

The Manhattan rape of the underage girl is not a new story. Yes, the lawsuit was dismissed, most likely because Trump paid her off. The allegations have never been disproved or debunked. Trump has never denied them in testimony under oath.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Yep, not a new case. Just disgusting seeing more details emerge.

Trump is a rapist and sexual predator. That's already been established in court and by his own words. The question is how far has he gone? You can be skeptical of a one-off accusation. But when dozens of women and multiple underage accounts are there...

And was this case a pay off or dropped on threats of violence?

[njbill]

Trump did threaten to kill her, according to her attorney. I have always thought that it was a combination of the two: money and threats.

[Typical Lax Dad]

New Epstein docs unsealed.

Trump forced 12 year olds to perform sex acts for him? Docs from the grand jury, or what? Same girl(s) he allegedly threatened their families in order to get the case withdrawn? Curious.

https://x.com/RachelBitecofer/status/18 ... PQ3pA&s=19

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/ ... ped-230770

https://sacramento.newsreview.com/2019/ ... ly-exists/

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-do- ... lt-1857863
...from a dismissed legal filing that was dropped more than seven years ago.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article ... trump.html
UPDATED JULY 2, 2024
...while Trump and Bill Clinton (who have both denied any Epstein-related wrongdoing) were mentioned in the court documents released in early 2024, there was no smoking gun.

On January 3, 2024, Trump’s spokesperson Steven Cheung offered a terse statement on the newly released documents, telling Newsweek that any claims about Trump’s relationship with Epstein had already been “thoroughly debunked.”

In 2016 a woman who went by the pseudonyms Katie Johnson and Jane Doe in legal filings accused Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13, during an orgy held at Epstein’s home in Manhattan. She accused Epstein of raping her as well.

Three suits were filed over the same allegations; the first was dismissed for failure to properly state a claim, and the other two were voluntarily dismissed. The third case was withdrawn just days before the 2016 election, and the accuser canceled a press conference at the last minute. Her attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and, “She has decided she is too afraid to show her face … She is in terrible fear.”

The circumstances around the case were bizarre, as Vox summarized at the time:

It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

Those shady characters — a former reality-TV producer who calls himself Al Taylor and a Never Trump conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

The final batch of documents from Giuffre’s settled 2015 defamation lawsuit was released in January. But other Epstein-related court records could still be made public.

On February 29, 2024, Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed legislation that paved the way for the release of grand-jury evidence and testimony from a 2006 Florida investigation into Epstein’s abuse of underage girls. The law says grand-jury records, which are usually secret, can be made public under limited circumstances.

Judge Luis Delgado ordered the records released on July 1, the day the new law went into effect.

You are quick to defend your boy’s honor.

[njbill]

You can be skeptical of a one-off accusation. But when dozens of women and multiple underage accounts are there...

Yep. The other day I listed some of Trump‘s sordid history with underage girls.

There are multiple more public allegations about adult women.

Let’s start with his first wife, Ivana. She testified in a deposition that Trump raped her. Later, in return for receiving $13-14 million in their divorce settlement, she recanted her use of the word “rape.” But she never recanted or denied that the incident had happened in the manner she had described it in her testimony under oath.

In her deposition, she said Trump forcibly pushed her against a wall, slamming her head against the wall. He then forced himself on her and had intercourse against her will. She never recanted her account of the details of the assault.

That’s rape, ladies and gentlemen, pure and simple, whether or not you use the word in describing what happened.

Remember Michael Cohen’s defense of this at the time – that a husband could rape his wife and it wasn’t illegal? Quickly debunked when it was pointed out that that was not true under New York law.

Then there is Carroll whom a jury twice concluded had been raped by Trump.

Trump, of course, admitted on the Access Hollywood tape that he sexually assaults women.

Of course, there are many, many more. Wouldn’t surprise me if additional women came out of the woodwork this fall. You can bet your bottom dollar Trump‘s history of raping and assaulting women will be emphasized in the campaign this fall.

[GaitsRightHand]

They literally represent a foreign country... why are they lobbying our government?

AIPAC does not represent the Israeli government or act as its diplomatic representative. It advocates for specific policies and U.S.-Israel relations within the framework of American political advocacy. More than this, AIPAC operates within the legal boundaries of lobbying in the United States. It discloses its activities and expenditures as required by law, and its efforts are focused on influencing U.S. policy decisions through advocacy and education. AIPAC exist to ensure that diverse interests, including those related to foreign policy and international relations, are represented in the democratic process. They provide a platform for American citizens and residents who support strong U.S.-Israel relations to engage with elected officials. Many countries have organizations that engage in lobbying efforts to promote their interests in the United States and other countries. AIPAC's advocacy for Israel is part of a broader landscape of international relations and diplomatic activities.

This is a long winded way to say AIPAC has ties to Israel and represents Israel’s interests (and can pay any politician to do the same). Plus being a privately funded organization... well, they have quite a bit of money to throw at these politicians. KY Congressmen Thomas Massie went on record recently saying that he's the only Republican Congressman without an AIPAC handler. Meaning every other Republican in Congress has an "AIPAC person" they have to report to or meet with. https://x.com/mjtruthultra/status/17992 ... 7dHMDbF_Jw (https://x.com/mjtruthultra/status/17992 ... 7dHMDbF_Jw)

JFK wanted Israel to register as a Foreign Agent under the FARA agreement- Back then it was called the American Zionist council and it was funded by the Jewish Agency for Israel and thereby acting on behalf of Israel. After his assassination, the DOJ later withdrew its demand. https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/. Jack Ruby aka Rubenstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby) even says he did it for the Jewish People.. Rabbi Silverman: "I was shocked. I visited him the next day in jail, and I said ‘Why, Jack, why?’ He said, ‘I did it for the American people.’”
I interrupted Silverman at that point, as I’d read other reports in which Ruby said he did it “to show that Jews had guts.” The rabbi sighed. “Yes, he mentioned that. But I don’t like to mention it. I think he said, ‘I did it for the Jewish people.’ But I’ve tried to wipe that statement from my mind.” https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-739082

AIPAC may not necessarily "represent the Israeli government" but a lot of their policies align closely with what the Israeli Govt's policies already are or what they want for the future...
Ex/ Sending $310B in Foreign Aid (since 1948) to strengthen their economy and military. https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-isra ... assistance (https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-isra ... assistance).
Demanding the US to back them in any/every foreign forum like the UN.
Forcing the US to back Israel at all costs... ex/ vs Iraq, vs Iran, Oct 7th Retaliation, USS Liberty Incident, etc.
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/26/8114221/n ... -iraq-2002
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001359216.pdf (https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001359216.pdf)

They've blurred the lines between America's interests and Israel's interests for so long that we're all used to it and can't differentiate. AIPAC can say that they keep everything by the book but they exert a significant amount of influence/force on US foreign policy- a lot more than other lobbying groups. AIPAC will continue to do what it does, but it NEEDS the US to help balance the Middle East geopolitics. Especially in today's climate. Let's keep our tax money in the US and let's stay out of other peoples wars.

https://x.com/AIPAC/status/1803425009509056935/photo/1 (https://x.com/AIPAC/status/1803425009509056935/photo/1)

[Matnum PI]

... Let's keep our tax money in the US and let's stay out of other peoples wars.

You can say this (above) which is a viable opinion without inserting a plethora of conspiracy theories. Some of which smell a lot like anti-Semitic diatribes. As a semi-aside, just for clarity, Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald... who killed JFK. Ruby did not kill JFK. Similarly, Jack Ruby, though born a Jew, had a miniscule if no connection to the Jewish community. Add to this, Jack Ruby was certifiably not sane. The conspiracy you're trying to paint is both false and silly.

[MDlaxfan76]

Let's see your 'sources'.

This is all started because I called trump a Zionist. Aipac has given him how much?

Did you check out the official ADL website I just sent?

Will PM links later if you're genuinely interested/open minded.

Do you agree with Hitler's Final Solution for the Jews? Yes or No?

You're doing that assuming thing. This is gonna sound crazy... but my fathers side is all jewish. I had relatives that lived through the holocaust. Doesn't mean I stand with Zionism or think that AIPAC should be donating to every political candidate that will support their agenda....

I wasn't the one who asked that question re Final Solution.

Interesting re your claim to be Jewish. I'd cast some doubt on ONW's being such, given that his stridency on the issues sounded way more like an evangelical Christian than someone with any exposure to the variety of Jewish perspectives on a host of things he'd expressed. I may be correct. Might not be.

I gotta say that if you consider yourself Jewish at all, your anti-semitism is pretty darn strident. Perhaps your father or uncles beat you? Serious question, where's your anti-semitism come from?

I dunno, but the lack of awareness of anti-semitic tropes and claims as indeed anti-semitic makes it pretty darn unlikely that you ever looked at the issues from a Jewish perspective...of for that matter with any empathy at all.

Certainly, all sorts of Jews, though a small minority of the whole, don't support Zionism. But not all Zionists, indeed a minority, support the Netanyahu and right wing approach to expansion of Israel's control and dismissal of a two state solution.

I don't recall if you did or did not call Trump a zionist. I joined in only after it got quite heated, and downright dumb IMO.

I have no idea whether AIPAC supports Trump, but I do think they are smart enough to know he's a useful tool for those who hate Islam, and there's some common policy gains to be had with him. But as for his own comprehension of anything beyond what will help himself, any knowledge of the complexities of the issues...he displays no such comprehension or knowledge....just spouts what people tell him will garner support and dollars.

And no, I didn't see any link, but I'm certainly familiar with ADL's website.

Did you address the links I provided?

And no, please don't PM me.
If you want to post publicly your cites, go ahead.
But you're fast losing anyone wanting to engage with you.

MD,

"I gotta say that if you consider yourself Jewish at all, your anti-semitism is pretty darn strident. Perhaps your father or uncles beat you? Serious question, where's your anti-semitism come from?"

This is beyond inappropriate. The fact that you can't see that is mind-boggling. Or maybe you just don't want to.

Joe

The anti-semitism he's expressed is pretty darn off the chart, Joe.

If you don't think so, maybe you need some education on the topic, but my guess is that you just haven't followed the discussion and are just reacting to the tartness of my question. It's indeed sharp. Not typical for me, but yeah, this level of bigotry bothers me.

There are indeed some folks who have some Jewish heritage who have very, very negative views of Jews and some very warped views about the Holocaust. Depends on how they''re raised.

He quoted, admiringly, a Holocaust denier, rabid anti-semite.
And numerous tropes of white christian nationalists, Neo-Nazi level garbage.

[GaitsRightHand]

... Let's keep our tax money in the US and let's stay out of other peoples wars.

You can say this (above) which is a viable opinion without inserting a plethora of conspiracy theories. Some of which smell a lot like anti-Semitic diatribes. As a semi-aside, just for clarity, Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald... who killed JFK. Ruby did not kill JFK. Similarly, Jack Ruby, though born a Jew, had a miniscule if no connection to the Jewish community. Add to this, Jack Ruby was certifiably not sane. The conspiracy you're trying to paint is both false and silly.

Yes- I know Oswald killed JFK, and Ruby killed Oswald.

Genuinely asking, which part is the conspiracy? I just linked a Jerusalem Post article for my "conspiracy theory"- why would they lie about the situation?

This is the issue I see, any time someone is critical of Israel.... Guess what they're called... conspiracy theorist or an antisemite. Or they get cancelled. Why?

Similarly, Jack Ruby, though born a Jew, had a miniscule if no connection to the Jewish community. Add to this, Jack Ruby was certifiably not sane. The conspiracy you're trying to paint is both false and silly.

“If you want to know about my brother, Jack Ruby, you should talk to Hillel Silverman. He was our rabbi in Dallas for 10 years before President Kennedy’s assassination, and he knew Jack very well.” - First sentence of article I linked.
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-739082

[Matnum PI]

“If you want to know about my brother, Jack Ruby, you should talk to Hillel Silverman. He was our rabbi in Dallas for 10 years before President Kennedy’s assassination, and he knew Jack very well.” - First sentence of article I linked.

Ruby's father died. He turned to the local rabbi to get information about saying Kaddish. This is a far cry from being connected to the Jewish community. Ruby was as Jewish as a pork sausage. With no insult intended, Ruby was similarly as Jewish as you are.

The conspiracy is that a Jewish cabal assassinated JFK.

[Matnum PI]

The anti-semitism he's expressed is pretty darn off the chart, Joe...

What I find fascinating is that post-ers within the lacrosse threads are seemingly bright, competent, insightful, etc. and then they post some of their more personal views and, it's like, wow. Not different views. I love diversity of thought. Just off the chart thoughts. There's something amazing about this to me. Kind of like seeing your general practitioner (who you like very much) on TV at a White Nationalists Rally. Something so strange about it. It's like they're being out-ed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The anti-semitism he's expressed is pretty darn off the chart, Joe...

What I find fascinating is that post-ers within the lacrosse threads are seemingly bright, competent, insightful, etc. and then they post some of their more personal views and, it's like, wow. Not different views. I love diversity of thought. Just off the chart thoughts. There's something amazing about this to me. Kind of like seeing your general practitioner (who you like very much) on TV at a White Nationalists Rally. Something so strange about it. It's like they're being out-ed.

I don’t understand it….if something bothers a group of people and they explain why, I take it that they know more than I do about the subject and support them. I wish this conflict is resolved sooner rather than later because I feel bad for the everyday people suffering the consequences of actions beyond their control or actions they don’t support.

[GaitsRightHand]

“If you want to know about my brother, Jack Ruby, you should talk to Hillel Silverman. He was our rabbi in Dallas for 10 years before President Kennedy’s assassination, and he knew Jack very well.” - First sentence of article I linked.

Ruby's father died. He turned to the local rabbi to get information about saying Kaddish. This is a far cry from being connected to the Jewish community. Ruby was as Jewish as a pork sausage. With no insult intended, Ruby was similarly as Jewish as you are.

The conspiracy is that a Jewish cabal assassinated JFK.

The header of the article I linked says: Jack Ruby, a nightclub owner with links to the Mafia, was one of Silverman's congregants.

Legal Definition of Congregant- a member of a congregation, especially that of a church or synagogue.

So he was a part of the congregation and had a relationship with the Rabbi for 10 years... I don't understand how you can deny that he was a part of the Jewish community...

BTW, Jack Ruby's Dad died in 1958... The article says: "He was our rabbi in Dallas for 10 years (1953-1963) before President Kennedy’s assassination, and he knew Jack very well." Meaning that he was associated with this Rabbi 5 years before his dad died.

The "conspiracies" will keep coming as documents are released under the FOIA.
Here's an interesting one... The CIA monitor on Oswald was a Jewish spy. (I don't expect you to read it).

“The memo shows that high-level CIA officers were interested in the smallest details of Oswald’s life 17 months before Kennedy was killed,” Jefferson Morley, an author of multiple books about the CIA, and about Kennedy, said on his blog, JFK Facts, after the revelation. “If Oswald was the ‘lone gunman,’ as a substantial minority of Americans believe, the clandestine service had much more access to his personal information than most know.” (17 months before?! Just weird coincidence, I assume).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-jfk-d ... ben-efron/

The breadcrumbs are there. You just have to do your own research. I'd link more but it doesn't seem like you've read the last one.

If you truly believe every history book word for word and/or blindly believe our government/foreign intelligence agencies wouldn't keep secrets from us... then I have some beach property in Idaho to sell you. Everyone on here is quick to complain about Trump, Biden, and RFK. But turn a blind eye to our own government. As if they're not just as shady as the 3 candidates.

[a fan]

This is the issue I see, any time someone is critical of Israel.... Guess what they're called... conspiracy theorist or an antisemite. Or they get cancelled. Why?

Plenty of people are critical of Israel here. I'd go so far as to say most here aren't at all happy with the right wing elements in Bibi's party.

But that's not what you're doing. You're strapping on the TinFoilHat.

Here's a question: name a conspiracy where you like the outcome, and like the people involved in the conspiracy?

Good luck. When you realize you can't name one, then you realize that every one of these theories start with hating a specific person or group, and searching around for reasons why the person or group did whatever is claimed.

And dude.....you just listed every major media company, and then told the Forum that they're all owned by Zionists.

You're 1000% wrong. Not one of them is. And when you're given actual facts, and you don't say "yeah, my bad, I misspoke"....folks here are going to come to conclusions about you and your posts.


You don't like what Israel is doing? Great. Tell us. But leave out the stuff you can find on any WhitePower website in the deep corners of the internet.

Then we can discuss ideas just fine.

You asked, I answered.

[jhu72]

I'm retracting this.

Condoning the Jew-hating racists at Charlottesville by not ripping and condemning them when given the opportunity.

The "very fine people" comments were obviously taken out of context. That's what I based my conclusion on. I should have know better.

And the quote from that press conference that changed my mind:

"I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... ne-people/

.... this is bullsh*t there Goebbels.