Mind boggling to me that those are our choices.
Oh Lordy, Lordy.
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Thanks, I recalled but couldn't remember which, that it had happened a couple of times. Just not in the last 100 + years.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:20 pmYour comment in bold piqued my interest. Along with Trump in 2016 and GWB only two other countrywide popular pluralities lost: Tilden to Hayes in 1876 and Cleveland to Harrison in 1888. I was surprised that Hayes' "win" was with 3% less of the popular vote than Tilden while Trump took 2.09% less than Hillary. (Source - United States Election Project.)MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:11 pmHaven't both the last two Presidential elections broken records for votes cast?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:59 amThe number of people becoming increasingly dissalusioned with BOTH political parties is a big reason why people are not coming out to vote. IMO they have enough of the same old same old same old. An infusion of fresh blood is desperately needed. Joe and trump don't exactly fit that bill. Hell, one of them isn't a politician by trade.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:52 pmhttps://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... oter-frauda fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:48 pmI'm not handing you partisan stuff, my man. I'm telling you what's coming, and giving you an honest answer.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:43 pmEnough with the partisan stuff. Who cares which side wins or loses….the question is about voting concerns and validity of ballot accounting.a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:13 pmDepends on whether or not the Republican loses, and you know it.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:57 am WIll this be an issue in the outcome of the 2024 election, and should it concern us all? Seems to tie in to the question elsewhere on these boards about how many illegal/undocumented have arrived and where they are, currently.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/us-news/h ... o-stop-it/
Reality doesn't matter anymore. Keep trying to tell you and the other R's here.....you guys let these idiots into your tent, and you will NEVER get them out.
And if Trump loses? The nutjobs will get more and more extreme....and the new Trumps in America at all levels of government will take advantage of their stupidity.
You STILL think that Trumpism will go away. I don't get what needs to happen for you to wake up.
Have you noticed your team is back taking lessons from Hungarian fascists? Learning how to dismantle the Civil Service and Federal workers that have kept our nation running since, well, you know....?
You and your fellow Republican voters are allowing these shenanigans because you think that you're gonna get "conservative outcomes" from Trump. It has never once occurred to you that you're going to get a whole mess of outcomes that you don't like. Reminder: Trump ain't a conservative. And he's learned from the last go around that he didn't have enough toadies in place to do his bidding, and do it quickly.
May not be the end of the world, sure.....but I can easily see him putting the nail into the working class and poor, and a whooooole mess of other negative long term consequence when it comes to the boring-as-hell day to day operations of our great Nation.
Feel free to ignore, but we both know what's coming from your team if Trump loses. And I'm telling you that RepublicanTeamTinFoil has rendered real, actual, honest election security 100% irrelevant.
And I'm telling you this because this game is 1,000 times more dangerous than real problems with election security. The adults have been, and will continue to work on election security in each voting district in America. Same as it ever was. Don't believe me? Go visit yours, and ask questions.
Getting more people to vote should be the priority, but it isn’t.
2016 was close to 2008 and 2012 numbers, but 2020 was a big increase in total turnout.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statist ... tions/2020
Maybe you mean "some" "people are not coming out to vote"? Always the case that there are people disillusioned by politics.
I quite agree re fresh blood. One might argue that Obama was the reason for a sizable turnout increase in 2008 over 2004.
But "fresh blood" just ain't happening in 2024.
More important to actual democracy, though, is that, except for the very narrow loss of popular vote by Bush in 2000, we have pretty nearly always have had the popular vote winner be the elected President. Indeed, we looked at the margin of the win to see what kind of "mandate" the voters were indicating.
That changed in 2016 by an important margin the other way, with Trump winning over Clinton despite solidly losing the popular vote.
The differential needed to be even larger in 2020 for Biden to prevail, as Trump actually expanded his own vote count.
Meaning that a heck of a lot more people came out to vote for both, just many more for Biden.
Mandate level vote differential.
But if Trump wins in 2024, it very likely will be again despite a loss of the popular vote.
That'll mean that, like 2016, a minority of Americans will have elected the President.
And the hard-core of that minority is VERY aware that their power is not gained by nationwide popular support.
They don't care.
So, we now have one of the parties, which is now owned by that hard-core minority lock stock and barrel, which no longer fairly focuses on seeking political power through the nationwide popularity of their policies. And they have abandoned the fundamental premise of fair dispute of facts and logic, and have instead adopted rhetoric and disinformation, and if necessary violence, as their tools of 'persuasion'. They are in full-on attack mode of all institutions and norms which undergird democracy, most importantly the rule of law not rulers, but also all forms of earned expertise.
Which gets us back to the genesis of the Electoral College process and why it created so much more power for lesser populated (by whites) states, particularly at the time slave-holding states.
There is no doubt to my mind that the intentions of this minority are as despicable as those who insisted on the continuation of slavery and the return of white supremacy power through Jim Crow, both under the rubric of "states rights".
Also interesting to note from that same source was the 2020 voter turnout was the highest since 1900 when McKinley beat Bryan. Lots of folk didn't want Trump. Hopefully that's still the case. ABT.
Sad and Crazy.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 6:26 am The disinformation ecosystem and the 2024 election:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/opin ... itter.html
"In 2020, the Stanford Internet Observatory, where I was until recently the research director, helped lead a project that studied election rumors and disinformation. As part of that work, we frequently encountered conspiratorial thinking from Americans who had been told the 2020 presidential election was going to be stolen.
The way theories of “the steal” went viral was eerily routine. First, an image or video, such as a photo of a suitcase near a polling place, was posted as evidence of wrongdoing. The poster would tweet the purported evidence, tagging partisan influencers or media accounts with large followings. Those accounts would promote the rumor, often claiming, “Big if true!” Others would join and the algorithms would push it out to potentially millions more. Partisan media would follow.
If the rumor was found to be false — and it usually was — corrections were rarely made and even then, little noticed. The belief that “the steal” was real led directly to the events of Jan. 6, 2021.
Within a couple of years, the same online rumor mill turned its attention to us — the very researchers who documented it. This spells trouble for the 2024 election.
For us, it started with claims that our work was a plot to censor the right. The first came from a blog related to the Foundation for Freedom Online, the project of a man who said he “ran cyber” at the State Department. This person, an alt-right YouTube personality who’d gone by the handle Frame Game, had been employed by the State Department for just a couple of months.
Using his brief affiliation as a marker of authority, he wrote blog posts styled as research reports contending that our project, the Election Integrity Partnership, had pushed social media networks to censor 22 million tweets. He had no firsthand evidence of any censorship, however: his number was based on a simple tally of viral election rumors that we’d counted and published in a report after the election was over. Right-wing media outlets and influencers nonetheless called it evidence of a plot to steal the election, and their followers followed suit.
Here’s what we actually did: Teams of student analysts identified social media posts that were potentially misleading the public about voting procedures, or which tried to delegitimize the outcome of an election. Sometimes a nonprofit clearinghouse that included state and local election officials shared with us posts that concerned them. In some cases, if a post we examined appeared to be going viral, and appeared to violate a social media platform’s election policies, we let the companies know. Most of the time, the platforms took no action; when they did act, it was primarily to label the post as disputed, or to attach a fact check.
The real impact of the rumors about us came offline. After the House flipped to Republican control in 2022, the investigations began. The “22 million tweets” claim was entered into the congressional record by witnesses during a March 2023 hearing of a House Judiciary subcommittee. Two Republican members of the subcommittee, Jim Jordan and Dan Bishop, sent letters demanding our correspondence with the executive branch and with technology companies as part of an investigation into our role in a Biden “censorship regime.” Subpoenas soon followed, and the investigations eventually expanded to requesting that our staff submit to closed-door video-recorded testimonies. That included students who worked on the project.
It was obvious to us what would happen next: The documents we turned over would be leaked and sentences cherry-picked to fit a pre-existing narrative. This supposed evidence would be fodder for hyperpartisan influencers, and the process would begin again. Indeed, this is precisely what happened, albeit with a wrinkle. Material the subcommittee obtained under subpoena or in closed-door hearings ended up in the hands of a right-wing group that had sued us, which was led by Mr. Jordan’s longtime ideological ally Stephen Miller. We do not know how.
This brings us to the present, when another election looms. The 2024 rerun is already being viciously fought. Since 2020, the technological landscape has shifted. There are new social media platforms in the mix, such as Bluesky, Threads and Truth Social. Election integrity policies and enforcement priorities are in flux at some of the biggest platforms. What used to be Twitter is under new ownership and most of the team that focused on trust and safety was let go.
Fake audio generated by artificial intelligence has already been deployed in a European election, and A.I.-powered chatbots are posting on social-media platforms. Overseas players continue to run influence operations to interfere in American politics; in recent weeks, OpenAI has confirmed that Russia, China and others have begun to use generative text tools to improve the quality and quantity of their efforts.
Offline, trust in institutions, government, media and fellow citizens is at or near record lows and polarization continues to increase. Election officials are concerned about the safety of poll workers and election administrators — perhaps the most terrible illustration of the cost of lies on our politics.
As we enter the final stretch of the 2024 campaign, it will not be other countries that are likely to have the greatest impact. Rather, it will once again be the domestic rumor mill. The networks spreading misleading notions remain stronger than ever, while the networks of researchers and observers who worked to counter them are being dismantled.
Universities and institutions have struggled to understand and adapt to lies about their work, often remaining silent and allowing false claims to ossify. Lies about academic projects are now matters of established fact within bespoke partisan realities.
Costs, both financial and psychological, have mounted. Stanford is refocusing the work of the Observatory and has ended the Election Integrity Partnership’s rapid-response election observation work. Employees including me did not have their contracts renewed.
This is disappointing, though not entirely surprising. The investigations have led to threats and sustained harassment for researchers who find themselves the focus of congressional attention. Misleading media claims have put students in the position of facing retribution for an academic research project. Even technology companies no longer appear to be acting together to disrupt election influence operations by foreign countries on their platforms.
Republican members of the House Judiciary subcommittee reacted to the Stanford news by saying their “robust oversight” over the center had resulted in a “big win” for free speech. This is an alarming statement for government officials to make about a private research institution with First Amendment rights.
The work of studying election delegitimization and supporting election officials is more important than ever. It is crucial that we not only stand resolute but speak out forcefully against intimidation tactics intended to silence us and discredit academic research. We cannot allow fear to undermine our commitment to safeguarding the democratic process."
Except they do not. As a Greek philosopher once taught “ you cannot step into the same river twice”cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:28 pmAnd the more things change the more they stay the same.OCanada wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:18 pm “ Unless those deceased voters find a way to come back from the dead to vote. Alot of them managed to do so in Chicago when they voted for JFK.Never say never...”
Time stands still? 1960? More than 60 years ago. Why not go back to 1800? A lot has changed since 1960.
That must have been a one legged Greek philosopher.OCanada wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:51 pmExcept they do not. As a Greek philosopher once taught “ you cannot step into the same river twice”cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:28 pmAnd the more things change the more they stay the same.OCanada wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:18 pm “ Unless those deceased voters find a way to come back from the dead to vote. Alot of them managed to do so in Chicago when they voted for JFK.Never say never...”
Time stands still? 1960? More than 60 years ago. Why not go back to 1800? A lot has changed since 1960.
You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:41 am A little lighter fare regarding the debate tonight. I recall reading Wiseguy, the book from which Goodfellas was made, where Hill says Mob guys used to bet on anything. He wrote that sometimes, if they happened to see two birds on a telephone cable, would bet on which bird would fly off first. From the betting angle, here's a lighter look at the debate.
Can You Bet On The Biden-Trump CNN Presidential Debate?
By Brian Pempus, Editor
Jun 24, 2024
Betting directly on politics hasn’t been legalized anywhere in the U.S., and that includes any outcomes from the June 27 debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.
On numerous betting platforms in countries where betting on politics is allowed, Trump is the slight odds favorite to win the November election.
Odds could change following their first scheduled meeting this election cycle.
CNN will host the first presidential debate this year between the incumbent president and former president. One well-known offshore gambling site has odds on who will “win” the debate.
Here are some key details of the debate:
Hosts: CNN’s Jake Tapper and Dana Bash
Location: Atlanta
Duration: 90 minutes
Commercial Breaks: Two
Live Audience: No
Podium Position: Coin Flip
Trump Favored Over Biden
At BetOnline, which can’t operate legally in the U.S. and is therefore risky for American consumers, Trump is a -140 favorite to win the debate, compared to +100 for Biden.
The gambling site will use polling “co-sanctioned with CNN” to determine a winner. “If no such poll, any from YouGov, Ipsos or aggregate of those two if necessary,” the betting market rule stated. “If none of those three, bets are void.”
How is the debate poll conducted? After the final debate in 2020, CNN conducted an “instant poll” of debate watchers. The CNN post-debate poll was conducted by SSRS by telephone and included interviews with 585 registered voters who watched the debate. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 5.7 percentage points.
Overall, 53% of debate watchers said that then-candidate Biden won, while 39% said that President Trump did.
Debate Odds Only for Entertainment
Unfortunately, wagering with offshore betting sites is not recommended if you’re in the U.S., as they aren’t regulated like U.S. sportsbooks. For example, in May, the Michigan Gaming Control Board sent a cease-and-desist letter to the operator of Bovada, another prominent offshore betting site taking political bets.
Michigan is one of more than 30 states that have legalized sports betting.
According to trading on Polymarket, a crypto-based platform that facilitates legal trading outside the U.S. on current events, there’s a 5% chance the first debate is canceled. More than $500,000 has been bet on this market. Polymarket geo-blocks U.S.-based users.
Another market, albeit much smaller with just $19,000 wagered, was whether Biden and Trump would shake hands before the debate, with “yes” at only 32%.
Gamblers have also risked more than $100,000 on what Trump will say during the debate. Below were the probabilities on Polymarket as of Monday, June 24:
“Fake News”: 65%
“Dementia”: 14%
“Crack”: 24%
“Felon”: 35%
“Sleepy Joe”: 24%
“Hunter”: 65%
“Jail/Prison”: 69%
“Abortion”: 65%
“Putin”: 77%
“Crypto/Bitcoin”: 45%
“Rigged”: 61%
Brian Pempus is the Managing Editor of Forbes Betting.
https://www.forbes.com/betting/novelty/ ... den-trump/
CAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
FTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
I wonder if he's even cognizant enough these days. Ben Shapiro made a remark in an interview the other day saying that Biden is dealing with stage 2 dementia. Whether that's actually true or not--I don't know. But I know what my eyes have seen and my ears have heard and it wouldn't surprise me if he is. All to say--I wonder if he's even running the country anymore--if his handlers, staff, whomever, are actually in the "War Room" making the critical decisions. But yes, he's had his fair share of tragedy and hard knocks.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 amFTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
The great news for you both is that Biden will lose, and Donald Trump, who's sharp as a tack, and has no trouble making speeches, will be our next POTUS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 amFTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
Someone in the Democrat should have made Joe Biden an offer he can't refuse. If Joe loves the Democrat party he should have done what LBJ did and bowed out for a Democrat that could beat Trump with one arm tied behind their back.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:11 amThe great news for you both is that Biden will lose, and Donald Trump, who's sharp as a tack, and has no trouble making speeches, will be our next POTUS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 amFTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
So you can stop worrying about having someone in the White House who doesn't make any sense, and who doesn't take his speeches off on nonsensical tangents because he can't keep his train of thought.
Oh, Trump can say some outlandish things, alright. No shortage of his wackjob comments to go around. I wish there was a better alternative but he's all we on the Right have at this point. The only hope to get out from under Biden's messes.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:11 amThe great news for you both is that Biden will lose, and Donald Trump, who's sharp as a tack, and has no trouble making speeches, will be our next POTUS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 amFTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
So you can stop worrying about having someone in the White House who doesn't make any sense, and who doesn't take his speeches off on nonsensical tangents because he can't keep his train of thought.
Agreed.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:19 am Someone in the Democrat should have made Joe Biden an offer he can't refuse. If Joe loves the Democrat party he should have done what LBJ did and bowed out for a Democrat that could beat Trump with one arm tied behind their back.
I'm also not impressed with Joe Bidens abysmal failure on policy.
Biden did offer the job to others in the Party. No one wanted to run.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:19 amSomeone in the Democrat should have made Joe Biden an offer he can't refuse. If Joe loves the Democrat party he should have done what LBJ did and bowed out for a Democrat that could beat Trump with one arm tied behind their back.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:11 amThe great news for you both is that Biden will lose, and Donald Trump, who's sharp as a tack, and has no trouble making speeches, will be our next POTUS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:48 amFTR I use to have a lot of respect for Joe Biden. He has a lot of warts to cover up and has a long and distinguished career as human gaffe machine. This has nothing to do with his speech impediment. This is all about his ineptitude and incompetence. There is a reason why BHO said ( although he will never admit saying it ) Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to eff things up. Joe has proven his former boss correct from day one of his administration. Joes record of ineptitude stands all alone as an embarrassment to the Democrat party. His poor and beleaguered press secretary KJP was handed the Democrat version of Mission Impossible... It might have been beneficial if Bidens press secretary was not as incompetent as her boss.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:31 amCAS, I have learned to put down my coffee before reading your posts. Too frickin funny.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:02 am You forgot to mention the over/ under for Joe falling off the stage. Greater or less than 45 minutes into the debate is the starting point. Hopefully the Biden people have perfected the proper Joe juice formula. They have had 7 days at Camp David to work on it. Perhaps a concoction of formaldehyde and fentanyl are the base ingredients.![]()
So you can stop worrying about having someone in the White House who doesn't make any sense, and who doesn't take his speeches off on nonsensical tangents because he can't keep his train of thought.
I'm also not impressed with Joe Bidens abysmal failure on policy.
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:31 am
Biden did offer the job to others in the Party. Really, to whom did Biden "offer" the job to. No one wanted to run. except, for that Kennedy "kid".
Same for Trump. Which is why we are here, with two lifeless, brainless candidates. Four years after not learning our lesson the first time. What,
"lesson", was not learned? Be specific.