All Things Russia & Ukraine

[youthathletics]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

[cradleandshoot]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

[Seacoaster(1)]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

[Seacoaster(1)]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

[cradleandshoot]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

Because the UN peace keepers are the go to force when you absolutely, positively must have ineffective peace keepers. You know of any nation that respects the UN on any peace keeping mission?.

There are some folks who look at those very popular pretty powder blue helmets as great targets for snipers. If you were trained as a sniper you would understand.

[runrussellrun]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

so the cold war is NOT over.......got it.

To bad, POTUSA Obama didn't.

[runrussellrun]

Putin the moron is negotiating an end to the the war with Trump through the media. Putin's offer of a truce, with the current line of control as the new border & no NATO membership, is the best deal Ukraine can hope for. Ukraine doesn't have to accept it. It will come about naturally. Neither side will try to take new territory. Putin will say he will stop cross border attacks except in response to Ukrainian attacks. The war will settle into a frozen conflict a la Korea (as some of us predicted from the start), while both sides continue to bolster threir defenses.

for someone who claims to not be an Orange Fatso supporter you seem to like just about everything the moron does.

Perhaps you could stop jerking everyone around just to get a rise out of people.

Didn't you inject the morons "approved" and "warpspeed" covid shot ? Or, are you another moron that thinks the claim of being effective at prevention, never existed ? Only the stupid, non existant legal language of TRUMPS FDA, doesn't include "less sick" and "no hospital", as if one can quantify what determines "less sick", even is.

The 'morons" are wanting "peace" ?

Guess, you're cool, because.....you only like a "few" things about tRump.

Elon Musk, hence the USA, still buying rockets from Russia...........

[NattyBohChamps04]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

Because the UN peace keepers are the go to force when you absolutely, positively must have ineffective peace keepers. You know of any nation that respects the UN on any peace keeping mission?.

There are some folks who look at those very popular pretty powder blue helmets as great targets for snipers. If you were trained as a sniper you would understand.

He posted articles about NATO, not the UN. But feel free to keep buttting in with stuff that isn't related

[runrussellrun]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

Because the UN peace keepers are the go to force when you absolutely, positively must have ineffective peace keepers. You know of any nation that respects the UN on any peace keeping mission?.

There are some folks who look at those very popular pretty powder blue helmets as great targets for snipers. If you were trained as a sniper you would understand.

He posted articles about NATO, not the UN. But feel free to keep buttting in with stuff that isn't related

thread nannies are fun.

perhaps, we should talk about beer, or who we played hoops with

[cradleandshoot]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

Because the UN peace keepers are the go to force when you absolutely, positively must have ineffective peace keepers. You know of any nation that respects the UN on any peace keeping mission?.

There are some folks who look at those very popular pretty powder blue helmets as great targets for snipers. If you were trained as a sniper you would understand.

He posted articles about NATO, not the UN. But feel free to keep buttting in with stuff that isn't related

NATO the UN they both allegedly are suppose to keep the peace. The one thing they both have in common is they suck when it comes to playing the role of peacekeeper. In the case of the UN they do have those really pretty powder blue helmets. Those UN peace keepers simply look so adorable Makes you want to eat em right up.

[youthathletics]

Getting dicey. US provided munitions and coordinates used that killed Russian citizens.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna158471

“All flight missions for the American ATACMS operational-tactical missiles are entered by American specialists based on U.S.’ own satellite reconnaissance data,” the ministry said in a statement. “Therefore, responsibility for the deliberate missile attack on civilians in Sevastopol lies primarily with Washington, which supplied these weapons to Ukraine, as well as the Kyiv regime, from whose territory this attack was launched.””

Biden Admin owns this provocation.

[cradleandshoot]

Getting dicey. US provided munitions and coordinates used that killed Russian citizens.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna158471

“All flight missions for the American ATACMS operational-tactical missiles are entered by American specialists based on U.S.’ own satellite reconnaissance data,” the ministry said in a statement. “Therefore, responsibility for the deliberate missile attack on civilians in Sevastopol lies primarily with Washington, which supplied these weapons to Ukraine, as well as the Kyiv regime, from whose territory this attack was launched.””

Biden Admin owns this provocation.

It stinks, and all the students at those elite colleges aren't around to protest. My bad, wrong war carry on

[NattyBohChamps04]

"NBC News could not independently confirm what type of weapons were used in the attack."

Of course it's unverified. Not sure any ATACMS claimed to have been shot down by Russia have been verified to date.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of this is friendly fire related. Russia is gonna say whatever it wants.

I personally wouldn't go vacationing in an occupied territory that's been warned for years it may be attacked, but that's just me.

[MDlaxfan76]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

Which is the whole point of NATO...to deter aggression.
And, unfortunately, NATO force is the only deterrence to Putin's Russia's aggression.
It is obviously not a deterrent to such aggression for any nations not in NATO.

Cradle, NATO is NOT a peacekeeping force.
It is a mutual defense force, enabling a major multiplier effect over what any single nation alone can achieve.

[cradleandshoot]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

Which is the whole point of NATO...to deter aggression.
And, unfortunately, NATO force is the only deterrence to Putin's Russia's aggression.
It is obviously not a deterrent to such aggression for any nations not in NATO.

Cradle, NATO is NOT a peacekeeping force.
It is a mutual defense force, enabling a major multiplier effect over what any single nation alone can achieve.

How did I get dragged into this conversation? I'm well aware of what the responsibilities of NATO are. Their mission obviously changed when the Soviet Union fell apart along with the Warsaw Pact their purpose in the scheme of things has had to be modified.
BTW it is a heavy US Army Brigade at the tip of the spear in Poland. I'm not certain any other NATO nation can provide that security blanket.

[Seacoaster(1)]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

Which is the whole point of NATO...to deter aggression.
And, unfortunately, NATO force is the only deterrence to Putin's Russia's aggression.
It is obviously not a deterrent to such aggression for any nations not in NATO.

Cradle, NATO is NOT a peacekeeping force.
It is a mutual defense force, enabling a major multiplier effect over what any single nation alone can achieve.

How did I get dragged into this conversation? I'm well aware of what the responsibilities of NATO are. Their mission obviously changed when the Soviet Union fell apart along with the Warsaw Pact their purpose in the scheme of things has had to be modified.
BTW it is a heavy US Army Brigade at the tip of the spear in Poland. I'm not certain any other NATO nation can provide that security blanket.

You, apropos of nothing that was being discussed, brought up UN Peacekeeping forces in a discussion about the current utility of NATO. So MDLax responded to your off-topic comments. Simple as that.

[cradleandshoot]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

Which is the whole point of NATO...to deter aggression.
And, unfortunately, NATO force is the only deterrence to Putin's Russia's aggression.
It is obviously not a deterrent to such aggression for any nations not in NATO.

Cradle, NATO is NOT a peacekeeping force.
It is a mutual defense force, enabling a major multiplier effect over what any single nation alone can achieve.

How did I get dragged into this conversation? I'm well aware of what the responsibilities of NATO are. Their mission obviously changed when the Soviet Union fell apart along with the Warsaw Pact their purpose in the scheme of things has had to be modified.
BTW it is a heavy US Army Brigade at the tip of the spear in Poland. I'm not certain any other NATO nation can provide that security blanket.

You, apropos of nothing that was being discussed, brought up UN Peacekeeping forces in a discussion about the current utility of NATO. So MDLax responded to your off-topic comments. Simple as that.

I brought up the innefectivness of UN peacekeepers. How did that morph into the innefectivness of NATO counselor?? FTR counselor forum members going off topic is a common occurrence on this forum that you appear to be unaware of. I'll just consider it a tangent and roll with that. So the next time you go off topic I'll be sure to point it out to you. Your as guilty at times as anybody else so don't play high and mighty. Have a great day counselor. Time to water the garden and take Roxy for her adventure walk.

[MDlaxfan76]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

So I'm guessing the UN and their powder blue helmet peace keepers would put the fear of the Almighty into Putin? Anybody ask the UN how we should handle the war in Ukraine? Maybe the Norks can offer up a truly neutral force of peace keepers? I don't know if the cute powder blue helmets will get Lil Kims approval. How much longer until this war expands to new players? An infusion of fresh blood to be spilled will help to share the burden with the Ukrainian people. Americas anchorman would love to report the story to the people.

Sorry, not sure I follow. Why are you talking about UN peacekeepers here?

Because the UN peace keepers are the go to force when you absolutely, positively must have ineffective peace keepers. You know of any nation that respects the UN on any peace keeping mission?.

There are some folks who look at those very popular pretty powder blue helmets as great targets for snipers. If you were trained as a sniper you would understand.

He posted articles about NATO, not the UN. But feel free to keep buttting in with stuff that isn't related

NATO the UN they both allegedly are suppose to keep the peace. The one thing they both have in common is they suck when it comes to playing the role of peacekeeper. In the case of the UN they do have those really pretty powder blue helmets. Those UN peace keepers simply look so adorable Makes you want to eat em right up.

They were discussing NATO and why NATO matters so much...you dismissively inserted the UN.

[MDlaxfan76]

We are in no-brainer land here, but only if you use your brain:

https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/wh ... ve-605022/

https://www.americanprogress.org/articl ... e-matters/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/16/ ... s-to-know/

What are you implying?

Really?

Yes, that is why I asked?

I am "implying" that NATO is important, economically, culturally, in defense terms, and that its importance continues to be as the backbone of deterrence through Article 5. I agree with the point that Old Salt focused on: admission of Ukraine to NATO has significant risks. But the reality is and will continue to be that the Czar will not discontinue the war he started with Ukraine or refrain from other efforts to re-assimilate former Soviet vassals back into the Russian Federation.

Which is the whole point of NATO...to deter aggression.
And, unfortunately, NATO force is the only deterrence to Putin's Russia's aggression.
It is obviously not a deterrent to such aggression for any nations not in NATO.

Cradle, NATO is NOT a peacekeeping force.
It is a mutual defense force, enabling a major multiplier effect over what any single nation alone can achieve.

How did I get dragged into this conversation? I'm well aware of what the responsibilities of NATO are. Their mission obviously changed when the Soviet Union fell apart along with the Warsaw Pact their purpose in the scheme of things has had to be modified.
BTW it is a heavy US Army Brigade at the tip of the spear in Poland. I'm not certain any other NATO nation can provide that security blanket.

You, apropos of nothing that was being discussed, brought up UN Peacekeeping forces in a discussion about the current utility of NATO. So MDLax responded to your off-topic comments. Simple as that.

Correct.

[OuttaNowhereWregget]

Time to water the garden

Whatcha growin?

and take Roxy for her adventure walk.

I'm intrigued--why do you call it an adventure walk?