get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:03 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:47 pm
get it to x wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:52 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:02 pm
get it to x wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:58 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:45 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:12 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 5:05 pm
Why that's dirty pool. Kinda acting like those FLP extremists who hijack conservative types while their family is dining in a restaurant. What am I thinking that's a totally acceptable form of harassment.
You see these as equivalent?
If not, pray tell, what do you see as different?
At least is wasn’t a no knock like they do in Baltimore I suppose…
And come on you dummy he’s from the school of hard knocks which can translate and synthesize Highly localizes and biased anecdotes into omniscience. Far superior to your
stupid colleges and higher education and intellectual curiosity and all that bu**s**t.
Your expansive vocabulary is quite impressive. When you can't dazzle em with brilliance baffle em with big words. Pretty good for white trash from Binghamton.
You should have your own syndicated radio show. Your talent should be shared with all of America. They will collectivily be amazed an astonished at your verbal skillery.
Credentialism at it's finest. Probably believes stupidity and advanced degrees are mutually exclusive.
you think my degrees make me stupid?
You do realize you're talking about me in specific, right?
If so, go ahead and say so.
I do agree that advanced degrees are no substitute for common sense, and I'd be surprised if Geneva disagrees.
"Stupidity" is more rare in my experience, though. Not mutually exclusive, but darn rare.
I'd note that I asked a pretty simple question about cradle's
opinion, which only required his exercise of some good common sense. No fancy degrees required.
But he's avoided answering that straightforward, uncomplicated question. To be clear, I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence or education. Just personality.
How egotistical of you. I was actually referring to FFG. But you must agree that the credentialed class has a whiff of supremacy about it, almost like an intellectual form of racism. How you look down on the great unwashed. Many of my most successful clients have a high school education. Many also have to do a subchapter "s" distribution in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so they can pay the pass through taxes.
It's the old "How can you tell a Hahvaahd Man?, Just wait five minutes and he'll tell you." Or Jill Biden referring to herself as "Doctor Jill". Maybe she can perform an "ego-ectomy" on you.
He was talking about me.
Since I've met a heck of a lot of folks with high-falutin degrees, I'm in a decent position to say that are plenty of self-important knuckleheads amongst them.
But I find the prejudice some folks who don't have such degrees to way, way over exaggerate the incidence of such. Frankly, it's pretty gross.
And stupid.
That said, I totally agree with you that there are lots of highly successful people with very little formal education. Tons. Met a guy today who owns a window company worth multiple millions now. His wife does the books, handles the business but he was clearly on top of his business. He was personally fixing a window in my house. Impressive guy.
My wife's dad never finished high school due to WWII, but was self educated. Very well read. And successful as a commercial fisherman. Great guy, but died at age 59.
I'm confident Geneva agrees. But not having an education doesn't give one some sort of nobility, especially if they don't read and don't think critically about the world around them, yet spout off at others.
For instance, cradle has made numerous prejudiced cracks about people with higher education. And he was talking about me. Geneva was slapping him for it.
I think what Cradle and I are trying to say is that many people believe . And many are too happy to let you know.
As for why Putin didn't invade, I think Trump's unpredictability is part of it. Obama's red line proved to be an illusion and Biden is being advised by the same crew.
Frankly, any person who actually "thinks the degree automatically confers intelligence on them" is themselves stupid. And I know extremely few with such degrees who would think that.
What you may be seeing is that people who've seen or experienced first hand the process believe that to attain an advanced degree means the person has applied themselves to intellectual efforts for an extended period of time. The higher in the education ladder one goes, typically the more rigorous the training in intellectual challenges. That training includes a heck of a lot of demand on critical thinking and exposure to diverse sources of information, leading to an appreciation for that process. It does require significant "intelligence", sure, but mostly it's a matter of effort and curiosity, applied over an extended period of time.
There is also an element of differentiation between how rigorous the training has been and the level of performance necessary to both be selected for that institution and then the level of performance within the institution. People who have experience with all that
do tend to have an informed regard for those who have achieved the highest levels of performance at the most selective institutions.
But it doesn't "confer intelligence", it is merely a sifting process within which success is attained through a heck of a lot of effort, training, and curiosity.
Always interesting to me that so many who don't have such exposure dismiss it, so resentfully. It's a real form of bigotry. But I understand it, I think.
Geneva was clapping back at cradle who so often says or demonstrates that he does not read much, and certainly not very critically, and instead posts angrily at people who are trying to have a reasonable discussion on generally serious topics. All emotion, with the information he shares being very limited in scope.
He and Geneva have gone at it several times over their experiences in Upstate NY.
I wasn't in the conversation about Putin, but have read some of it and have previously expressed my opinions on the topic numerous times a couple of years ago.
First, we don't know because there's an awful lot of information we don't have.
However, IMO, we can track back to what Putin himself has said about his intentions from speeches and interviews for two decades. Putting aside his actual lies, he's made consistently clear that he believes in a Russian nationalistic right to hegemony over a much larger portion of the world than the Russia of post Soviet Union collapse. He believes in using whatever tools at his disposal to achieve that re-expansion.
I don't think I need to take us through all that in a single post, but seems to me that Putin has waged disinformation campaigns to undermine the ideologies and alliances of those he's seen as impediments to re-expansion and he has used hot force when he's seen that as most expedient to achieve that re-expansion. There is no moral impediment to his choices as he believes solely in power.
In that context re Ukraine in specific, I think Putin got away with taking Crimea with relatively little penalty, though the Magnitsky Act was a problem. So, he aided Trump over Clinton, and when that worked, he focused on influencing the undermining of NATO, his biggest impediment to expansion. Lots of surreptitious work and disinformation campaigns throughout Europe as well the US. It was generally working as NATO was fraying badly. He then tried to help Trump in 2020 as well as other MAGA types open to seeing Russia as an ideological ally, but that went bust with Trump in 2020. Meanwhile, Zelensky and democracy forces in Ukraine were ascendant and the war being waged to take Eastern Ukraine wasn't making progress.
And Covid was raging, seemingly distracting the West.
Isolated himself in Covid, and more isolated ideologically, he went to all-out invasion with massive civilian bombing and mass atrocities. But Biden, somewhat to his surprise probably, rallied the West, which Trump would definitely not have achieved. He's less than a year away now from total victory if Trump wins.
