Johns Hopkins 2025

[paulrabil67]

Andrew Greenspan (ND Freshman HS All-American) entered the transfer portal yesterday. Considering that face-offs were a major weakness for us in '24, couldn't help but think it would be nice to bring him to Homewood (even though it looks / sounds like he'll stay ACC and maybe ND considering his 'no contact' tag'). Filling this gap would be nice for the years after next considering we lose Callahan and the Dickinson guy after '25. Thoughts?

Source: https://x.com/tyxanders/status/1800325907057360910

[HopFan16]

Andrew Greenspan (ND Freshman HS All-American) entered the transfer portal yesterday. Considering that face-offs were a major weakness for us in '24, couldn't help but think it would be nice to bring him to Homewood (even though it looks / sounds like he'll stay ACC and maybe ND considering his 'no contact' tag'). Filling this gap would be nice for the years after next considering we lose Callahan and the Dickinson guy after '25. Thoughts?

Source: https://x.com/tyxanders/status/1800325907057360910

Would be nice, but as you said it sounds like he's staying in the ACC with a destination in mind, if he even leaves ND at all. Also, it doesn't sound like Nick Ramsey from Yale is using his year of eligibility anywhere, as IL removed him from their portal list recently.

Going to have to make due with what we have and hope McKee and/or Hobot gives that group a boost. But that's only half the battle. The wings have to be better and that's one area the Yale middies should be able to help with.

A lot of very good FOGOs we face have graduated (Wierman, Stathakis, Kohn, Wietfeldt, etc.) so maybe that helps too without us having to do anything. Suddenly Callahan is one of if not the best returning faceoff guy in the Big Ten.

[norcalhop]

Andrew Greenspan (ND Freshman HS All-American) entered the transfer portal yesterday. Considering that face-offs were a major weakness for us in '24, couldn't help but think it would be nice to bring him to Homewood (even though it looks / sounds like he'll stay ACC and maybe ND considering his 'no contact' tag'). Filling this gap would be nice for the years after next considering we lose Callahan and the Dickinson guy after '25. Thoughts?

Source: https://x.com/tyxanders/status/1800325907057360910

Can never have too much FO depth

[44WeWantMore]

Hopkins Wins Second Consecutive LEARFIELD Directors' Cup.

[norcalhop]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

[Sagittarius A*]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

I recall Petro recruited a lot of Whales, but it didn't necessarily translate into victories on the field, except for 2015 when a stellar recruiting class complimented an already good team.
This staff seems to get a lot out of the players they do have. I think the top rated recruit on the team last year was Grimes, #4.
Having said that, maybe this program can land a top 5 or top 10 recruit in this upcoming recruiting cycle.
The Jays were only one bad call away from a final 4 in 2023.

[HopFan16]

Kilrain was a 5-star, #11. He looks like, at worst, the second best defenseman in the class. Probably should have been top 10.

But when he flipped from Cuse, he was just a generic 4-star. He ended up having a monster senior year at Lawrenceville to become one of the best players in the country. Clearly the staff saw something in him, and they were right. Where a guy is ranked as a rising junior in high school is not necessarily where they will end up as an incoming freshman. McCleary and Hobot are examples of this too — when they committed, McCleary was an unranked 4-star and Hobot was only a 3-star. Now they are both NB AAs and likely high 4-stars/approaching 5-star status. A large part of recruiting is being able to project where kids are going to be in a few years, not necessarily worrying about where they are ranked at the time that you recruit them.

But, yes, it would be nice to land one of these absolute can't miss/top 5 players. If they keep winning, they will.

[OCanada]

“A large part of recruiting is being able to project where kids are going to be in a few years, not necessarily worrying about where they are ranked at the time that you recruit them.”

I agree.

In the 2010 - 16 time period Hopkins looked into why they were missing so many blie chip recruits. Do you know what the conclusions were?

RM et al established that you can make the FF with a team filled with 4 stars.

[wgdsr]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

I recall Petro recruited a lot of Whales, but it didn't necessarily translate into victories on the field, except for 2015 when a stellar recruiting class complimented an already good team.
This staff seems to get a lot out of the players they do have. I think the top rated recruit on the team last year was Grimes, #4.
Having said that, maybe this program can land a top 5 or top 10 recruit in this upcoming recruiting cycle.
The Jays were only one bad call away from a final 4 in 2023.

2024*
yes. calling for a review as to whether a shot was on cage was a big blunder for a quarters crew. yet... there was still almost 4 minutes left. so anything could probably have happened, and probably did.

[51percentcorn]

Yes - wg... sensible Hop fans are all tired of this nonsense that the Millon foot on the crease not on the crease call cost Hopkins a trip to the Semis. As opposed to the Penn State folks who had some reason to be upset in that was literally the last play of the game - Hopkins had plenty of chances to win the game. If Angelus doesn't fall down - decent chance it's 11-8 or whatever at that point and the game might be close to over. Make the plays - don't turn the ball over something like 9 times in the 4th quarter - over 25 for the game - and you don't have to worry about a crease call.

O'C - I know we have our differences but I need some help with your post. First - "RM" is escaping me- trying to think of Final Four coaches with those initials and I am just blanking. Also, would love to hear what the conclusions were of the Hopkins analysis - also confused - wasn't the 2015 team loaded with blue chippers?

[coda]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

[norcalhop]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

[coda]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

[51percentcorn]

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

I'm not sure I understand the point - we had 5 stars - weren't winning - but you want 5 stars?? I thought Maryland was famous for winning because of Tillman and no need for tons of 5 stars? Except for one Yale title - Ivies have been pretty MIA in the final 4. Cornell in '22 Yale in '18 and '19 Brown in '16.

[norcalhop]

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

I'm not sure I understand the point - we had 5 stars - weren't winning - but you want 5 stars?? I thought Maryland was famous for winning because of Tillman and no need for tons of 5 stars? Except for one Yale title - Ivies have been pretty MIA in the final 4. Cornell in '22 Yale in '18 and '19 Brown in '16.

We weren't winning because of bad coaching and potentially bad player development. This staff has proven to be better at coaching than Petro in his later years.

So yes, I want 5 stars now. As for Maryland:

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... land/11620

Tillman has had more than his fair share of 5 stars. He also does well with player development.

[norcalhop]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

A better education? Small class sizes? Lax as the top sport on campus? Stanwicks came here for a reason.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... list/62256

Take a look at that - it shows very strong school and conference distribution. Does 5 star translate to auto success? Ofcourse not - Duke missed the tournament 2 years ago. UNC is a story on repeat.

However with the right coaching staff, 5 stars mean probabilistically better talent. Take a look at the All American list, I'd dare say the majority are 5 stars with O'Neill, Shellenberger, Kirst, etc.

[coda]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

A better education? Small class sizes? Lax as the top sport on campus? Stanwicks came here for a reason.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... list/62256

Take a look at that - it shows very strong school and conference distribution. Does 5 star translate to auto success? Ofcourse not - Duke missed the tournament 2 years ago. UNC is a story on repeat.

However with the right coaching staff, 5 stars mean probabilistically better talent. Take a look at the All American list, I'd dare say the majority are 5 stars with O'Neill, Shellenberger, Kirst, etc.

Most these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a better education. The campus is far from a positive. Small school aspect will turn some kids away. Same goes for the neighborhood. Hopkins is still in the show me phase. Recruits today haven’t seen Hopkins with top lacrosse program. Hopkins has been mediocre the majority of their lives

[norcalhop]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

A better education? Small class sizes? Lax as the top sport on campus? Stanwicks came here for a reason.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... list/62256

Take a look at that - it shows very strong school and conference distribution. Does 5 star translate to auto success? Ofcourse not - Duke missed the tournament 2 years ago. UNC is a story on repeat.

However with the right coaching staff, 5 stars mean probabilistically better talent. Take a look at the All American list, I'd dare say the majority are 5 stars with O'Neill, Shellenberger, Kirst, etc.

Most these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a better education. The campus is far from a positive. Small school aspect will turn some kids away. Same goes for the neighborhood. Hopkins is still in the show me phase. Recruits today haven’t seen Hopkins with top lacrosse program. Hopkins has been mediocre the majority of their lives

Hopkins has already won multiple recruits over UVa and other ACC schools on its roster. If you don't think Hopkins offers a better education with higher desirability than UVa which has a lower yield and entering freshman stats despite cheaper instate tuition, I don't know what to tell you. Lacrosse players here major in Econ which more than enough for Wall Street and its ilk.

Hopkins has had losing seasons, and mediocrity recently. Then again, it landed Scott Smith, Casey McDermott, and Brendan Grimes (all with ACC offers) in the same year: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/commits/jhu/2020 during a dark period.

I don't get your point.

[coda]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

A better education? Small class sizes? Lax as the top sport on campus? Stanwicks came here for a reason.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... list/62256

Take a look at that - it shows very strong school and conference distribution. Does 5 star translate to auto success? Ofcourse not - Duke missed the tournament 2 years ago. UNC is a story on repeat.

However with the right coaching staff, 5 stars mean probabilistically better talent. Take a look at the All American list, I'd dare say the majority are 5 stars with O'Neill, Shellenberger, Kirst, etc.

Most these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a better education. The campus is far from a positive. Small school aspect will turn some kids away. Same goes for the neighborhood. Hopkins is still in the show me phase. Recruits today haven’t seen Hopkins with top lacrosse program. Hopkins has been mediocre the majority of their lives

Hopkins has already won multiple recruits over UVa and other ACC schools on its roster. If you don't think Hopkins offers a better education with higher desirability than UVa which has a lower yield and entering freshman stats despite cheaper instate tuition, I don't know what to tell you. Lacrosse players here major in Econ which more than enough for Wall Street and its ilk.

Hopkins has had losing seasons, and mediocrity recently. Then again, it landed Scott Smith, Casey McDermott, and Brendan Grimes (all with ACC offers) in the same year: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/commits/jhu/2020 during a dark period.

I don't get your point.

I said most of these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a top business school. If they are into Medical or Engineering, then Hopkins is an amazing school.

My point is it takes more than a single year to garner recruiting success. Hopkins isn’t the program you grew up watching. Milkman didn’t inherit NC caliber teams to pad his resume. He isn’t a lacrosse legend like Petro was. They will get some kids based on location and history, but overall they are getting their lunch taken by better programs (namely UVA).

[norcalhop]

What I want to see from this staff is an ability to translate on field success to recruiting. Aka, begin to land top 15 recruiting whales much like Hopkins' rivals have done.

It’s not that easy. Denver won a NC and it never translated. OSU went to the final 4 (back to back year if I remember correctly) and the 5 stars still went to the ACC. PSU didn’t get much follow through. Right now the majority of top recruits have the ACC tattood on their minds. Nobody in lacrosse has seemed to come up with a sales pitch to counter the ACC.

Take a look at Maryland and Ivies. Hopkins was landing 5 stars with regularity without winning just a few years ago - no reason why it can't reverse the trend.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... and/4/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2024
https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... on/32/2023

Princeton has done very well.. they are the kings in the IVy in recruiting. Selling that Ivy education and a nice campus. Yale hasn’t done much and been more successful. Cornell is the same. Maryland has seemed to trail off and they have been arguably the best program in lacrosse the last decade. That’s 2 schools. Look at UNC. Whose coach has been rumored to be on the verge of losing his job the last 2 years.. They still kill it. That doesn’t happen in any other conference. Honestly, what’s the pitch for Hopkins over a school like UVA?

A better education? Small class sizes? Lax as the top sport on campus? Stanwicks came here for a reason.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... list/62256

Take a look at that - it shows very strong school and conference distribution. Does 5 star translate to auto success? Ofcourse not - Duke missed the tournament 2 years ago. UNC is a story on repeat.

However with the right coaching staff, 5 stars mean probabilistically better talent. Take a look at the All American list, I'd dare say the majority are 5 stars with O'Neill, Shellenberger, Kirst, etc.

Most these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a better education. The campus is far from a positive. Small school aspect will turn some kids away. Same goes for the neighborhood. Hopkins is still in the show me phase. Recruits today haven’t seen Hopkins with top lacrosse program. Hopkins has been mediocre the majority of their lives

Hopkins has already won multiple recruits over UVa and other ACC schools on its roster. If you don't think Hopkins offers a better education with higher desirability than UVa which has a lower yield and entering freshman stats despite cheaper instate tuition, I don't know what to tell you. Lacrosse players here major in Econ which more than enough for Wall Street and its ilk.

Hopkins has had losing seasons, and mediocrity recently. Then again, it landed Scott Smith, Casey McDermott, and Brendan Grimes (all with ACC offers) in the same year: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/commits/jhu/2020 during a dark period.

I don't get your point.

I said most of these kids are business majors and Hopkins isn’t a top business school. If they are into Medical or Engineering, then Hopkins is an amazing school.

My point is it takes more than a single year to garner recruiting success. Hopkins isn’t the program you grew up watching. Milkman didn’t inherit NC caliber teams to pad his resume. He isn’t a lacrosse legend like Petro was. They will get some kids based on location and history, but overall they are getting their lunch taken by better programs (namely UVA).

Does Duke offer a business major? Do they have a large student body? Sure they have DI sports, but similar enough as Durham isn't a top tier city either.

Again, Hopkins has shown it can out recruit UVa and beat them on the field with lesser talent. With some modicum of recent success, there's no reason why Milliman can't start winning his fair share of recruits.

I was offered the Jefferson scholarship at UVa. I declined politely. As for growing up watching Hopkins, there's a strong probability, I'm younger than most in this forum. I certainly didn't grow up watching this team in the early 2000s, let alone the 80s and 70s where it may have had more prowess.