Happy to report I never coached at Presbyterian but I have spent time in all 3 divisions and my experience lends to me this. The D2 and D3 guys are required to be more creative; in a number of different areas, not just X’s and O’s. Finding ways to make their total budget of 30 grand work, finding ways to recruit kids from non traditional areas because the prep school kids have never heard of you/their club coaches would never allow you to contact them. Finding ways to play different offenses and defenses year to year because personnel changes happen more frequently at the D2/D3 level. Retention is a bigger challenge at those levels.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 8:12 amSeems to be a general characteristic of a lot would leave room for “a number of super talented coaches at that level” though wouldn’t it?LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 8:00 amToo loose, maybe?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:42 amKeep in mind TWs tenure after running things at a similar level at Limestone. Great recruiter couldn’t keep control granted he had a poisonous and treacherous assistant backdooring him but that seems to be a general characteristic of a lot of the top D2 coaches-great recruiter and super nice guys but too loose and generally not the best Xs and Os guys?FMUBart wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:53 amUmm what??! I guess what Paradine has accomplished at L-R is a non-sequitur?LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:19 amHe’s done a great job at Lenoir Rhyne. It isn’t easy to win there. I will say though, his tenure at UNC was incredibly underwhelming. A fairly toxic era for that program; under achieving, party/drug culture was rampant, etc. Haus had such a great run during that tenure at his alma mater that he was fired and shipped off to Siberia (Lebanon Valley College in D3 and has been there since). I don’t know. I would just have a lot of questions about culture, etc. That era at UNC was the complete antithesis of the culture Torpey created at High Point. The returning players at HPU likely have high standards for what they want for their program (obviously they don’t hire the new coach, but just thinking aloud here).gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:56 pmMaybe Lenoir-Rhyne coach Greg Paradine? He has done a great job in that state at the DII level.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:43 pm gymman's long national nightmare is over. Navy has an OC
This also confirms that the High Point HC job is indeed open. Curious the caliber of candidate they're attracting. Someone implied earlier that it may be better than expected. Relatively low-pressure gig, good weather, winnable conference. There certainly are worse jobs
Generally not good Xs and Os guys is not fair. There are a number of super talented coaches at that level. Some of which have successfully coached in all 3 divisions.
How do you feel about Sheehan and Morgan? TW was not an Xs and Os guy hit a good guy. He was closer to a Kerwick than I think folks want to admit around Geneva. Do you object to the idea that D2 plenty of D2 coaches with success fit the description above though? They aren’t mutually exclusive. But there’s a difference with D1 on that it seems was my point where a Kerwick or others could easily be be named. I recall you coaches at Presby so you should both have better info AND probably your own biases as well.
How about the d3 guys like a Stagnitta or Nelson or Daly?
Take someone like Daly as you mentioned. The Brown folks crushed him because he was apparently horrible with X’s and O’s. Was that really because he couldn’t draw up a play? Was is it really because his experience prior had been at D3? Personally, I think both of those hot takes were wrong. They were just easy narratives to assign to his failure there.