NIL doesn’t equal player compensation in those leagues. The players get a piece of the pie. NIL isn’t intended to be a recruiting inducement. There hasn’t been any enforcement around it. Maybe this new structure will have more teeth around it and NIL will work like it does in other markets. I spent 3 hours in a golf cart with a college athlete and he got paid for spending three hours with me arguing hoops…. and I gave him some tips on a putting green. Also gave him advice about making the most of the network he is cultivating as people want to help but he has to help himself first. He already has an undergraduate degree and working on a Masters. He will be fine. A really engaging young guy that’s going to do well.a fan wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 3:39 pmAll those leagues are 100% anything goes for NIL deals. I’m assuming that’s not what you meant.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 2:00 pmMaybe they put some teeth into “extra” benefits. The NBA, NFL, MLB, and the NHL are not free markets where anything goes . I would shut a lot of the nonsense down. I am going to give it until next week to reach out to the guy I know.wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:10 pmthe original proposal thrown out there by the new nc$$ chief was $30m for schools that wanted to be in a tier 1 league, and that the money would be spread between men and women. he was spitballing and don't think he got in the weeds on whether that meant equal or whatever. but if it isn't allowable? to pay qb's big money, then nil will be alive and well. if nicked because they'll need boosters to fund both pools. or cut sports.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:03 pmHopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:59 amit will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:29 amI haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:13 amThere are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:03 amRight now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:53 am All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.
what's going thru now is a bit lower number, and for now everyone's still playing together. what i'm sure of is things will change.
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I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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I understand the response but it's not complete. Equality and proportionality are key aspects of Title IX. Here is the applicable regulatory scope:
(a) General. No person shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, be treated differently from another person or otherwise be discriminated against in any interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics offered by a recipient, and no recipient shall provide any such athletics separately on such basis.
(b) Separate teams. Notwithstanding the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, a recipient may operate or sponsor separate teams for members of each sex where selection for such teams is based upon competitive skill or the activity involved is a contact sport. However, where a recipient operates or sponsors a team in a particular sport for members of one sex but operates or sponsors no such team for members of the other sex, and athletic opportunities for members of that sex have previously been limited, members of the excluded sex must be allowed to try-out for the team offered unless the sport involved is a contact sport. For the purposes of this part, contact sports include boxing, wrestling, rugby, ice hockey, football, basketball and other sports the purpose or major activity of which involves bodily contact.
(c) Equal opportunity. A recipient which operates or sponsors interscholastic, intercollegiate, club or intramural athletics shall provide equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes. In determining whether equal opportunities are available the Director will consider, among other factors:
(1) Whether the selection of sports and levels of competition effectively accommodate the interests and abilities of members of both sexes;
(2) The provision of equipment and supplies;
(3) Scheduling of games and practice time;
(4) Travel and per diem allowance;
(5) Opportunity to receive coaching and academic tutoring;
(6) Assignment and compensation of coaches and tutors;
(7) Provision of locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities;
(8) Provision of medical and training facilities and services;
(9) Provision of housing and dining facilities and services;
(10) Publicity.
Unequal aggregate expenditures for members of each sex or unequal expenditures for male and female teams if a recipient operates or sponsors separate teams will not constitute noncompliance with this section, but the Assistant Secretary may consider the failure to provide necessary funds for teams for one sex in assessing equality of opportunity for members of each sex.
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Ivies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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You have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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Agreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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Any NIL is chump change compared to what people would pay for admission to HPY. Remember Varsity Blues? People were paying half a million to get into USC. And I know for a fact that at a highly competitve school (but non-Ivy, let alone HPY), it takes seven figures just for admissions to take another look at a qualified (25-75 percentile) candidate who lacks any outstanding hook. At that place, it takes a building to be basically guaranteed admission.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 pmAgreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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i don't know about building, but if you donate over 5 million to an ivy, I'm certain you would get more than a second look.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:20 amAny NIL is chump change compared to what people would pay for admission to HPY. Remember Varsity Blues? People were paying half a million to get into USC. And I know for a fact that at a highly competitve school (but non-Ivy, let alone HPY), it takes seven figures just for admissions to take another look at a qualified (25-75 percentile) candidate who lacks any outstanding hook. At that place, it takes a building to be basically guaranteed admission.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 pmAgreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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I still don’t see that. The colleges aren’t in control of the money.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:46 am We touched on this in the "Next to win a championship" thread.. This was my comment there:
Nobody knows how that revenue sharing is going to look. I do have a feeling that it will not be 100% merit based. I cant imagine 90% going to men's football and basketball in this environment. I am expecting some form of socialism to be involved. How that looks I do not know. If it is straight merit based, it is bad for all lacrosse programs. If there is a portion of the revenue divided equally amongst all sports, that could be a big advantage for the Big 10 teams and ND (depending on how big that slice of the pie is)
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I asked ages ago and no one has a clear answer but the NIL money is formally and technically independent. This is a huge issue with title IX as it’s unclear if the benefits conveyed by third parties rather than Title 4 federal fund provided (can’t say federally funded linguistically but every college gets some form of federal dollars including HYP which allows for the oversight).MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 am If I'm not mistaken, Title IX applies, so if they pay the players generating the most money the lion's share, that's men's football and men's basketball, with women's basketball on the rise.
I don't think there's an analogue for football on the women's side.
Sounds like each school decides how they wish to divvy it up.
And it's a cap, not a guarantee that a school will spend these kinds of $. Or do I have that incorrectly?
I agree with the Notre Dame statement, essentially saying this is a temporary band-aid.
But I guarantee Fb and BB donors aren’t letting the money get redistributed away from their favored sports. That’s a certainty.
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Because the colleges administrators want to take on that responsibility and liability when they can just point one finger in the direction of boosters and not be held accountable at all?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:03 pmHopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:59 amit will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:29 amI haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:13 amThere are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:03 amRight now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:53 am All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.
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That’s a belly ache laugher. Let’s asklaxpert wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 3:22 pm I think the settlement raises more questions than answers other than the NCAA dodging anti-trust violations.
At what point are paid athletes employees and possible impact on T9 ?
Could a condition of accepting payment from the university be that you can’t take collective money?
Will there be a challenge to the 16 sport minimum?
Another deterrent to Men’s D1 lacrosse expansion?
Is this bigger than NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma
Does an academic component even exist in big time Football and Basketball ?
UNC and Dean Smiths buddies or Minnesota BB or most of the S.E.C., etc. the Ajc runs an annual police blotter on uga football and usually 10% or more of the roster is arrested each year (you see 10-15, maybe more every year).
SUNY Binghamton BB players didn’t go to school for more of Mark Macon’s time coaching there I know for a fact.
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Time will tell. It’s a cesspool.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:45 pmBecause the colleges administrators want to take on that responsibility and liability when they can just point one finger in the direction of boosters and not be held accountable at all?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 12:03 pmHopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:59 amit will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:29 amI haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:13 amThere are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:03 amRight now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:53 am All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.
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CNY/Upstate NY, many parts north and east of Balt, chunks of LI, etc. the $175-$200k HHI offers many opportunities, and righteously so given the way they built their tremendous advantage in endowment over the first 2/3 of the 20th century.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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A former colleague endowed two general scholarships fully at UPenn where he went and his son who got a full academic ride from Wash U was rejected. My man isn’t ever giving a penny to Penn again but that $5mm isn’t true for allnorcalhop wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:30 ami don't know about building, but if you donate over 5 million to an ivy, I'm certain you would get more than a second look.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:20 amAny NIL is chump change compared to what people would pay for admission to HPY. Remember Varsity Blues? People were paying half a million to get into USC. And I know for a fact that at a highly competitve school (but non-Ivy, let alone HPY), it takes seven figures just for admissions to take another look at a qualified (25-75 percentile) candidate who lacks any outstanding hook. At that place, it takes a building to be basically guaranteed admission.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 pmAgreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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Ivies because those two schools alone ere close to $3mm and he’s definitely kicked in well over $2mm otherwise, probably kicked in north of $10mm
Over a decade or so.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:55 pmA former colleague endowed two general scholarships fully at UPenn where he went and his son who got a full academic ride from Wash U was rejected. My man isn’t ever giving a penny to Penn again but that $5mm isn’t true for allnorcalhop wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:30 ami don't know about building, but if you donate over 5 million to an ivy, I'm certain you would get more than a second look.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:20 amAny NIL is chump change compared to what people would pay for admission to HPY. Remember Varsity Blues? People were paying half a million to get into USC. And I know for a fact that at a highly competitve school (but non-Ivy, let alone HPY), it takes seven figures just for admissions to take another look at a qualified (25-75 percentile) candidate who lacks any outstanding hook. At that place, it takes a building to be basically guaranteed admission.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 pmAgreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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Ivies because those two schools alone ere close to $3mm and he’s definitely kicked in well over $2mm otherwise, probably kicked in north of $10mm
Over a decade or so.
Give $5M in a year, and you'll see. Scholarships are also cheaper to endow. You can have them at $200-300k in your name.
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Yes but I’m telling you what he spent he’s a (former) colleague and friend. I’m not guessing at those numbers. This guy is that kind of out of touch money, retired and hs a sports VC fund bc he’s a jock sniffer and only cares about “trying to out uo super intergenerational wealth numbers”. You’d be surprised at what they will turn away. He asked flat out what it would take and his kids are high performers as demonstrated (daughter at rice on full schollie which seems odd for a girl who’s dad grew up as a Jewish guy in Miami and grandfather ran a company that’s part of Macy’s now). It’s just not that simple at all ivies - you can’t always just roll in w a $5mm check is all I’m saying because he would’ve done it even though that would make him the new champion of my belt as dumbest smart person out there.norcalhop wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:41 amFarfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:55 pmA former colleague endowed two general scholarships fully at UPenn where he went and his son who got a full academic ride from Wash U was rejected. My man isn’t ever giving a penny to Penn again but that $5mm isn’t true for allnorcalhop wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:30 ami don't know about building, but if you donate over 5 million to an ivy, I'm certain you would get more than a second look.44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:20 amAny NIL is chump change compared to what people would pay for admission to HPY. Remember Varsity Blues? People were paying half a million to get into USC. And I know for a fact that at a highly competitve school (but non-Ivy, let alone HPY), it takes seven figures just for admissions to take another look at a qualified (25-75 percentile) candidate who lacks any outstanding hook. At that place, it takes a building to be basically guaranteed admission.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:08 pmAgreed. These days the aid given by other privates like Duke, Hopkins, ND is close enough or in some cases better for financially strapped families compared to ivies. But again, to your point, that likely doesn't even come into play given the family income demographics of lax players.Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 9:54 pmYou have to qualify financially. It is 100% need based. When you consider the private and public high schools that have lax teams feeding D1, I doubt many-or any- meet the needs test for financial aid. I think lax players realize that lacrosse is not a career and that a top flight education, whether that be from schools like JHU, Duke, ND, the Ivies, and others is key ti landing a job.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 8:00 pmIvies tend to have better financial aid packages than most schools. They are practically like scholarships, maybe better.norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 pm I'm keen to see how this nets out for the ivies who don't give athletic scholarships. It's a wonder how they've been able to be more than competitive in Lacrosse compared to other privates that do give 12.5 scholarships a year, but maybe that speaks to the affluence of student athletes who often come from private schools.
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Ivies because those two schools alone ere close to $3mm and he’s definitely kicked in well over $2mm otherwise, probably kicked in north of $10mm
Over a decade or so.
Give $5M in a year, and you'll see. Scholarships are also cheaper to endow. You can have them at $200-300k in your name.
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Re: House v NCAA
???? The ruling is about Unversities directly paying players from revenue.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:38 pmI still don’t see that. The colleges aren’t in control of the money.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:46 am We touched on this in the "Next to win a championship" thread.. This was my comment there:
Nobody knows how that revenue sharing is going to look. I do have a feeling that it will not be 100% merit based. I cant imagine 90% going to men's football and basketball in this environment. I am expecting some form of socialism to be involved. How that looks I do not know. If it is straight merit based, it is bad for all lacrosse programs. If there is a portion of the revenue divided equally amongst all sports, that could be a big advantage for the Big 10 teams and ND (depending on how big that slice of the pie is)
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Re: House v NCAA
Optional $20mm don’t you realize NIl is already bigger at a number of schools? Colleges do not control NIL money. The collectives do.coda wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:13 am???? The ruling is about Unversities directly paying players from revenue.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:38 pmI still don’t see that. The colleges aren’t in control of the money.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:46 am We touched on this in the "Next to win a championship" thread.. This was my comment there:
Nobody knows how that revenue sharing is going to look. I do have a feeling that it will not be 100% merit based. I cant imagine 90% going to men's football and basketball in this environment. I am expecting some form of socialism to be involved. How that looks I do not know. If it is straight merit based, it is bad for all lacrosse programs. If there is a portion of the revenue divided equally amongst all sports, that could be a big advantage for the Big 10 teams and ND (depending on how big that slice of the pie is)
And if they start spending their own money it’ll pollute the outside money so I don’t see the colleges spending a penny of this as it’s just an option. There was nothing about this timing in your prior comment about the socialism you made that claim absent this ruling prior and just moving the sentiment here.
Matter of when but as little control as many colleges have over FB now
It’s only going to get formalized as a bifurcation of FB and higher ed. The rest is noise until that begins to happen. Major Football and college haven’t and now really make less than zero sense together. Anyone stepping back beignhimest with a brain knows that truth.
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: House v NCAA
Don't forget Utah. CBS predicts they will be a playoff team this year. They have big time facilities as well.coda wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 11:03 amRight now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?Chousnake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:53 am All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.