House v NCAA

[Chousnake]

Anybody have any thoughts about how this settlement will impact D1 lacrosse? Starting in 2025, college athletes will be paid. I'm not sure I fully understand how this will work, but it appears football and basketball players at major conference colleges will be paid. I don't know what will happen with non-revenue earning sports such as lax, however.

[coda]

We touched on this in the "Next to win a championship" thread.. This was my comment there:

Nobody knows how that revenue sharing is going to look. I do have a feeling that it will not be 100% merit based. I cant imagine 90% going to men's football and basketball in this environment. I am expecting some form of socialism to be involved. How that looks I do not know. If it is straight merit based, it is bad for all lacrosse programs. If there is a portion of the revenue divided equally amongst all sports, that could be a big advantage for the Big 10 teams and ND (depending on how big that slice of the pie is)

[Chousnake]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.And the ACC conference is on borrowed time in any event. Clemson, FSU and UNC appear headed out - for football reasons.

[coda]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

[MDlaxfan76]

If I'm not mistaken, Title IX applies, so if they pay the players generating the most money the lion's share, that's men's football and men's basketball, with women's basketball on the rise.

I don't think there's an analogue for football on the women's side.

Sounds like each school decides how they wish to divvy it up.

And it's a cap, not a guarantee that a school will spend these kinds of $. Or do I have that incorrectly?

I agree with the Notre Dame statement, essentially saying this is a temporary band-aid.

[Chousnake]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

[norcalhop]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

[a fan]

Forum lawyeres: since all these schools get Federal Money....won't Title IX show up in discussions of pay equity? Title IX doesn't care about ticket sales or TV contracts, correct?

TIA

[wgdsr]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

[wgdsr]

Forum lawyeres: since all these schools get Federal Money....won't Title IX show up in discussions of pay equity? Title IX doesn't care about ticket sales or TV contracts, correct?

TIA

title nine doesn't demand equal for anything. your word was equity, and i know not the same necessarily. for eons up to now, the bennies are heavy in favor of males (or should i say football and basketball).

[Typical Lax Dad]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

Hopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.

[1766]

Boosters at some schools are unlikely to bow out. It's a difference maker for luring athletes.

It will be interesting to see how schools divvy out the money in relation to revenue sports and in consideration of Title 9 requirements.

[a fan]

Forum lawyeres: since all these schools get Federal Money....won't Title IX show up in discussions of pay equity? Title IX doesn't care about ticket sales or TV contracts, correct?

TIA

title nine doesn't demand equal for anything. your word was equity, and i know not the same necessarily. for eons up to now, the bennies are heavy in favor of males (or should i say football and basketball).

Thanks!

[a fan]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

Hopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.

My understanding is that the SCOTUS ruling tells the NCAA that they can't dictate/control anything about what a student gets in the free market.

If they try and limit, a player can sue, and win....and the NCAA risks further problems, do they not? They have to treat athletes the same as every other American worker: you charge what the market will bear for your services.

Or am I missing something?

In short, Harvard can't cap what a student is paid for a summer internship or job. So how can they tell a student athlete what they can get paid by whomever they can get paid from?

[wgdsr]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

Hopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.

the original proposal thrown out there by the new nc$$ chief was $30m for schools that wanted to be in a tier 1 league, and that the money would be spread between men and women. he was spitballing and don't think he got in the weeds on whether that meant equal or whatever. but if it isn't allowable? to pay qb's big money, then nil will be alive and well. if nicked because they'll need boosters to fund both pools. or cut sports.


what's going thru now is a bit lower number, and for now everyone's still playing together. what i'm sure of is things will change.

[Typical Lax Dad]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

Hopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.

the original proposal thrown out there by the new nc$$ chief was $30m for schools that wanted to be in a tier 1 league, and that the money would be spread between men and women. he was spitballing and don't think he got in the weeds on whether that meant equal or whatever. but if it isn't allowable? to pay qb's big money, then nil will be alive and well. if nicked because they'll need boosters to fund both pools. or cut sports.


what's going thru now is a bit lower number, and for now everyone's still playing together. what i'm sure of is things will change.

Maybe they put some teeth into “extra” benefits. The NBA, NFL, MLB, and the NHL are not free markets where anything goes . I would shut a lot of the nonsense down. I am going to give it until next week to reach out to the guy I know.

[laxpert]

I think the settlement raises more questions than answers other than the NCAA dodging anti-trust violations.

At what point are paid athletes employees and possible impact on T9 ?
Could a condition of accepting payment from the university be that you can’t take collective money?
Will there be a challenge to the 16 sport minimum?
Another deterrent to Men’s D1 lacrosse expansion?
Is this bigger than NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma
Does an academic component even exist in big time Football and Basketball ?

[a fan]

All the articles I read mentioned $20 million per school for the major conference schools to be divided among all athletes. There is no mention of what happens to schools not in major conferences. If the Big 10 and ACC start paying lax players and every other conference does not, that will be the end of lacrosse as we know it. A handful of schools will have a big advantage over all others, but the sport can't be played with just 10 teams at D1.

Right now it would be Big 10 and ND. Though I would expect another round of conference realignment. Seems likely that college football resembles the NFL in 5-10 years. I believe it will be Big 10/SEC, instead of AFC/NFC. ACC seems to like the next casualty of conference realignment. Their share of the pie is falling well behind. A completely equal pay out to all players seems grossly unfair to me. I would think there will be some merit based pay. What that split looks like is anyone's guess. Could it be 50% goes to every athlete and the next 50% is based on revenue your team brings to the University? 25%/75%? 75/25?

There are about 1000 athletes at most big colleges (Michigan has 900, Cornell has 1400). If you divide $20 million equally, it is $20,000 per athlete. I find it hard to believe that the football QB at Michigan , a player on the women's volleyball team, and a back up player on the tennis team each get $20,000.

I haven't been following this closely enough, so is the NCAA paying the schools each $20M? Or are the schools responsible themselves for generating the $20M and paying it to athletes? Ivies aren't generating that much in profit from their major sports I imagine.

it will be to allow schools to spend as much as $20 million to pay athletes directly. so out of their budget. schools can spend zero if they want to.

Hopefully this returns some sanity to NIL. Get the boosters out of the sport. I am going to ask my friend that runs an NIL pool what this means.

the original proposal thrown out there by the new nc$$ chief was $30m for schools that wanted to be in a tier 1 league, and that the money would be spread between men and women. he was spitballing and don't think he got in the weeds on whether that meant equal or whatever. but if it isn't allowable? to pay qb's big money, then nil will be alive and well. if nicked because they'll need boosters to fund both pools. or cut sports.


what's going thru now is a bit lower number, and for now everyone's still playing together. what i'm sure of is things will change.

Maybe they put some teeth into “extra” benefits. The NBA, NFL, MLB, and the NHL are not free markets where anything goes . I would shut a lot of the nonsense down. I am going to give it until next week to reach out to the guy I know.

All those leagues are 100% anything goes for NIL deals. I’m assuming that’s not what you meant.

And all the leagues are Unionized.

[Chousnake]

IMO, it's just another way that the money grab that is college football is changing college sports for the worse. First, the conferences reshuffling, all for football, just wrecked other sports. The Big East was a great hoops conference until the football school members left it for the ACC. Have Syracuse and BC done well in the ACC?

Now the super conferences have made a mockery of geography. Athletes in non-revenue sports have to travel across the country. A USC swimmer will have to travel to NJ to swim vs Rutgers. How ridiculous is that just so USC football makes more money in the B10. Now you add this payment issue and what happens to sports outside the 5 major conferences? What happens to non-revenue producing sports? Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but this does not seem like a favorable situation for the future of lacrosse and other sports like it (ice hockey, wrestling). How does the Ivy League and Big East and the A10 and other lax conferences compete with the B10 in this new world? And what happens when the ACC breaks apart for football reasons and Duke and Syracuse are left behind when FSU, Clemson, ND, and UNC join the SEC/B10? And I think you are mistaken if you think power 5 conference schools will be adding lax any time soon.

[Ezra White]

And all the leagues are Unionized.

Dartmouth's Men's basketball is already unionized.