Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:25 pmI absolutely think Danos offense is stale and the best thing they could do is take Matt “Lenny” Danowski out back and put down. Scotty ruined Urick’s legacy as well. And yet they have the talent that they still we in the finals last year and were sitting here wondering what a catastrophe a quarterfinals loss is. Wait until Tillman has a similar stretch of 1st -2nd rd exits it’s just math that it’ll happen eventually.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:19 pmIt's almost like this is a four year problem and not one game. They had the most talented roster in the sport for four years and missed the tournament once and lost today in a Quarterfinal that they were a 3-4 goal favorite in.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 9:07 pmTillman may be a better coach than Dano but let’s not forget the FO differential. Wiseman kept them in the game with his offense in fact in the first half. So it still feels like a shaky Duke loss for me we’re talking about losing to an elite coach who has elite 5th yr FOGO and goalie. Come on. That’s how Del went to the FF and Beynr beat Cuse in the playoffs and is probably the best odds of a user of any strategy or composition of a smaller/underdog team. Not to take anything away from Maltz et al but a sober view is that an excellent experienced coach beat another good coach with far superior play at FO and goal. If you go to the freshman of the year thread you’ll get prose on how great Jameison is and he saved like 35%.jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 7:50 pmThis is the key with everything regarding Duke and that offense. It’s all so static. Everyone is stationary. They have their roles and play them and nothing changes. No interchange of positions, no picks or two man games. Dodge and win your matchup, if you do, hit the open man. When O’Neill is on it, it works perfectly. If not…it’s just flat.coda wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:45 pmI put this in Maryland thread, but Zawaada killed Maryland in both games last year. He had 13 pts in 2 games in a different system. Michigan had him dodge from everywhereLaxitup21 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 6:32 pmI agree. I think the main issue was Oniell and Dyson Williams provide the same trait, they are scorers and lefty’s. Both do not quarterback a team at all. That’s no knock on them, they are incredible players obviously but I always found that to be an awkward overlap.coda wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:59 pmDuke offense went full club lacrosse. Outside of dodge past the guy in front of you, it was hard to see a plan. ONeill is ONeill, he came in a great scorer and left a great scorer. Hasn’t added much to his game. MacAdorey is the same guy we saw as a freshmen. That might be the biggest knock on the Duke staffLaxitup21 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 5:48 pm It’s time for Danowski to go. That offense Duke had was pitiful. It’s like only 2 people had the green light to ever truly go.
You had a dodger and a measley throwback, rise, wash and repeat as their o
Probably a hard decision to make but surprised they stuck with Naso as long as they did with Weinerman dominating and Girard performing well recently.
Ultimately, you are know for May and Duke struck out big time with O’Neill.
If I was coach of this team, Macadorey would have been the right wing at attack and Dyson Williams would be playing crease only coming out of the box.
I would have made Dyson a designated crease guy because of this. Him on the LW never made sense with Brennan. It shows vs the good teams.
Macadorey is a good player but they have him playing all over the place. Him vs Cuse in ACCt was his best game and at attack.
Regardless of scheme, Duke, like UNC, lack multiple inside box guys. Dyson obviously can finish but besides that it’s an open O that rely on middies to out run their man, again, hard vs top teams.
Never really had the second QB or ball movement inside to make this o work. O Neil could have spent more time inside as well to throw them off. They all camped out in their natural spot, which they all excelled at, but never was able to throw in the wrinkles vs the good teams
I’ll admit my fault on Terps putting someone else on O’Neill and leaving Zaps to guard Zawada. Zawada dodged from one spot and he was out of the game completely. That’s not how Zawada killed the Terps.
They’re one of the easiest teams to scout in every facet. Same offense every week, no ride, no transition. It’s all about the talent.
Sometimes, great coaching beats great talent
It's almost like the offense had problems with LONG scoring droughts even in games where they WON a bunch of faceoffs (first Syracuse game, BU, etc.)
It's almost like the complete lack of adjustments to O'Neill being played out of the game and the offense devolving into 1v1 iso ball has been a chronic issue brought up numerous times.
These are all things that have happened to this team over and over and over again.
Duke wasn’t s**t until basically the 2000s and the biggest failure of all was
The 2005 and 2007 Playoff performances )as great as Harrison and the hop team
Was in 05) under Pressler/. Nobody talked about bouncing him after 05. Point being is Dano side better or worse effectively set the standard there. That’s a powerful chip with people at times .
Yes, they have all the talent that we're talking about them losing in the Quarterfinals is a disappointment. That's the point. Maryland had just as much talent in 2022 and went undefeated. UVA has had just as much or nearly as much talent over the last 4-5 years and only missed the F4 once, when they had to play that Maryland team. Notre Dame's been right there the last couple years and made 2 straight Final Fours and beaten them like 6 straight times. Meanwhile Duke missed the tournament in 2022 - which was inexcusable - and blew it this year. They do not achieve relative to their peers.
I'm not sure what the heck 2000s Duke has anything to do with this. Nowhere did I say Dino was a bad coach or didn't achieve anything in his career