Atlantic 10 2024

[Farfromgeneva]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

[FMUBart]

Hard for an non-crease attackman to be POY when he has 0 assists in league play...don't see Patterson having the ability to
QB an offense. He's more of an out-of-the box slasher/go to the goal guy with an average ability to draw and dump, imo..

[Farfromgeneva]

Hard for an non-crease attackman to be POY when he has 0 assists in league play...don't see Patterson having the ability
QB and offense. He's more of an out-of-the box slasher, with an average ability to draw and dump..

Ill fix but meant ROY look at the FR

[FMUBart]

Hard for an non-crease attackman to be POY when he has 0 assists in league play...don't see Patterson having the ability
QB and offense. He's more of an out-of-the box slasher, with an average ability to draw and dump..

Ill fix but meant ROY look at the FR

Agree with ROY; scored a lot of big goals

[DoubleD]

Blake Behlen is in the portal. Former LIU and Stonybrook attackman. Don't be surprised if he teams up again with Lacalandra at St Joes. Behlen, Page and Lacalandra would be a legit solid attack unit for them again. A few adds St Joes can be very good again next season.

[Laxbuck]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

[Laxbuck]

Blake Behlen is in the portal. Former LIU and Stonybrook attackman. Don't be surprised if he teams up again with Lacalandra at St Joes. Behlen, Page and Lacalandra would be a legit solid attack unit for them again. A few adds St Joes can be very good again next season.

Page has no eligibility left

[Ketch]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-1. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

A couple of those games did come down to one goal, but the answer to your questions is obvious (and you know it already). St. Joe's is flat out a better team/program at this point in time. Excellent coach, excellent players, whether homegrown or acquired through transfer.

[Laxgunea]

Amen to honesty, Ketch.
Q: "Why does St. Joe's win more?"
A: "Because they're better.
And I'd like to post to the Hobart thread:
Q: "How can Hobart win more?"
A: "Play better."

[Ketch]

Amen to honesty, Ketch.
Q: "Why does St. Joe's win more?"
A: "Because they're better.
And I'd like to post to the Hobart thread:
Q: "How can Hobart win more?"
A: "Play better."

No reason to beat around the bush, no? Winning begets winning, and St. Joe's is winning a lot. We've got to get back to that point.

[Farfromgeneva]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

What? Ok. Let’s go look at records in and out or conference for 2014-2019 and what happened to st joes in the NEC tourney. I don’t know why you turned this into bitchfest.

2014: 11-4 sos must’ve been 55 or lower but beat a very weak Hobart team by 7 end of season then combine turn around and lose to then in Rd 1 NEC tourney at home
2015: 11-6 better schedule lose in NEC final 10-6 to Bryant who they beat at Bryant in the reg season.
2016: 12-4, beat Hobart bad in reg season only to get waxed in finals by them.
2017: 5-9 no conf toruney
2018: 11-4 yet another regular season underrated in conference and lose in finals to RoMo
2019: 7-7 no don’t tourney

All that time they front ran and feasted when it didn’t matter it literally took until 2022 for them to show up when it mattered. Look above here and then you can entering me explains why what I said wasn’t true.


You think I’m mad or upset because I wasn’t aware Hobart’s been bad for too long and you’re slapping me in the face with this? Good assumption.

[Farfromgeneva]

Amen to honesty, Ketch.
Q: "Why does St. Joe's win more?"
A: "Because they're better.
And I'd like to post to the Hobart thread:
Q: "How can Hobart win more?"
A: "Play better."

He’s just mad I would ever point out structural differences or how they front ran and not dogged it when it didn’t matter to only come up empty handed for years in the prior decade in the NEC. So may conference tourney losses to teams they blew out in the reg season. And then thinks I’d be surprised to learn my school has sucked ass for a bit here.

Fact is wrays model is like a canslla 2000s or Pressler where you try to bulky and abuse everyone and push the limits etc on field and combine it with the ability to cast a much wider net. I’ve never turd in their success or even rooted against them outside Hobart games but it is what it is.

[Olderbarndog]

Dude, as far as Coach Canella is concerned, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[DoubleD]

Blake Behlen is in the portal. Former LIU and Stonybrook attackman. Don't be surprised if he teams up again with Lacalandra at St Joes. Behlen, Page and Lacalandra would be a legit solid attack unit for them again. A few adds St Joes can be very good again next season.

Page has no eligibility left

Wow ur right I thought he had 1 more yr. That's another big loss they gotta replace then.

[Farfromgeneva]

Dude, as far as Coach Canella is concerned, you have no idea what you're talking about.

We shared a conference with them for a while.

[Olderbarndog]

Dude, as far as Coach Canella is concerned, you have no idea what you're talking about.

We shared a conference with them for a while.

Aware of that. Ask anyone who has played for him. Stand up guy, no bs.

[Laxbuck]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

What? Ok. Let’s go look at records in and out or conference for 2014-2019 and what happened to st joes in the NEC tourney. I don’t know why you turned this into bitchfest.

2014: 11-4 sos must’ve been 55 or lower but beat a very weak Hobart team by 7 end of season then combine turn around and lose to then in Rd 1 NEC tourney at home
2015: 11-6 better schedule lose in NEC final 10-6 to Bryant who they beat at Bryant in the reg season.
2016: 12-4, beat Hobart bad in reg season only to get waxed in finals by them.
2017: 5-9 no conf toruney
2018: 11-4 yet another regular season underrated in conference and lose in finals to RoMo
2019: 7-7 no don’t tourney

All that time they front ran and feasted when it didn’t matter it literally took until 2022 for them to show up when it mattered. Look above here and then you can entering me explains why what I said wasn’t true.


You think I’m mad or upset because I wasn’t aware Hobart’s been bad for too long and you’re slapping me in the face with this? Good assumption.

I don’t look at it as a bitchfest. I made the point that Taylor Wray is a huge factor in St. Joe’s success. Despite losing the 3 most prolific scorers in program history and other very productive players that you detailed, they will continue to have success. You questioned that due to prior failures in NEC tournament games. That’s fair. It’s also fair to point out the delta btw Hobart and SJU over the last 4 years as they have a ton of common opponents.

[Farfromgeneva]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

What? Ok. Let’s go look at records in and out or conference for 2014-2019 and what happened to st joes in the NEC tourney. I don’t know why you turned this into bitchfest.

2014: 11-4 sos must’ve been 55 or lower but beat a very weak Hobart team by 7 end of season then combine turn around and lose to then in Rd 1 NEC tourney at home
2015: 11-6 better schedule lose in NEC final 10-6 to Bryant who they beat at Bryant in the reg season.
2016: 12-4, beat Hobart bad in reg season only to get waxed in finals by them.
2017: 5-9 no conf toruney
2018: 11-4 yet another regular season underrated in conference and lose in finals to RoMo
2019: 7-7 no don’t tourney

All that time they front ran and feasted when it didn’t matter it literally took until 2022 for them to show up when it mattered. Look above here and then you can entering me explains why what I said wasn’t true.


You think I’m mad or upset because I wasn’t aware Hobart’s been bad for too long and you’re slapping me in the face with this? Good assumption.

I don’t look at it as a bitchfest. I made the point that Taylor Wray is a huge factor in St. Joe’s success. Despite losing the 3 most prolific scorers in program history and other very productive players that you detailed, they will continue to have success. You questioned that due to prior failures in NEC tournament games. That’s fair. It’s also fair to point out the delta btw Hobart and SJU over the last 4 years as they have a ton of common opponents.

Like Hobart fans aren’t focused on st joes 99% of the time, I would suggest that it should be even doubly so that Wray would be wasting his time focusing on Hobart these days. So my point is what’s that got to do with the price of tea in China? Setting aside for a minute that I’ve made my thoughts on our HC clear, are you saying that maybe an imitation should change or Disregard its typical standards to win a couple of A10 lacrosse titles and quick outs? None of
It addressed the point That it’s been a nice run but they didn’t do it when they weren’t getting 55%+ at FO. As well as generally well above average goalie play. If one or both of those slips does he bank the wins and gains achieved and build off it or slide back. I don’t know. You’re saying Wray will 100% do it and I’m saying ok and maybe he’s over the hump forever but theres a decent bit of history of that not being the case still so let’s see. How the records of honest and st Joes has anything to do with that I just cannot see…

Or the programs has a standard of staying a for Hobart as success then I will bet heavy on a slide backwards at some point. You’re talking about a program where kids are running for the hills including multiple FR starters and a rising senior quasi starter. Hey guess what, my record in chess against my children these last few years is incredible!

[Farfromgeneva]

In other words: never beef down

[Laxbuck]

Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
-----------------
2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0

They loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.

I wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner

Yeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.

I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.

Last 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?

What? Ok. Let’s go look at records in and out or conference for 2014-2019 and what happened to st joes in the NEC tourney. I don’t know why you turned this into bitchfest.

2014: 11-4 sos must’ve been 55 or lower but beat a very weak Hobart team by 7 end of season then combine turn around and lose to then in Rd 1 NEC tourney at home
2015: 11-6 better schedule lose in NEC final 10-6 to Bryant who they beat at Bryant in the reg season.
2016: 12-4, beat Hobart bad in reg season only to get waxed in finals by them.
2017: 5-9 no conf toruney
2018: 11-4 yet another regular season underrated in conference and lose in finals to RoMo
2019: 7-7 no don’t tourney

All that time they front ran and feasted when it didn’t matter it literally took until 2022 for them to show up when it mattered. Look above here and then you can entering me explains why what I said wasn’t true.


You think I’m mad or upset because I wasn’t aware Hobart’s been bad for too long and you’re slapping me in the face with this? Good assumption.

I don’t look at it as a bitchfest. I made the point that Taylor Wray is a huge factor in St. Joe’s success. Despite losing the 3 most prolific scorers in program history and other very productive players that you detailed, they will continue to have success. You questioned that due to prior failures in NEC tournament games. That’s fair. It’s also fair to point out the delta btw Hobart and SJU over the last 4 years as they have a ton of common opponents.

Like Hobart fans aren’t focused on st joes 99% of the time, I would suggest that it should be even doubly so that Wray would be wasting his time focusing on Hobart these days. So my point is what’s that got to do with the price of tea in China? Setting aside for a minute that I’ve made my thoughts on our HC clear, are you saying that maybe an imitation should change or Disregard its typical standards to win a couple of A10 lacrosse titles and quick outs? None of
It addressed the point That it’s been a nice run but they didn’t do it when they weren’t getting 55%+ at FO. As well as generally well above average goalie play. If one or both of those slips does he bank the wins and gains achieved and build off it or slide back. I don’t know. You’re saying Wray will 100% do it and I’m saying ok and maybe he’s over the hump forever but theres a decent bit of history of that not being the case still so let’s see. How the records of honest and st Joes has anything to do with that I just cannot see…

Or the programs has a standard of staying a for Hobart as success then I will bet heavy on a slide backwards at some point. You’re talking about a program where kids are running for the hills including multiple FR starters and a rising senior quasi starter. Hey guess what, my record in chess against my children these last few years is incredible!

Reasons to compare the 2 are the common opponents and the success at facing off. Shea is the all-time leader in FO wins at Hobart IIRC. The discussion goes back to what are the expectations for St. Joe’s in 2025. With similar opponents and FO success Hobart was the logical comp.