All Things China

[cradleandshoot]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

[foreverlax]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan.....

Plenty of information on this topic - google "how will democrats pay for free college"

took .44 seconds....

[Typical Lax Dad]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

[cradleandshoot]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan.....

Plenty of information on this topic - google "how will democrats pay for free college"

took .44 seconds....

That is very nice of those democrats to open their checkbooks and pay for all that free college. Why usually when a politician offers something for free the taxpayer winds up getting stuck with the tab.

[cradleandshoot]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

Of course as much as it is possible to do so. I actually am a bigger fan of helping these HS graduates that are not college material find their way into trade schools. My youngest son graduated with a business degree. He is now working as a security guard. Too many young people go to college with no idea of what they want to do in life.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

Of course as much as it is possible to do so. I actually am a bigger fan of helping these HS graduates that are not college material find their way into trade schools. My youngest son graduated with a business degree. He is now working as a security guard. Too many young people go to college with no idea of what they want to do in life.

Don't know what to tell you. My view, is college is more than "job training". My view is also that it is not for everyone. Like most of your comments, your experience is most peoples?......
Evaluating the Return on Investment in Higher Education

[foreverlax]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

I actually am a bigger fan of helping these HS graduates that are not college material find their way into trade schools.

Been a fan of that concept for decades.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

I actually am a bigger fan of helping these HS graduates that are not college material find their way into trade schools.

Been a fan of that concept for decades.

So have I..... In fact I went to high school with a bunch of guys that took "shop" classes and went to work right out of high school..... many worked for tier 3 auto parts and metal bending factories....... college isn't for everyone.

[a fan]

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Same way every other 1st world country pays for it: raise taxes to a reasonable level.

We have done nothing but cut taxes for 20 years. Raise them. Switch to my consumption tax, preferably.

And for me, R's should jump all over the idea of free training for high tech jobs. If I were king? It would be free State Run universities, but only for majors that will pay bills------want to learn poetry? Great. You can get an English Degree in Secondary Education and teach when you get out.

Make all JUCO's switch to STEM training, and things like machine operation, tool and die. Make all the State's Manufacturing CEO's, with a mixx of smaller businessmen, sit on the JUCO board, and direct the training to their needs.

Then when these kids get out, you tax their higher earnings.

Ran into a guy at the grocery store. Saw my Carhartts, and asked what I did for a living. Reason he asked was, he's a plant engineer at Kroger, and they're so short of plant and equipment managers that they're reaching out to India and Germany to get the workers. These are $60K+ starting jobs. And they can't fill them. This is criminal, and entirely fixable.

You can't get the R's to shut up about big government, and work to fix the problem. What we're doing now is: Spend more on a bunch of cr*p we don't need (remember, Trump just blew $2Trillion on non-military, non-infrastructure BS), and hope the money flows to the bottom earners. It's not doing that effectively.

[old salt]

VDH on the new world order. afan will enjoy it.

https://www.hoover.org/news/victor-davi ... obal-order

[a fan]

He does the same thing in every piece---completely contradicts himself, and never realizes it.

To wit:

So, unlike the old Soviet Union, China is integrated within the West, culturally, economically, and politically.

Followed by:

First, we must give up the 40-year fantasies that the richer China gets, the more Western and liberal it will become

Whoops. Forget about your first sentence already, Hanson?

This is how wars are started. EXACTLY how wars are started. Guys like Hanson, working in right wing Think Tanks, putting together paranoid theories that are self-fulfilling prophecies.

So instead of cheering the almost 50 years of peace brought to us by a brilliant Nixon, VDH and other clutzes like Bolton pick a pointless fight over a nothing sandwich---the very thing old salt is claiming we're doing with Russia.

So let's use VDH's own words more logically, and come to a different path:

.....the Democrats, have been raging about Chinese cheating for decades

First of all, it ain't the Dems. It's Congress and the 1% Masters that they serve. As for us 99%ers? I could give two figs that China is counterfeiting PIng driving irons. Don't care. Not even a little. Which brings us to VDH's other sentiment:

.....the US economy is so huge and diverse that China simply cannot cause serious damage.

There it is. That's why Bush did nothing. That's why Obama did nothing. It's a made up, nothing-sandwich complaint in the grand scheme of things. China manipulates currency? QE ring a bell? What do you think that was? Or all the government money to our farmers and other exporters? Every country does it. Socialism.

As for the "short term damage?" Trump doesn't care. He's a 1%er. Ask folks who farm or shop at WalMart if they want to play this game not for months...but for decades. All so the CEO of Ping Golf clubs can buy 2 private jets instead of just one.

Oh well. We're not farmers, and don't shop at WalMart, right? So who cares about them. Stick it to them, is what I say. Enjoy your tariffs.


How'd I do, old salt?

[old salt]

He does the same thing in every piece---completely contradicts himself, and never realizes it.

To wit:

So, unlike the old Soviet Union, China is integrated within the West, culturally, economically, and politically.
Compared with the USSR that's true. Compare US - China now, to US - USSR, in each of those areas.

Followed by:

First, we must give up the 40-year fantasies that the richer China gets, the more Western and liberal it will become

Whoops. Forget about your first sentence already, Hanson?
They're not the same thing. The first is a comparison of our relations with China now, compared to USSR decades ago.
40 years ago, I was astonished to see the counterfeit reprinted books for sale on the pier in Hong Kong. You could stock an entire law, medical or technical library for less than 1/10 th cost of originals. Despite all the happy talk, it has gotten worse rather than better, in terms of copyright infringement & theft of intellectual property, thanks to the internet.

This is how wars are started. EXACTLY how wars are started. Guys like Hanson, working in right wing Think Tanks, putting together paranoid theories that are self-fulfilling prophecies.

So instead of cheering the almost 50 years of peace brought to us by a brilliant Nixon, VDH and other clutzes like Bolton pick a pointless fight over a nothing sandwich---the very thing old salt is claiming we're doing with Russia.

So let's use VDH's own words more logically, and come to a different path:

.....the Democrats, have been raging about Chinese cheating for decades

First of all, it ain't the Dems. It's the EUros too. They're happy to have Trump running interference, after their decades of hand wringing. It's Congress and the 1% Masters that they serve. As for us 99%ers? I could give two figs that China is counterfeiting PIng driving irons. Don't care. Not even a little. Which brings us to VDH's other sentiment:

.....the US economy is so huge and diverse that China simply cannot cause serious damage.

There it is. That's why Bush did nothing. That's why Obama did nothing. They just watched our jobs go offshore, while corporate earnings blossomed.It's a made up, nothing-sandwich complaint in the grand scheme of things. China manipulates currency? QE ring a bell? What do you think that was? Or all the government money to our farmers and other exporters? Every country does it. Socialism.
Why the F are we buying junk Chinese washing machines. My landlords in Japan & Spain offered me top $$$ for my used Amana's

As for the "short term damage?" Trump doesn't care. He's a 1%er. Ask folks who farm or shop at WalMart if they want to play this game not for months...but for decades. All so the CEO of Ping Golf clubs can buy 2 private jets instead of just one. You'd care if you had a blue collar job making or shipping Ping golf clubs for the past 30 years.

Oh well. We're not farmers, and don't shop at WalMart, right? So who cares about them. Stick it to them, is what I say. Enjoy your tariffs.
There's plenty of other countries anxious to sell Walmart cheap junk made by slave labor in envirohazard conditions. It's a global ag market. We'll sell to the customers abandonded by China's new suppliers. Markets adjust.


How'd I do, old salt?
Myopic, as usual.

[Typical Lax Dad]

He does the same thing in every piece---completely contradicts himself, and never realizes it.

To wit:

So, unlike the old Soviet Union, China is integrated within the West, culturally, economically, and politically.
Compared with the USSR that's true. Compare US - China now, to US - USSR, in each of those areas.

Followed by:

First, we must give up the 40-year fantasies that the richer China gets, the more Western and liberal it will become

Whoops. Forget about your first sentence already, Hanson?
They're not the same thing. The first is a comparison of our relations with China now, compared to USSR decades ago.
40 years ago, I was astonished to see the counterfeit reprinted books for sale on the pier in Hong Kong. You could stock an entire law, medical or technical library for less than 1/10 th cost of originals. Despite all the happy talk, it has gotten worse rather than better, in terms of copyright infringement & theft of intellectual property, thanks to the internet.

This is how wars are started. EXACTLY how wars are started. Guys like Hanson, working in right wing Think Tanks, putting together paranoid theories that are self-fulfilling prophecies.

So instead of cheering the almost 50 years of peace brought to us by a brilliant Nixon, VDH and other clutzes like Bolton pick a pointless fight over a nothing sandwich---the very thing old salt is claiming we're doing with Russia.

So let's use VDH's own words more logically, and come to a different path:

.....the Democrats, have been raging about Chinese cheating for decades

First of all, it ain't the Dems. It's the EUros too. They're happy to have Trump running interference, after their decades of hand wringing. It's Congress and the 1% Masters that they serve. As for us 99%ers? I could give two figs that China is counterfeiting PIng driving irons. Don't care. Not even a little. Which brings us to VDH's other sentiment:

.....the US economy is so huge and diverse that China simply cannot cause serious damage.

There it is. That's why Bush did nothing. That's why Obama did nothing. They just watched our jobs go offshore, while corporate earnings blossomed.It's a made up, nothing-sandwich complaint in the grand scheme of things. China manipulates currency? QE ring a bell? What do you think that was? Or all the government money to our farmers and other exporters? Every country does it. Socialism.
Why the F are we buying junk Chinese washing machines. My landlords in Japan & Spain offered me top $$$ for my used Amana's

As for the "short term damage?" Trump doesn't care. He's a 1%er. Ask folks who farm or shop at WalMart if they want to play this game not for months...but for decades. All so the CEO of Ping Golf clubs can buy 2 private jets instead of just one. You'd care if you had a blue collar job making or shipping Ping golf clubs for the past 30 years.

Oh well. We're not farmers, and don't shop at WalMart, right? So who cares about them. Stick it to them, is what I say. Enjoy your tariffs.
There's plenty of other countries anxious to sell Walmart cheap junk made by slave labor in envirohazard conditions. It's a global ag market. We'll sell to the customers abandonded by China's new suppliers. Markets adjust.


How'd I do, old salt?
Myopic, as usual.

As usual, hero worshipping. I stopped at age 14.

[OCanada]

China is our main rival going forward. Walmart and Starbucks led the charge to lower costs by cutting compensation. All of a sudden capitalism is a bad thing, China didn’t force anyone to move jobs off shore. China has also done it. We didn’t just move them to China. We moved them to SE Asia and central and South America as well. China has things we need and have to have.

The idea of intellectual property theft is amusing in the sense the USA did it when it began developing. So did Kapan and SK and various other countries. It is SOP for developing countries. Japan would buy something , tear it down and recreate it. It was labeled “reverse engineering”.

I totally agreee we need a reset on patents. But we are way too far the other way. But the administration is on the wrong path to create a new rule set. We also need to stop pushing them to reset their currency. They saw what appears to other countries that did that to please us. They are not a colony or sphere of influence

[runrussellrun]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

In all of that talk they never tell us how they plan on paying for it. What it really is is an idea with no plan. Free college...why? Is this the same guy that has railed about giving money to farmers. I understand the logic. The problem is there are a lot of things as a country we want to do. The problem is at some point we have to realize we can't afford to do everything. Unless there are untold mountains of money hiding out there that none of us know about.

Would you be OK with making some colleges "affordable"

Of course as much as it is possible to do so. I actually am a bigger fan of helping these HS graduates that are not college material find their way into trade schools. My youngest son graduated with a business degree. He is now working as a security guard. Too many young people go to college with no idea of what they want to do in life.

Don't know what to tell you. My view, is college is more than "job training". My view is also that it is not for everyone. Like most of your comments, your experience is most peoples?......
Evaluating the Return on Investment in Higher Education

Because ALL get callbacks when applying for THAT job. Lots of wallstreet banksters from Plymouth State, SUNH and Rivier, to go along with Dartmouth grads. Does Harvard extension school offer accredited degrees?

Learn to code ...or what A Fan says, "should've studied in HIGH school, all you GED losers in flyover states" B/c, I wasn't ,while spending all day long in the hospital, constantly peppered with questions about the very same "$tudy" talked about on these threads (genetic makeup and pre-disposed conditions) paid for by the tax payers, here in eastern Mass. Sure other hospitals in Dubuque, IA or PolPot, LA are getting the white collar welfare too

[runrussellrun]

China is our main rival going forward. Walmart and Starbucks led the charge to lower costs by cutting compensation. All of a sudden capitalism is a bad thing, China didn’t force anyone to move jobs off shore. China has also done it. We didn’t just move them to China. We moved them to SE Asia and central and South America as well. China has things we need and have to have.

The idea of intellectual property theft is amusing in the sense the USA did it when it began developing. So did Kapan and SK and various other countries. It is SOP for developing countries. Japan would buy something , tear it down and recreate it. It was labeled “reverse engineering”.

I totally agreee we need a reset on patents. But we are way too far the other way. But the administration is on the wrong path to create a new rule set. We also need to stop pushing them to reset their currency. They saw what appears to other countries that did that to please us. They are not a colony or sphere of influence

You mean when John F. Kerry and John McCain hugged Vietnam, US oligarchs made fortune$? Who knew? (Harvard, tax payer funded, just opened a PRIVATE university in Vietnam....awesome )

Exclusive development rights to the formers cousin? It's like tRump invented all this un-ethical stuff all by himself.

What's THIS agency all about?

https://www.usaid.gov/vietnam

[OCanada]

Heck I wasn’t even discussing corruption I was discussing economic development and bad policy.

Vietnam does have the virtue of being a millennia old adversary of China. All of SE Asia is developing economically. Unfortunate we turned the TPP over to China.

On the other hand the corruption within Trump is virtually Putinesque

[6ftstick]

So What the heck is the Democrat plan to change this?? Exactly... the Democrats have no plan.

Multiple candidates are talking universal health care and free college.

Those two things alone would have an massively positive effect on the lives of the bottom 50% of American earners.

You're obviously guilty and full of white privilige. Lets cut out the democrat middleman and just send me a check for 250K, I'll message you my address!

[OCanada]

You would be the one sending the check on healthcare. Universal healthcare would lower the cost not increase it. Almost any health plan in any of the advanced economies would lower costs. I will give you an address to forward your savings

[ABV 8.3%]

Because it's Trump. And only Trump. That is borrowing money.

Who's signature is on those three spending bills totaling $2.7 Trillion? That's right. Trump's. Dance all you want. Please. Anything to avoid holding him responsible for anything at all, right? Nope. He owns that signature. He's a politician. A proven liar.

US will not bail on paying bonds, sorry. Sell your nonsense somewhere else, and answer the question: why are we borrowing money from someone we're supposed to be winning a trade war against? Is China the only US Bond owner?

You can't answer it, because there isn't an answer. Because, we can. (see link below)


It's also just one more reason why China is laughing at Trump's fake trade demands.

It a took a while to remember and find, sorry.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... bt/272747/

You don't get it. The problem isn't that China is holding already issued bonds. The problem is: what happens if China decides to stop buying bonds as a part of the trade war?

Our expenses are ongoing.

Let's get crystal clear here. When you say "CHINA" is buying bonds, what does this mean? What name is listed on the I or EE bonds?

"China" owns roughly 5% of US debt, or is my information wrong? Regardless, is it the Zhang Wei's of the world who own the stock (the mom and pops of China) or the big financial institutions that are named on the bonds? Does it matter to you?

Asking for a friend: Do any publically traded assets, here in the USA, invest in SE Asian markets? Specifically MUTUAL funds?
It matters, because who actually holds the savings bonds matters. Doesn't it?