Navy 2022

[DocBarrister]

I’ve got a serious question: Coach Pietramala is in limbo with one year left on his contract, no top cover like he used to have, damaged from the 2013 fiasco when everyone crossed swords with President Daniels to come up with the rolling suspensions “solution”, and firmly in lame duck status unless some white smoke emerges over Homewood after Memorial Day.

Even then, any Hopkins renewal might only be a 1, 2, or perhaps 3 year extension after only so-so results over a decade. But Hopkins is a very difficult place to recruit. It basically recruits itself, often to its detriment.

Navy also recruits itself and has a lot of major selling points that Hopkins does not have.

So the question: any interest in swooping in with a 7 or 8 year offer at $300K per year to Pietramala?

Not only would that be better than what he’s currently getting, it would offer him more security than how he’s currently being played along, pay him more, and possibly even bring Belichick back down to Annapolis in the near future.

I see many win-win-win aspects to this.

Hopkins folks tell me I’m nuts.

I say follow the money and who wants you the most.

What do you folks in Navy circles say?

And BTW, I will be consulting with some of you by email and PM. Genuinely interested in what you think.

The timing of what goes down in coming weeks is critical for Coach Pietramala.

If the Navy position fills, Tillman doesn’t move, and THEN the shoe drops at Hopkins, where the hell does that leave him? Coaching Towson? Or moving out of the area to the fricking northeast?

I have been seeing a possible Navy-Pietramala match for about three years now. And the circumstances are ripe. The ship will have sailed a year from now. Fish or cut bait.

Thoughts?

We have all seen stranger things come to pass. For what it is worth, I am sure RM would highly recommend Petro if ever asked.

Having said that, while coaching lacrosse at Johns Hopkins is very challenging, I would think coaching at Navy is even more difficult. Navy attracts some of the finest young people in America, but the recruitment pool will be much smaller for lacrosse. In this era, can’t ever see any of the service academies coming close to winning a national championship. Think that is especially true in a time of multiple ongoing wars.

I don’t know what Coach Petro is thinking, but I can’t imagine him seeking another job before all his options at Hopkins run out.

DocBarrister

[thatsmell]

Wombat's offer would be great for Petro. If he doesn't seek a long-term job before he gets canned at Hopkins, whenever that is, Petro probably won't be hired by another big-time program.
He's not Tierney who had sustained success. IMO, he has officially entered the same spot at Cottle late in the game at UMD.
No other college will want a .550 guy that's set in their ways, when they can get a young .550 guy with promise.
It will probably be on to the pros and consulting work for Petro.

[DocBarrister]

Wombat's offer would be great for Petro. If he doesn't seek a long-term job before he gets canned at Hopkins, whenever that is, Petro probably won't be hired by another big-time program.
He's not Tierney who had sustained success. IMO, he has officially entered the same spot at Cottle late in the game at UMD.
No other college will want a .550 guy that's set in their ways, when they can get a young .550 guy with promise.
It will probably be on to the pros and consulting work for Petro.

Utter nonsense.

There aren’t many active head coaches who have led their teams to Division I national championships. That’s something Cottle never achieved. Plus, Pietramala is just 52 years old, with plenty of time to build a program if need be.

Not at all the same situation as Coach Cottle, with all due respect to Cottle.

DocBarrister

[youthathletics]

Can someone please tell me why Wellner, coupled with an offensive minded Ass't like Phipps would be a bad thing.....specifically at Navy?

This hopping from school to school merry-go-round in our small sport is futile, especially in a Patriot League of 9 teams. In this era, teams that have the ability to schedule multiple OOC games are the ones bubbling to the top, along with the historical top 4 or so. Look at Shay or even Murphy.....it took a bunch of time, ups and downs, hitting ~.500 until the right guys clicked on the field. It is not that complicated in our sport. And a SA demands so much more than just lacrosse, especially for an newly introduced outsider.

A big name means squat at a SA...pure and simple. So the heck what if you made it to the finals this year or last...you can no longer brew your own recruits in your backyard where you can handpick them to an ivy or B1G program, or gather/absorb transfers each year to help.

[CU77]

All correct, IMO; but your AD thought otherwise when RS was hired, maybe he's changed his mind now.

[old salt]

Richie Meade was hardly a big name when he was hired. He was a known quantity, with experience at Navy & Army, who did a lot with a little in a unique opportunity at U of B.

[HealthyDebate]

Can someone please tell me why Wellner, coupled with an offensive minded Ass't like Phipps would be a bad thing.....specifically at Navy?

This hopping from school to school merry-go-round in our small sport is futile, especially in a Patriot League of 9 teams. In this era, teams that have the ability to schedule multiple OOC games are the ones bubbling to the top, along with the historical top 4 or so. Look at Shay or even Murphy.....it took a bunch of time, ups and downs, hitting ~.500 until the right guys clicked on the field. It is not that complicated in our sport. And a SA demands so much more than just lacrosse, especially for an newly introduced outsider.

A big name means squat at a SA...pure and simple. So the heck what if you made it to the finals this year or last...you can no longer brew your own recruits in your backyard where you can handpick them to an ivy or B1G program, or gather/absorb transfers each year to help.

Concur. Let’s not retred coaches, let’s call up new ones. This team doesn’t need to be knocked down, it needs continuity and a breathe of life. Let Wellner hire who he wants offensively and see where we go. Tillman/Toomey and who ever else you want to throw in there were assistants once. Bet on the horse in the stable!!!

[Sativa Specialist]

Can someone please tell me why Wellner, coupled with an offensive minded Ass't like Phipps would be a bad thing.....specifically at Navy?

This hopping from school to school merry-go-round in our small sport is futile, especially in a Patriot League of 9 teams. In this era, teams that have the ability to schedule multiple OOC games are the ones bubbling to the top, along with the historical top 4 or so. Look at Shay or even Murphy.....it took a bunch of time, ups and downs, hitting ~.500 until the right guys clicked on the field. It is not that complicated in our sport. And a SA demands so much more than just lacrosse, especially for an newly introduced outsider.

A big name means squat at a SA...pure and simple. So the heck what if you made it to the finals this year or last...you can no longer brew your own recruits in your backyard where you can handpick them to an ivy or B1G program, or gather/absorb transfers each year to help.

Concur. Let’s not retred coaches, let’s call up new ones. This team doesn’t need to be knocked down, it needs continuity and a breathe of life. Let Wellner hire who he wants offensively and see where we go. Tillman/Toomey and who ever else you want to throw in there were assistants once. Bet on the horse in the stable!!!

Healthy Debate, I like your point about hiring new or young coaches. I would think Chet had someone in mind and knew that coach had an interest.

[kramerica.inc]

Wombat's offer would be great for Petro. If he doesn't seek a long-term job before he gets canned at Hopkins, whenever that is, Petro probably won't be hired by another big-time program.
He's not Tierney who had sustained success. IMO, he has officially entered the same spot at Cottle late in the game at UMD.
No other college will want a .550 guy that's set in their ways, when they can get a young .550 guy with promise.
It will probably be on to the pros and consulting work for Petro.

Utter nonsense.

There aren’t many active head coaches who have led their teams to Division I national championships. That’s something Cottle never achieved. Plus, Pietramala is just 52 years old, with plenty of time to build a program if need be.

Not at all the same situation as Coach Cottle, with all due respect to Cottle.

DocBarrister

What have you done for me lately?
I agree that since that early run, Petro and Hopkins has been Meh for the past decade+
Resting on his laurels? Game changing a bit? He was never an offensive mastermind, or hired one. He also has the same cantankerous rep that plagued Cottle. I could totally see Hopkins getting tired of Petro soon. Who would hire him? I agree that he would be lucky to land at a solid D1 mid major, yet alone a mid major like Navy that pays so well. That friendship with Bellichick may very well be Petro's best selling point.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

I think he could excel in the SA environment.

First, he takes care of his players, looks out for them, but the Brigade takes care of itself so he wouldn’t have to be running around the Yard making sure the team is going to classes.

Sure, he’d keep track of them, making sure they are doing okay, but the classroom attendance checks would be a far less of an activity than it has been at times at Hopkins.

For the upperclassmen, they are all in at that point and focused on everything, including leadership.

Plus, he demands attention to detail and execution. That fits the SA mold.

Would he return Navy to the days of DoD? Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

But he could damn well do better in the PL, show up in the NCAAs more often, AND BEAT ARMY TO A PULP.

[DocBarrister]

Wombat's offer would be great for Petro. If he doesn't seek a long-term job before he gets canned at Hopkins, whenever that is, Petro probably won't be hired by another big-time program.
He's not Tierney who had sustained success. IMO, he has officially entered the same spot at Cottle late in the game at UMD.
No other college will want a .550 guy that's set in their ways, when they can get a young .550 guy with promise.
It will probably be on to the pros and consulting work for Petro.

Utter nonsense.

There aren’t many active head coaches who have led their teams to Division I national championships. That’s something Cottle never achieved. Plus, Pietramala is just 52 years old, with plenty of time to build a program if need be.

Not at all the same situation as Coach Cottle, with all due respect to Cottle.

DocBarrister

What have you done for me lately?
I agree that since that early run, Petro and Hopkins has been Meh for the past decade+
Resting on his laurels? Game changing a bit? He was never an offensive mastermind, or hired one. He also has the same cantankerous rep that plagued Cottle. I could totally see Hopkins getting tired of Petro soon. Who would hire him? I agree that he would be lucky to land at a solid D1 mid major, yet alone a mid major like Navy that pays so well. That friendship with Bellichick may very well be Petro's best selling point.

Since we’re speculating on Petro as a candidate for the Navy job (which I don’t see happening), let’s ask, “What have you done for me lately?”

Don’t think there are many Hopkins fans happy with the past decade, but objectively speaking, there are maybe only a half dozen coaches or so who have had more success in the NCAA tournament than Petro in the past ten years. Nine NCAA tournament appearances, four quarterfinals, one Final Four ... who has done better?

Let’s start with those who have won national championships since 2010: Danowski, Toomey, Breschi, Tillman, Tierney, and Shay. Starsia is no longer coaching college lacrosse and he was fired, so he won’t count.

Then there is Corrigan ... let’s say he has done better in the past decade. I think we call Desko a push. Count Tambroni if he wins a national title this season. Count him out if he doesn’t. Anyone else perform better in the NCAA tournament than Petro during 2010-2019?

So, I count maybe 7 or 8 coaches who arguably had a better decade in the NCAA tournament. And at least a couple (Breschi and Shay) would not count were it not for their single national championship.

Even if you are generous to other coaches, there is no question that Petro has been one of the top ten coaches in Division I lacrosse the past decade in terms of NCAA tournament success.

Just a bit of proper perspective when asking “What have you done for me lately?”

Again, I’m among those who are not satisfied with Petro’s past ten years, but there are plenty of colleges who would take his record in a flash. I think Navy would be among those.

DocBarrister

[DMac]

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.

Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).

[seacoaster]

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.

Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).

We are using up valuable PAGE COUNT here on the Navy thread when the JHU thread is plenty elastic enough to absorb this. C'mon guys.

[DocBarrister]

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.

Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).

Oh come on! RM had/has no neck!!! (Sorry, Coach Meade) And a neck is an essential feature of human anatomy, right up there with the prostate (in men)! If RM could coach at Navy without a neck, then Petro could coach at Navy with a few extra “reserve” pounds.

Just sayin’.

DocBarrister

[DMac]

I'm sure he could get by with a few extra, but that's not the case (aint no SA gonna let that slide...it's a bad look for them. Hop too btw.)

[stupefied]

Tillman

[LandM]

For some of us, the tape test worked just fine........

There was a football coach who was hired to be the QB coach his first year and the following season moved to be the OC. Players thought and still think the world of him even with his crazy sayings, still fun at parties to joke about, and even now if he was called, he would bail a player out of trouble. Head coach leaves back to his alma mater and the OC is hired with no experience as a HC just allot of hard-nosed practical experience, mentored, helped move the program in a new direction, and understood the SA environment. Players no matter the side of the ball would do anything for him. That QB, OC, HC guy is in the college Football HOF and did it at a SA. It can be done.

As to those who think I SA cannot compete - FB, BB, baseball I would concur - they can compete just not at the level of a PowerFive week-in and week out but I would still bet on them for one or two games a year in any sport or field. Every kid I watch on Saturday at PSU thinks he is going to play on Sunday. Not the same as eventually you gotta put "that" uniform on Sunday. But lax and a few other sports there is no Sunday but the "uniform". They can compete.

[gymman1031]

Could Tills be the guy?

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.

Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).

We are using up valuable PAGE COUNT here on the Navy thread when the JHU thread is plenty elastic enough to absorb this. C'mon guys.

I had a legitimate question for the Navy folks.

Now, the Cuse fan who likes to fat shame people multiple times a year... yeah, that can go somewhere else. Like the trash can or penalty box. That’s about the fourth or fifth fat shaming post of the year and shouldn’t be tolerated.

[seacoaster]

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.

Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).

We are using up valuable PAGE COUNT here on the Navy thread when the JHU thread is plenty elastic enough to absorb this. C'mon guys.

I had a legitimate question for the Navy folks.

Now, the Cuse fan who likes to fat shame people multiple times a year... yeah, that can go somewhere else. Like the trash can or penalty box. That’s about the fourth or fifth fat shaming post of the year and shouldn’t be tolerated.

Jeez, brother. I was just talking about the Page Count possibilities of taking the "What will Dave do next" posts over to the JHU thread.