Not sure what your point is. Please expound and I’ll let you know.JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:14 pmWretched. That work better?PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:10 pmI see no windmills here.JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:56 pmPizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:26 pmSo, arrest records? Sample size? How were individuals selected for arrest?a fan wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:15 pmHistory. The Pro-Palestinian "from the river to the sea" thing didn't arrive on campus ten minutes ago. Also, arrest records showing non-students.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:03 pmConjecture or is there some factual basis? If factual, what is sample size and mechanism?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 2:30 pm Civil disobedience has an honorable history in the USA.
Vandalism not so honorable, violence not so honorable.
Seems to me that differentiation matters. Just as not all 10,000 on Jan 6 did more than trespass on restricted outdoor grounds, and perhaps chant stupid or hateful things, so too most of these protesters have not done worse as well.
But like many other such events, some do worse. And some much worse. And deserve appropriate repercussions, whether within an educational community, which is a matter of privilege not right, or criminally.
Certainly there would be justification to treat those from outside the college community differently than those within. They are criminally trespassing if don’t leave on request, whereas a college student really isn’t though they may be breaching code of conduct or other rules of campus. Vandalism and violence are criminal, period.
Certainly, attempts to deescalate are preferable as long as that effort is not abused by those seeking to escalate. But trying to do so is important when the ultimate power is so unbalanced. So, at least try, while being clear eyed about who the opposition to such efforts may be.
In this matter, apparently there are not insignificant numbers of agitators and participants who are not students of that campus nor any direct connection.
Clear those out.
Without knowing these and more, there is no basis for conclusory statements.
By the by, I do not condone agitation, but, who gets to define what agitation is versus a shared perspective?
You? Me?
By your logic, were the non-violent civil rights protestors of the ‘60s guilty and subject to beatings, arrest and detention for say, the crime of impeding commerce in the areas of the protest?
Need to be careful where the lines are drawn.
Quixotic.
Joe
Joe
If this is just a “hit-and-run” comment rather than an invitation to discussion, so be it.