coda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 5:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:15 pm
coda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:41 pm
ICGrad wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:36 pm
coda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:09 pm
I also think kicking the kid off is a bit extreme.
Imagine throwing around slurs directed at Native Americans at a lacrosse game, of all things. I'd have kicked him off my team for being such an unbelievable f/ckwit. I mean, seriously?!?
Been to places and had people chant go home Honkies (sp? ). That was from the fans. The field was much worse. I am not condoning it. I just dont want to see a kid's future put in doubt for saying stupid sh!t on the field. Again this is assuming this was a 1 time thing, not a pattern
How long ago was that coda?
Certainly rampant back in my youth, but that was a long time ago.
Football was interesting, but the stuff said to me, spat at me, walking through the basement hallway lined with fans before a wrestling match at a mostly black, urban school was eye-opening...interestingly, got along great with the actual wrestlers. On the other hand, someone who will not be named, former AA wrestler, college President, friend of my dad, told me some 'tricks' to use including one that I rejected, 'when you get him down on his back, ask him whether his mother has any extra days'...I knew better; didn't laugh at what was probably intended just as a joke. We took inbound, but knew it was definitely not ok to throw that out.
And that was a long time ago.
There's plenty of trash talk that happens these days as my son will attest, and no sweat, but a racial slur goes way beyond the pale and really should be intolerable. They know better. Getting caught once in a game means that's something within the player's ready lexicon...despite knowing better.
I have no issues punishing the kid. I offered up a week of 5 am runs. I just think a kid losing his cool and saying something he should not have isn’t worthy of throwing him off the team and perhaps the school. Not everything needs to be handled in the media. This is under my assumptions that these 2 were likely chirping at each other through out the game. If it is a habit, that is another issue. Now you have people thinking the kid is a racist and the coaches are allowing a racist culture. I am not sure it needed to go this level
Yes, it certainly matters whether there is a pattern of behavior. Or definitely not, totally out of character.
Let's step back...none of us know exactly what happened, one slur or repeated slurs, whether there's a pattern of such, or whether there's any sort of looking the other way from coach etc. Nor whether there's real remorse etc. Or vice versa.
so, we're really just talking hypotheticals.
My gut is that when something like that is anywhere near the surface, it's typically not isolated to one event. "chirping" happens all the time, trash talking is frequent, things can get chippy, but none of that need bring that kind of slur out of nowhere. At a very minimum, there's a serious issue that running ball busters doesn't address on their own.
Which doesn't mean that the right answer is off the team, much less out of school, but obviously it alone is a super serious violation that needs to be addressed more deeply than just through punishment, especially if the player is remaining with team, graduating etc. But regardless, teaching and learning opportunity, including that there are repercussions to errors in judgment.
Likewise, I think the concern about coach etc is right to have, though we don't know the facts of what he knew or didn't know, when, what he did or did not do...so, no conclusions...but concern and attention to that question is reasonable.