Military readiness

[cradleandshoot]

I believe at the end of the day survivability trumps fuel efficiency. Have you ever seen a " fuel efficient" M1 Abrams tank? That 1500 HP turbine engine sucks up jet fuel like nobody's business. Fuel efficiency was never a consideration. BTW when the mission calls for it most planes can use drop tanks. I'm waiting for the first supersonic jet fighter to be fitted with electric engines.

You really think the Army doesn't care about fuel efficiency?

Why did they install an APU on the V3? Why are they looking at more fuel efficient options for the AbramsX?

Who gets to deal with the supply chain logistics of transporting millions to billions of gallons of fuel across the world to re-fuel our military?

Logistics is US Army 101. If you think the Army doesn't care about that, then here's your sign.

And all the fuel efficiency in the world won't stop soldiers from being blown all to chit in the name of fuel efficiency. Not that it matters to you all that much. When the first high up muckety muck officer goes public with favoring fuel efficiency over survivability of the dog faces they are putting into harms way please let me know.

Jesus, man, you just don't get it, do you?



Who the F was talking about sacrificing survivability for fuel efficiency? You're good at making stuff up.

Maybe you can talk to all the dead and injured kids who Bush and Rumsfeld send to Iraq without sufficient armor. Not that it matters to you all that much. Fitting for Republicans like you.

You also wouldn't care that our engines are a lot more efficient in all aspects than they were 40 years ago.

I'm not a Republican for the 1000th time ...DA..

[cradleandshoot]

I believe at the end of the day survivability trumps fuel efficiency. Have you ever seen a " fuel efficient" M1 Abrams tank? That 1500 HP turbine engine sucks up jet fuel like nobody's business. Fuel efficiency was never a consideration. BTW when the mission calls for it most planes can use drop tanks. I'm waiting for the first supersonic jet fighter to be fitted with electric engines.

You really think the Army doesn't care about fuel efficiency?

Why did they install an APU on the V3? Why are they looking at more fuel efficient options for the AbramsX?

Who gets to deal with the supply chain logistics of transporting millions to billions of gallons of fuel across the world to re-fuel our military?

Logistics is US Army 101. If you think the Army doesn't care about that, then here's your sign.

Logistic should include more Jerry cans. Fuel efficiency problem solved...

[cradleandshoot]

I believe at the end of the day survivability trumps fuel efficiency. Have you ever seen a " fuel efficient" M1 Abrams tank? That 1500 HP turbine engine sucks up jet fuel like nobody's business. Fuel efficiency was never a consideration. BTW when the mission calls for it most planes can use drop tanks. I'm waiting for the first supersonic jet fighter to be fitted with electric engines.

You really think the Army doesn't care about fuel efficiency?

Why did they install an APU on the V3? Why are they looking at more fuel efficient options for the AbramsX?

Who gets to deal with the supply chain logistics of transporting millions to billions of gallons of fuel across the world to re-fuel our military?

Logistics is US Army 101. If you think the Army doesn't care about that, then here's your sign.

And all the fuel efficiency in the world won't stop soldiers from being blown all to chit in the name of fuel efficiency. Not that it matters to you all that much. When the first high up muckety muck officer goes public with favoring fuel efficiency over survivability of the dog faces they are putting into harms way please let me know.

Jesus, man, you just don't get it, do you?



Who the F was talking about sacrificing survivability for fuel efficiency? You're good at making stuff up.

Maybe you can talk to all the dead and injured kids who Bush and Rumsfeld send to Iraq without sufficient armor. Not that it matters to you all that much. Fitting for Republicans like you.

You also wouldn't care that our engines are a lot more efficient in all aspects than they were 40 years ago.

What did those GIs do in Iraq when their HumVees were being blown to chit? They improvised and welded steel plates on vulnerable areas of the vehicle. Which therefore made the vehicle much heavier but made a modest increase in SURVIVABILITY. So what concerns you most? Survivability or MPG? I bet if you asked any dog face what they prefer you'll get the same answer. They all arrived there with all of their body parts intact and they would like to go home the same way.

[cradleandshoot]

Perhaps this article will influence some people's opinion regarding the importance of improved fuel use and efficiency in the military:

"The True Currency of Fuel in the Military Is Lives"

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... y-is-lives

Burning through JP 4 when your using your afterburners isn't in the same category of keeping go juice in a deuce and a half.

[youthathletics]

I prefer the deuce and a quarter….bigger back seat.

[SCLaxAttack]

Perhaps this article will influence some people's opinion regarding the importance of improved fuel use and efficiency in the military:

"The True Currency of Fuel in the Military Is Lives"

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... y-is-lives

Burning through JP 4 when your using your afterburners isn't in the same category of keeping go juice in a deuce and a half.

Jeesus H, cradle, don’t stop at the photo of the air tanker refueling the jet, read the frickin article.

You can’t be so thick that you can’t grasp that if you can carry a few hundred gallons less fuel on a vehicle (whether that’s in its gas tank or strapped on in Jerry cans) you can use that weight reduction for more warfighter protection or munitions, are you?

And that if you can move your army on X% fewer supply trucks because your vehicles are that X% more fuel efficient that you put fewer transport vehicles - and the soldiers that drive and protect those convoys - in harm’s way. Right?

Please tell me you grasp these concepts. Not that it matters. Fortunately our military planners do.

[cradleandshoot]

Perhaps this article will influence some people's opinion regarding the importance of improved fuel use and efficiency in the military:

"The True Currency of Fuel in the Military Is Lives"

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... y-is-lives

Burning through JP 4 when your using your afterburners isn't in the same category of keeping go juice in a deuce and a half.

Jeesus H, cradle, don’t stop at the photo of the air tanker refueling the jet, read the frickin article.

You can’t be so thick that you can’t grasp that if you can carry a few hundred gallons less fuel on a vehicle (whether that’s in its gas tank or strapped on in Jerry cans) you can use that weight reduction for more warfighter protection or munitions, are you?

And that if you can move your army on X% fewer supply trucks because your vehicles are that X% more fuel efficient that you put fewer transport vehicles - and the soldiers that drive and protect those convoys - in harm’s way. Right?

Please tell me you grasp these concepts. Not that it matters. Fortunately our military planners do.

What I grasp is the top priority SHOULD be providing APCs that can provide protection for the dogfaces that ride them into combat. Your just as thick in your inability to grasp that concept. I don't give a f**k about fuel efficiency. I'm more concerned about flag drapped coffins arriving at Dover because some pin headed dumbasses are more concerned about fuel efficiency than saving the lives of the men and women this country puts into harms. As long as the military has a plentiful supply of Jerry cans and the ability to establish fuel depots fuel efficiency is a non sequitur. Do you think this new generation of APCs should concentrate on survivability or MPGs? Your never going to get both my friend. Saving lives is more important than MPG. I'm sure there are a lot of wonks in the US Army that are more concerned about MPGs than keeping infantry soldiers safe. I'll bet not a damn one of them has ever been the CO of an armored cavalry regiment. FTR my unit employed the most fuel efficient form of transportation in the US Army. We called em LPCs. A lot of my LPC rubber was left on Long Street Rd going from division to Normandy DZ and all over Ft Bragg for that matter.

[OCanada]

One valid complaint about the officer corps in Nam was the desire some officers had to advance their careers regardless of human cost to their outfits.

[cradleandshoot]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/milit ... 570c&ei=28

So this is now a court martial offense. This should do wonders for getting soldiers to re up. I never would have thought that political correctness could destroy our military. Most division commanders fight tooth and nail to keep their soldiers ready to fight. Now to potentially court marshall a soldier for some petty ass chit such as this. George Patton must be spinning in his grave.

[OCanada]

It won’t.

It is getting harder to reach recruitment. One reason, among others is tribalism

[OCanada]

It won’t.

It is getting harder to reach recruitment. One reason, among others is tribalism

[youthathletics]

Neat...a B2 submersible, that trims along the shallows of the water. I suppose since they are just now releasing it, its been out for close to a decade, lurking in the shadows and driving people crazy for seeing something that was denied.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... a-ray-uuv/

https://www.navytimes.com/unmanned/2024 ... sea-tests/

[PizzaSnake]

Neat...a B2 submersible, that trims along the shallows of the water. I suppose since they are just now releasing it, its been out for close to a decade, lurking in the shadows and driving people crazy for seeing something that was denied.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... a-ray-uuv/

https://www.navytimes.com/unmanned/2024 ... sea-tests/

Looks like an expensive version of a cocaine "sub."

[old salt]

Interesting article which highlights the challenges in intercepting & shooting down slow flying suicide drones with high speed jet aircraft.

https://www.twz.com/air/marine-corps-av ... nes-report

[cradleandshoot]

Neat...a B2 submersible, that trims along the shallows of the water. I suppose since they are just now releasing it, its been out for close to a decade, lurking in the shadows and driving people crazy for seeing something that was denied.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... a-ray-uuv/

https://www.navytimes.com/unmanned/2024 ... sea-tests/

Looks like a ginormous manta ray.

[cradleandshoot]

I have a question. I don't understand the US policy towards Taiwan. Why is it we can send Taiwan the most sophisticated military technology in our inventory, yet if the US Navy and Taiwan Navy train together the ChiComs having an aneurysm about it?

[youthathletics]

I have a question. I don't understand the US policy towards Taiwan. Why is it we can send Taiwan the most sophisticated military technology in our inventory, yet if the US Navy and Taiwan Navy train together the ChiComs having an aneurysm about it?

Jealousy? Triangles in a relationship typically carry a negative impact....it's almost like China is giving us a sign, that they certainly respect us and our military enough to be pissed we are making their decision to invade Taiwan that much more challenging.

[cradleandshoot]

I have a question. I don't understand the US policy towards Taiwan. Why is it we can send Taiwan the most sophisticated military technology in our inventory, yet if the US Navy and Taiwan Navy train together the ChiComs having an aneurysm about it?

Jealousy? Triangles in a relationship typically carry a negative impact....it's almost like China is giving us a sign, that they certainly respect us and our military enough to be pissed we are making their decision to invade Taiwan that much more challenging.

Not if but when China will invade Taiwan. The ChiComs are merely waiting for the right time and the right administration in the US. I'm sure the ChiComs are not worried about the barrage of new sanctions and the scorn of the rest of the world. Why college students at elite universities will have to protest all over again about mans inhumanity to man. Then they will realize they are communist sympathetic useful idiots and who knows, maybe they will go to a place that is foreign to them...called a classroom. These young skulls full of mush certainly need the education they are spending mommy and daddys money on.

[old salt]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... urns-home/

The Century’s Most Battle-Tested Warship Returns Home

Families wait pierside as the U.S. Navy Arleigh-Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Carney (DDG-64) returns home to Naval Station Mayport , Fla., following a seven month deployment, May 19, 2024.

by LUTHER RAY ABEL, May 20, 2024

The USS Carney, after eight months at sea, taking on all comers in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, has finally returned to its home port in Mayport, Fla. The Carney took part in 54 events that necessitated offensive and defensive firing, protecting friendly nations, international shipping, and itself as it patrolled international waters.

Geoff Ziezulewicz summarizes the Carney‘s feats for the Navy Times:

Twelve days after Hamas’ attack, on Oct. 19, Carney got its first chance to take it to the Houthis, when the destroyer intercepted a salvo of missiles and drones fired from Houthi territory in Yemen.

Since then, the Houthis have at times fired at military and commercial vessels in the Red Sea at a near-daily clip earlier this year, and Carney was often at the forefront of the fight.

The ship also helped take down missiles fired by Iran at Israel last month.

Carney’s crew conducted 51 engagements against the Houthis over six months, the first time the Navy has directly engaged an enemy to such a degree since World War II, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti said in a statement.

I urge you to give the homecoming photos at Stars and Stripes a review — happy wives, babies, and families abound. Beautiful.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2 ... 07826.html

These sailors and their officers operated in waters that demanded the utmost from men and machinery for months and triumphed time and again. Jerry Hendrix and I, in a panel for the National Review Institute *, did our best to explain just how challenging the Carney‘s work was. Imagine working, eating, and sleeping in a rocking steel sauna filled with pipes and shin-destroying doorways while occasionally hearing an alarm of missiles inbound. Then do that for the best part of a year.

The secretary of the Navy, Carlos Del Toro, said the Carney saw the most combat of any ship since WWII. This is true, though it diminishes the accomplishments of the earlier ships and the Carney when one considers what WWII-era vessels or those of the Revolutionary period experienced (i.e., it’s best to say that Babe Ruth and Ken Griffey Jr. are both greats in their respective times).

What is certain is that the USS Carney is the greatest warship of its generation. It is a glad day to be able to celebrate the crew’s accomplishments with them safely on U.S. soil.

* good description of the working & living conditions for the crew of a ship on the firing line. Also, useful discussion of current recruiting difficulties, size of the fleet, & ship material conditions.

[a fan]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... urns-home/

The Century’s Most Battle-Tested Warship Returns Home

Families wait pierside as the U.S. Navy Arleigh-Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS Carney (DDG-64) returns home to Naval Station Mayport , Fla., following a seven month deployment, May 19, 2024.

by LUTHER RAY ABEL, May 20, 2024

The USS Carney, after eight months at sea, taking on all comers in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, has finally returned to its home port in Mayport, Fla. The Carney took part in 54 events that necessitated offensive and defensive firing, protecting friendly nations, international shipping, and itself as it patrolled international waters.

Geoff Ziezulewicz summarizes the Carney‘s feats for the Navy Times:

Twelve days after Hamas’ attack, on Oct. 19, Carney got its first chance to take it to the Houthis, when the destroyer intercepted a salvo of missiles and drones fired from Houthi territory in Yemen.

Since then, the Houthis have at times fired at military and commercial vessels in the Red Sea at a near-daily clip earlier this year, and Carney was often at the forefront of the fight.

The ship also helped take down missiles fired by Iran at Israel last month.

Carney’s crew conducted 51 engagements against the Houthis over six months, the first time the Navy has directly engaged an enemy to such a degree since World War II, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti said in a statement.

I urge you to give the homecoming photos at Stars and Stripes a review — happy wives, babies, and families abound. Beautiful.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2 ... 07826.html

These sailors and their officers operated in waters that demanded the utmost from men and machinery for months and triumphed time and again. Jerry Hendrix and I, in a panel for the National Review Institute *, did our best to explain just how challenging the Carney‘s work was. Imagine working, eating, and sleeping in a rocking steel sauna filled with pipes and shin-destroying doorways while occasionally hearing an alarm of missiles inbound. Then do that for the best part of a year.

The secretary of the Navy, Carlos Del Toro, said the Carney saw the most combat of any ship since WWII. This is true, though it diminishes the accomplishments of the earlier ships and the Carney when one considers what WWII-era vessels or those of the Revolutionary period experienced (i.e., it’s best to say that Babe Ruth and Ken Griffey Jr. are both greats in their respective times).

What is certain is that the USS Carney is the greatest warship of its generation. It is a glad day to be able to celebrate the crew’s accomplishments with them safely on U.S. soil.

* good description of the working & living conditions for the crew of a ship on the firing line. Also, useful discussion of current recruiting difficulties, size of the fleet, & ship material conditions.

Cant imagine the feeling of sitting on a ship near Yemen, knowing that idiots are lobbing missiles at you for fun. How you chaps can sleep on those things while that stuff is happening is beyond me. I was grateful to hear we hit Houthi installations, and didn’t just let them attack ships without repercussions.