Tewaaraton Award 2024

[laxfan1313]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

CJ will be back at Cornell next year so if he doesn't win it this year, he'll be a favorite next year.

[another fan]

I agree that Brandau is having a great year and is the favorite for the Tewaarton.

As to Kirst, I'm not sure this is much of a factor in Tewaarton consideration, but those who have seen him regularly know that he is a very complete player. In addition to attributes that have already been mentioned he is great riding-- 14 caused turnovers in 11 games are numbers more usually seen with poles. He's also great coming up with contested ground balls.

[keno in reno]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

[molo]

I thought so, too, at the beginning of the season. I’m not sure I agree now.

[Gobigred]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

[coda]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

I think the Ivy plays a different game. It is much more offensive. They have 4 players in the top 10 in the country in pts per game. There are only 2 players in the country averaging over 6 pts a game, both are in the Ivy (King and Brandau). By comparison the Big 10 and ACC have 1 each in the top 10 (Malone and Spallina).

[keno in reno]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

You can be as hyperbolic as you want, but Notre Dame is better than every Ivy. So is UVA. So is Duke; they have a long history of losing to worse teams early in the season. Now that Syracuse is much improved, they make the ACC that much better than Ivy teams.

Cornell can beat anyone in the tournament for sure. But they would be multi-goal underdogs against the top 3 ACC's. Not sure about Yale (I haven't seen them). None of the other Ivies would have a chance against the top 3 ACC teams when it matters.

[mdk01]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

You can be as hyperbolic as you want, but Notre Dame is better than every Ivy. So is UVA. So is Duke; they have a long history of losing to worse teams early in the season. Now that Syracuse is much improved, they make the ACC that much better than Ivy teams.

Cornell can beat anyone in the tournament for sure. But they would be multi-goal underdogs against the top 3 ACC's. Not sure about Yale (I haven't seen them). None of the other Ivies would have a chance against the top 3 ACC teams when it matters.

How many games had 'Cuse played when they met Cornell? Not exactly early in the season.

[10stone5]

The goal posts have changed.
Now its, no chance against the top three ACCs.

I’m personally taking the time, time permitting, to catch as much of Brandau as possible before he’s gone.

He’s having a Lyle Thompson, Grant Ament type of season.

[keno in reno]

The goal posts have changed.
Now its, no chance against the top three ACCs.

I’m personally taking the time, time permitting, to catch as much of Brandau as possible before he’s gone.

He’s having a Lyle Thompson, Grant Ament type of season.

Sorry, what are the original goalposts?

[faircornell]

The goal posts have changed.
Now its, no chance against the top three ACCs.

I’m personally taking the time, time permitting, to catch as much of Brandau as possible before he’s gone.

He’s having a Lyle Thompson, Grant Ament type of season.

Sorry, what are the original goalposts?

I'm not advocating any particular Tewaaraton winner, but to your point:

1) Lyle's Thompson's most productive season: 7.11 points/game
2) Matt Brandau's current season: 7.17 points/game

[Gobigred]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

You can be as hyperbolic as you want, but Notre Dame is better than every Ivy. So is UVA. So is Duke; they have a long history of losing to worse teams early in the season. Now that Syracuse is much improved, they make the ACC that much better than Ivy teams.

Cornell can beat anyone in the tournament for sure. But they would be multi-goal underdogs against the top 3 ACC's. Not sure about Yale (I haven't seen them). None of the other Ivies would have a chance against the top 3 ACC teams when it matters.

And your support for these "hyperbolic" assertions is what? I see nothing.

[Finster]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

You can be as hyperbolic as you want, but Notre Dame is better than every Ivy. So is UVA. So is Duke; they have a long history of losing to worse teams early in the season. Now that Syracuse is much improved, they make the ACC that much better than Ivy teams.

Cornell can beat anyone in the tournament for sure. But they would be multi-goal underdogs against the top 3 ACC's. Not sure about Yale (I haven't seen them). None of the other Ivies would have a chance against the top 3 ACC teams when it matters.

And your support for these "hyperbolic" assertions is what? I see nothing.

To be fair, I agree with Keno: UNC is better than Columbia.

[bjred]

2024 Men's 25 Nominees

Matt Brandau, Yale – Sr., Attack
Kenny Brower, Duke – Grad. Student, Defense
Graham Bundy Jr., Georgetown – Grad. Student, Midfield
Emmet Carroll, Penn – Sr., Goalie
Will Coletti, Army West Point – Jr., Face-Off
Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Goalie
Jack Fracyon, Penn State – Jr., Goalie
Chayse Ierlan, Johns Hopkins – Grad. Student, Goalie
Cole Kastner, Virginia – Sr., Defense
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Attack
Sam King, Harvard – Jr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell – Sr., Attack
Shane Knobloch, Rutgers – Sr., Midfield
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton – Jr., Attack
TJ Malone, Penn State – Grad. Student, Attack
Will Mark, Syracuse – Grad. Student, Goalie
Brennan O’Neill, Duke – Sr., Attack
Jake Piseno, Albany – Grad. Student, Defense
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia – Grad. Student, Attack
Joey Spallina, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Alec Stathakis, Denver – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Luke Wierman, Maryland – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Dalton Young, Richmond – Grad. Student, Attack
Ajax Zappitello, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Josh Zawada, Duke – Grad. Student, Attack

[Gobigred]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

You can be as hyperbolic as you want, but Notre Dame is better than every Ivy. So is UVA. So is Duke; they have a long history of losing to worse teams early in the season. Now that Syracuse is much improved, they make the ACC that much better than Ivy teams.

Cornell can beat anyone in the tournament for sure. But they would be multi-goal underdogs against the top 3 ACC's. Not sure about Yale (I haven't seen them). None of the other Ivies would have a chance against the top 3 ACC teams when it matters.

And your support for these "hyperbolic" assertions is what? I see nothing.

To be fair, I agree with Keno: UNC is better than Columbia.

Columbia better than Wake Forest? Where's the rest of the vaunted ACC? Two-thirds of the league afraid to compete?

[coda]

The goal posts have changed.
Now its, no chance against the top three ACCs.

I’m personally taking the time, time permitting, to catch as much of Brandau as possible before he’s gone.

He’s having a Lyle Thompson, Grant Ament type of season.

I just look at the schedules of the top players.
Brandau has had far and away the easiest schedule. He has played 3 good defenses (PSU, Denver, and Penn)
Kirst and Shelly have had a much tougher road. Kind of crazy, given the goals Cornell is putting up, but they have played a killer schedule on the defensive side of the ball (DEnver, OSU, PSU, Penn, Cuse, and ND)..Kirst's biggest issue is Long is having a very similar year

[CU88a]

2024 Men's 25 Nominees

Matt Brandau, Yale – Sr., Attack
Kenny Brower, Duke – Grad. Student, Defense
Graham Bundy Jr., Georgetown – Grad. Student, Midfield
Emmet Carroll, Penn – Sr., Goalie
Will Coletti, Army West Point – Jr., Face-Off
Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Goalie
Jack Fracyon, Penn State – Jr., Goalie
Chayse Ierlan, Johns Hopkins – Grad. Student, Goalie
Cole Kastner, Virginia – Sr., Defense
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Attack
Sam King, Harvard – Jr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell – Sr., Attack
Shane Knobloch, Rutgers – Sr., Midfield
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton – Jr., Attack
TJ Malone, Penn State – Grad. Student, Attack
Will Mark, Syracuse – Grad. Student, Goalie
Brennan O’Neill, Duke – Sr., Attack
Jake Piseno, Albany – Grad. Student, Defense
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia – Grad. Student, Attack
Joey Spallina, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Alec Stathakis, Denver – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Luke Wierman, Maryland – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Dalton Young, Richmond – Grad. Student, Attack
Ajax Zappitello, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Josh Zawada, Duke – Grad. Student, Attack

Crazy 13 of 25 are graduate "students"!
ACC w/ 6 and B10 w/ 3

[coda]

2024 Men's 25 Nominees

Matt Brandau, Yale – Sr., Attack
Kenny Brower, Duke – Grad. Student, Defense
Graham Bundy Jr., Georgetown – Grad. Student, Midfield
Emmet Carroll, Penn – Sr., Goalie
Will Coletti, Army West Point – Jr., Face-Off
Liam Entenmann, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Goalie
Jack Fracyon, Penn State – Jr., Goalie
Chayse Ierlan, Johns Hopkins – Grad. Student, Goalie
Cole Kastner, Virginia – Sr., Defense
Pat Kavanagh, Notre Dame – Grad. Student, Attack
Sam King, Harvard – Jr., Attack
CJ Kirst, Cornell – Sr., Attack
Shane Knobloch, Rutgers – Sr., Midfield
Coulter Mackesy, Princeton – Jr., Attack
TJ Malone, Penn State – Grad. Student, Attack
Will Mark, Syracuse – Grad. Student, Goalie
Brennan O’Neill, Duke – Sr., Attack
Jake Piseno, Albany – Grad. Student, Defense
Connor Shellenberger, Virginia – Grad. Student, Attack
Joey Spallina, Syracuse – Soph., Attack
Alec Stathakis, Denver – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Luke Wierman, Maryland – Grad. Student, Face-Off
Dalton Young, Richmond – Grad. Student, Attack
Ajax Zappitello, Maryland – Sr., Defense
Josh Zawada, Duke – Grad. Student, Attack

Crazy 13 of 25 are graduate "students"!
ACC w/ 6 and B10 w/ 3

The list is rough. I dont see how you have Entenmann and Mark on there and no Gianforcaro. Not sure how Wierman in on there and no Wietfeldt, who has been better and dominated the head to head.

[Farfromgeneva]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

Yes, Ivy teams are a wretched 3-4 this season against both ACC and B1G teams, clearly "not on par." #1 Notre Dame's 18-17 recent rout of Cornell and Maryland's 14-13 overtime thrashing of Ivy 5th-place Brown abundantly illustrate your point.

Haven’t you argued MOV doesn’t matter previously? If incorrect no worries but I think I’ve observed that before. Is your position that MOV does matter?

[Farfromgeneva]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.

Brandau may be the the best player in the country (haven't seen him this season so I don't know), but the Ivy League is certainly not on par with the ACC. The B1G is a bit down this year, but it's still better than the Ivy.

I think the Ivy plays a different game. It is much more offensive. They have 4 players in the top 10 in the country in pts per game. There are only 2 players in the country averaging over 6 pts a game, both are in the Ivy (King and Brandau). By comparison the Big 10 and ACC have 1 each in the top 10 (Malone and Spallina).

Problem is the bottom 1-2 are typically well below the bottom of their conferences. Could be smoothed out with OOC but there’s a difference there between Dart/UMich/rutgers/UNC. Brown losing to many odd duck schools this year and then beating pton has me more questioning the middle of the Ivy than declaring it strong this year/