2024 top 20

[coda]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

I think that is a reasonable thought. They have a legit defense, you can say elite. When they get solid offensive play they are very dangerous. I have them #21 in my model with the #6 defense (36 on offense, which isnt good)

[Finster]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Looks good, JoeWillie.

I do think you’re punishing the home team of Cornell too much. I suppose if you didn’t, people here would complain But the Red did push #1 to the last five seconds. That felt like a win not a loss.

Also, not sure I’m rewarding my team for beating UNC by 1. That felt like a loss not a win.

These teams don’t make it easy on you.

[coda]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

I am not going to complain about it, but I will warn fans and teams that people are sleeping on Richmond. You do not want to draw them in the tournament.

[LaxAllStars]

Top 20 Quint April 15

https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenich ... 15th-2024/

12 teams “receiving votes” in the media poll

[44WeWantMore]

My top 20 April 14, 2024:

1. Notre Dame
2. Denver
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Penn State
7. Virginia
8. Syracuse
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. Georgetown
12. Penn
13. Army
14. St Joseph
15. Princeton
16. Delaware
17. Towson
18. Richmond
19. Boston University
20. Harvard

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Joewillie78

Looks good, JoeWillie.

I do think you’re punishing the home team of Cornell too much. I suppose if you didn’t, people here would complain But the Red did push #1 to the last five seconds. That felt like a win not a loss.

Also, not sure I’m rewarding my team for beating UNC by 1. That felt like a loss not a win.

These teams don’t make it easy on you.

The Jays dropped in the Power Rankings as well, because their margin of victory was less than the model forecast. This kind of approach addresses the critics who say the Jays and OSU are essentially equal (or at least were on a given Sunday) rather than trying to end the relative ranking discussion at a "win is a win". So, yes, a thriller loss to ND should boost Cornell's relative ranking when the ND was originally ranked far ahead.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

[laxfan1313]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

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Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

[laxfan1313]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

obviously you don't understand the concept of snapshot. Enough said.

[Gobigred]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

Hop #3, Cornell #5 in strength of schedule. Do your research.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

Hop #3, Cornell #5 in strength of schedule. Do your research.

Ah yes, 3 and 5 are the same.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

obviously you don't understand the concept of snapshot. Enough said.

Yes, obviously I don't understand the concept of a snapshot that includes prior performance. Yes, not at all.

i was a big red fan but perhaps it's time to move on.

[BigTurn]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

obviously you don't understand the concept of snapshot. Enough said.

Yes, obviously I don't understand the concept of a snapshot that includes prior performance. Yes, not at all.

i was a big red fan but perhaps it's time to move on.

I’m sure the team / fans are just devastated at the thought of losing your support. It’s a weekly poll. Losing to ND in the final seconds is far more impressive than scraping an OT win out against a 6-7 non tournament team.

[norcalhop]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

obviously you don't understand the concept of snapshot. Enough said.

Yes, obviously I don't understand the concept of a snapshot that includes prior performance. Yes, not at all.

i was a big red fan but perhaps it's time to move on.

I’m sure the team / fans are just devastated at the thought of losing your support. It’s a weekly poll. Losing to ND in the final seconds is far more impressive than scraping an OT win out against a 6-7 non tournament team.

The same team that just lost to Maryland by 1 and lost to ND by 3? Yea, they sure look like a traditional 6-7 team.

[BigTurn]

My Top 20, April 7, 2024

1. Virginia
2. Notre Dame
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Georgetown
5. Denver
6. Cornell
7. Maryland
8. Yale
9. Penn State
10. Syracuse
11. Duke
12. Princeton
13. Penn
14. Boston University
15. Colgate
16. Army
17. St. Joseph
18. Rutgers
19. Delaware
20. Richmond
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Joewillie78

Realistic, but you know the media will put ND at #1

I have had Virginia #1 consistently and the media have had ND #1 consistently, and neither of us are going to change until 1 or both get beat.

I really should have ranked ND #1 as more incentive for Cornell to beat the #1 team in the country next Sunday, but the media will take care of that this morning in their next poll.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

JHU barely squeaked by OSU tonight in OT. I think you have them too high.

You're responding to a ranking from last week. More over, UMD barely beat OSU away as well. Is Maryland too high this week?

I inadvertently quoted the previous poll but my point remains the same. JW's current poll has JHU ranked #3 and OSU unranked. Yet JHU barely squeaked by OSU in OT last night. JHU is ranked way too high. Perhaps OSU should be in the top 20.

Cornell got destroyed by Penn State who JHU also just beat. Is Cornell too high? By your logic perhaps, but not to me. Wins and losses are what matter given the gauntlet JHU has played not necessarily margin. You didn't respond to my Maryland comment.

The Penn State game is old news. A poll is a current snapshot. Currently, Cornell came within a goal of defeating #1 ND. Last night, JHU barely squeaked by unranked OSU in OT. JHU is ranked too high and Cornell is ranked too low.

Cornell is exactly where it belongs. Try playing the same strength of schedule, and I'll give you more leeway for lackluster performances. You don't get credit for almost wins. By that virtue, Hopkins should be #2 as all of its losses came by 1.

obviously you don't understand the concept of snapshot. Enough said.

Yes, obviously I don't understand the concept of a snapshot that includes prior performance. Yes, not at all.

i was a big red fan but perhaps it's time to move on.

I’m sure the team / fans are just devastated at the thought of losing your support. It’s a weekly poll. Losing to ND in the final seconds is far more impressive than scraping an OT win out against a 6-7 non tournament team.

The same team that just lost to Maryland by 1 and lost to ND by 3? Yea, they sure look like a traditional 6-7 team.

You are what your record says you are

[HopFan16]

You are what your record says you are

Cool, you just made it easy. 9-3 > 7-4

[BigTurn]

You are what your record says you are

Cool, you just made it easy. 9-3 > 7-4

You’re right. Nice ot win over 6-7 Ohio. Impressive stuff.

[norcalhop]

You are what your record says you are

Cool, you just made it easy. 9-3 > 7-4

I don't think they are arguing Cornell should be higher than Hopkins. Even though they might have insinuated 3 = 5.

[norcalhop]

You are what your record says you are

Cool, you just made it easy. 9-3 > 7-4

You’re right. Nice ot win over 6-7 Ohio. Impressive stuff.

Almost as impressive as losing 9-20 to PSU.

[faircornell]

FWIW: Quint, USILA, IL Media, US Lacrosse Mag, and Joe Willie (not necessarily in that order of priority) all have Hop at #3 this week.