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I wonder how many folks said the same thing about getting rid of Starsia at UVA. They seem to be bouncing back rather quickly under Tiffany.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am No, thats not what I am saying at all. If it is determined that it is time to move on, so be it. What I am saying is Hopkins, despite what the fanbase thinks, has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years. To think that changing coaches will yield better results than you've had is difficult to imagine.
Take it from my personal family experience DMac....the more crotchety one is the longer they live.DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:24 pmSeven is mighty young for a cat to die, take note Hop fans. All your miserableness isn't good for your health...and whatever you do, don't listen to the voice of reason that QuakerSouth and notentitled bring.seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:42 amGrumpy Cat obituary. Now that is some serious page count padding. At this point, the question is: will it require Regime Change to get us to 200 pages, or can we get it done without the bloodletting. DMac, when you're out of the Penalty Box, jump in here!!44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:20 amGrumpy Cat Dies at 7 Years OldDougELax wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:29 amSo Maryland shouldn't have moved on from Cottle? Virginia from Starsia? Navy from Meade (oh wait)? While the message might not get as stale as long-term professional coaches since the kids rotate thru every four years, still a group on this board think that the coaches seem to be on auto-pilot. There have been years of questioning the use (or lack thereof) of bench strength, the construction of the roster (lack of mid-field depth for example) and the development of players over their four years.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 7:17 pm I think you might find that replacing Petro isn't going to yield better results than you've had over the last 10 years. Hopkins has made the tourney how many years in the last 10? How may Quarters? A Final? If you think you "deserve" more, well......
Someone said on here they want Hopkins to be competitive---like either final 8 or final 4 every year. That is unrealistic. UMD doing what they are doing is amazing. Being competitive and being amazing are not the same thing. This isn't 50 yrs ago, 40 yrs ago, even 30 yrs ago. To think a team can get back to those types of winning seasons is fantasy.
Lots of good points here about Hopkins ability to still recruit good players. Thats true. You'll get your share of good guys. But no more than your fair share.
Petro is not perfect; nobody is. But if you think getting rid of him will all of a sudden change your fortunes, I think you could be in for a rude awakening. Be careful what you wish for.
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Exactly. You can be afraid the results are going to get worse because, and this is the more likely outcome, it gets better. It is the same trap that Petro falls into on player personnel. If I put in X or Y and they do worse, that makes the situation worse. But, as we saw with Zinn and others it got better. How mu h better would have Zinn or Gianclone be if they had seen more time earlier in the year and for Gianclone any time.viper wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 amI wonder how many folks said the same thing about getting rid of Starsia at UVA. They seem to be bouncing back rather quickly under Tiffany.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am No, thats not what I am saying at all. If it is determined that it is time to move on, so be it. What I am saying is Hopkins, despite what the fanbase thinks, has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years. To think that changing coaches will yield better results than you've had is difficult to imagine.
I think that's right, as to 'absurd' to argue that one or another team would have won if one, two, three, four, whatever number of calls had been made 'correctly'. Calls get made all the time that are subjective in nature. Refs simply miss some, sometimes they see the action differently, sometimes they are flat wrong. But mostly it's subjective, though often a slow mo review would reveal the call was incorrect. Was that a push or a trip? Was it a high hit or clean? releasable or unreleasable? Who was actually closer to the shot ball went it went out? Change of possessions, penalties, all can impact the outcome. And there are many such in any given contest.51percentcorn wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:04 am It's absurd to argue that the bad calls evened themselves out or that Maryland would have won had the Kraus goal had been ruled correctly to have hit the post. I am not a huge proponent of instant replay to fix everything - but goals in lacrosse appear to me to be one that is easily subject to review and the technology is there - especially in the tournament. You will never solve the dive towards/away from the goalmouth or being pushed issue - even while watching super slo mo I can't figure out what the right call is - there's so much judgement and people can see different things. I happen to come across a few minutes of MD/Denver women's quarterfinal. There was a play where a Lady Terp appeared to pick a loose ball out of the crease - without making contact with the Goalie - and bounce it home. Apparently - that's a no no in women's lacrosse. Dixon and Stanwick Burch were looking at the same plays in slo mo and they couldn't agree on anything.
Saw this too, very interesting particularly when when relating it to an eye witness in the court room.51percentcorn wrote
There was a play where a Lady Terp appeared to pick a loose ball out of the crease - without making contact with the Goalie - and bounce it home. Apparently - that's a no no in women's lacrosse. Dixon and Stanwick Burch were looking at the same plays in slo mo and they couldn't agree on anything.
Might be good advice from a career counselor.WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:25 pm You know how many attempts at poaching recruits will be made with that strategy?
I’ve said it before. If I were Coach, I would at least inquire about the Navy opening. Bring Belichick back to Annapolis.
I agree with your poaching point, but given that 2 of 3 Hopkins 2019 5-star recruits have already been poached (Shellenberger by UVa and Finlay by Princeton) other programs are already eating our lunchWOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 12:25 pm You know how many attempts at poaching recruits will be made with that strategy?
I’ve said it before. If I were Coach, I would at least inquire about the Navy opening. Bring Belichick back to Annapolis.
Or the longer I live, the more crotchety I get?viper wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:53 amTake it from my personal family experience DMac....the more crotchety one is the longer they live.DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 1:24 pmSeven is mighty young for a cat to die, take note Hop fans. All your miserableness isn't good for your health...and whatever you do, don't listen to the voice of reason that QuakerSouth and notentitled bring.seacoaster wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:42 amGrumpy Cat obituary. Now that is some serious page count padding. At this point, the question is: will it require Regime Change to get us to 200 pages, or can we get it done without the bloodletting. DMac, when you're out of the Penalty Box, jump in here!!44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:20 amGrumpy Cat Dies at 7 Years OldDougELax wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:29 amSo Maryland shouldn't have moved on from Cottle? Virginia from Starsia? Navy from Meade (oh wait)? While the message might not get as stale as long-term professional coaches since the kids rotate thru every four years, still a group on this board think that the coaches seem to be on auto-pilot. There have been years of questioning the use (or lack thereof) of bench strength, the construction of the roster (lack of mid-field depth for example) and the development of players over their four years.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 7:17 pm I think you might find that replacing Petro isn't going to yield better results than you've had over the last 10 years. Hopkins has made the tourney how many years in the last 10? How may Quarters? A Final? If you think you "deserve" more, well......
Someone said on here they want Hopkins to be competitive---like either final 8 or final 4 every year. That is unrealistic. UMD doing what they are doing is amazing. Being competitive and being amazing are not the same thing. This isn't 50 yrs ago, 40 yrs ago, even 30 yrs ago. To think a team can get back to those types of winning seasons is fantasy.
Lots of good points here about Hopkins ability to still recruit good players. Thats true. You'll get your share of good guys. But no more than your fair share.
Petro is not perfect; nobody is. But if you think getting rid of him will all of a sudden change your fortunes, I think you could be in for a rude awakening. Be careful what you wish for.
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None. Totally different situation, to put it mildly.viper wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 amI wonder how many folks said the same thing about getting rid of Starsia at UVA.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am No, thats not what I am saying at all. If it is determined that it is time to move on, so be it. What I am saying is Hopkins, despite what the fanbase thinks, has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years. To think that changing coaches will yield better results than you've had is difficult to imagine.
Let’s not talk about UVa and its history and problems and facts.a fan wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 2:47 pmNone. Totally different situation, to put it mildly.viper wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 amI wonder how many folks said the same thing about getting rid of Starsia at UVA.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am No, thats not what I am saying at all. If it is determined that it is time to move on, so be it. What I am saying is Hopkins, despite what the fanbase thinks, has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years. To think that changing coaches will yield better results than you've had is difficult to imagine.
Which I think raises another point about how Petro has handled this program. Other than a few minor disciplinary issues and a few academic issues, Petro has run a “clean” program with no major scandals. He handled a deeply saddening tragedy with grace. I think he has run a program that has produced leaders in multiple fields and one that has as its enduring motto, “Family”. That’s an underappreciated aspect of his performance as a head coach.a fan wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 2:47 pmNone. Totally different situation, to put it mildly.viper wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 amI wonder how many folks said the same thing about getting rid of Starsia at UVA.QuakerSouth wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:16 am No, thats not what I am saying at all. If it is determined that it is time to move on, so be it. What I am saying is Hopkins, despite what the fanbase thinks, has had a pretty good run over the last 10 years. To think that changing coaches will yield better results than you've had is difficult to imagine.