Navy 2022

[Tecumseh]

I saw RW Wednesday on Long Island. He was wearing his Navy colors proudly. I did not get a chance to chat with him but did make note of him talking with some of the Chaminade and St. Anthony's parents and faculty. Could he have been meeting with SBU earlier in the day? BTW, both the Chaminade and St. Ant's Navy commits looked good in that game. For those wondering.

Good to hear .... Love the St. Anthony and Chaminade players ! Hard nosed and well coached in HS.

I really hope RW gets a shot at the Navy HC job and just isn't being used to keep the recruits in place by CHT. I heard Rob C and RW did a great job at the NAPS Graduation with the recruits and parents.

Section1 -- great question but my guess is that being a former officer is the last thing CHT and his Cabal could care about . The former officers in the college coaching profession that come to mind are Mike Corrado, Jeff Shirk , JL Reppert USMC, John Tillman , Jon Birsner . Who did I miss ?

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[NYSection1]

Section1 -- great question but my guess is that being a former officer is the last thing CHT and his Cabal could care about . The former officers in the college coaching profession that come to mind are Mike Corrado, Jeff Shirk , JL Reppert USMC, John Tillman , Jon Birsner . Who did I miss ?

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Thanks Tecumesh: I was wondering because, as you noted, Mike Corrado is a former Navy officer. Hope he stays at Nova, but certainly must respect the honor of coaching in Annapolis.

As a side note, AD Chet Gladchuk had an interesting career at Boston College. Ironically, the former Villanova AD Gene DeFillipo replaced Gladchuk at Boston College, and subsequently dropped men's lacrosse.

[HealthyDebate]

Good to hear .... Love the St. Anthony and Chaminade players ! Hard nosed and well coached in HS.

I really hope RW gets a shot at the Navy HC job and just isn't being used to keep the recruits in place by CHT. I heard Rob C and RW did a great job at the NAPS Graduation with the recruits and parents.

Section1 -- great question but my guess is that being a former officer is the last thing CHT and his Cabal could care about . The former officers in the college coaching profession that come to mind are Mike Corrado, Jeff Shirk , JL Reppert USMC, John Tillman , Jon Birsner . Who did I miss ?

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I am sure RW is being used. Why else name him interim. That is what the title means "placeholder". I am sure he and Coach Camposa know that. For a number of reasons I respect them, they could be lame ducks. I would seriously question some of these recruits staying if Wellner leaves. Again, I am a LI guy who is a fan of his, I am also dialed into the LI lax world and he has strong ties here. Some of these recruits might follow him. Do not know that for certain but it is NOT out of the realm of possibility. They have a number f Top 100 commits from LI in their 2020 class. Just sayin....

[laxpere]

RS is gone, we need something new to complain about!

...there's always $10 parking.

...and that stupid darned pop up window on the right side of each Navysports page needs to go. It's always in the way.

...and the way that the former former coach was fired, plus the guy who fired the former coaches.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" Sir Winston Churchill
I saw this quote had to chuckle since it looked for a time that there wasn't much new to complain about....after Coach Sowell was fired
Hopefully, the subject does change, but I might end up missing the posts with Coach Sowell's record and the carping about how poorly his beloved predecessor was treated...not.

I am looking forward to Navy Lacrosse v.2020!
There are issues on both sides of the field and there is room for improve almost everywhere. I would contend that inexperience was one of the main culprits, but inconsistency quarter to quarter was also a major issue. Hopefully, a year of seasoning helps improve onfield performance this coming year. As mentioned in numerous posts long ago, the 2019 season MVP was 24 since the season would have have been a real disaster without him. Good news that he will be there for v.2020.

Some questions might have been answered, but are there any "right" answers at this point? Plus, it looks like there is plenty to time to debate since who knows when the head coach will be named.
Lady Mids
Another really good season! So close to the final four.
What is Coach Cindy's secret sauce?
Why have the Lady Mids been more successful?
Any practices there that might help the Men Mids succeed?
More directs than NAPS?
Stronger local base of recruiting support and fewer alternatives?
Coaching
What needs to change beyond the long-awaited firing of the head coach?
Do you go with Coach Wellner as interim head coach into next year or risk "rebuilding" pains and/or killing the recruiting pipeline?
Is Cornell 2018 the model? I hope that Coach Wellner has a shot to win the job during the 2020 season and it is certainly good to hear from Healthy that Coach Wellner is out there sporting Navy colors.
If Coach Wellner bolts, what will he be able to offer the 2020 recruits to follow him? He'll certainly need a very strong hand to flip them as LandM said. Others are likely to pounce too if they haven't already. Think Maryland, but is the draw the head coach or the OC?
Does the new head coach need to be a USNA graduate? Is that important to players/recruits, alumni and/or NAAA alumni?
Will there be a shift away from the "tough love" and "ride your strongest horses" mentality?
Does hands on OC solve the offensive troubles?
NAPS
Is it time to analyze the impact of NAPS and maybe change the strategy?
Would directs be less likely to leave USNA than NAPS?
Directs more productive? Look at Cole, Sweeney and Barry in 2019, plus McKenna in 2018.
Would recruiting profile change?
What is the profile of the "right" player"?
Is USNA the right place for the "right" player?
There is a healthy debate ongoing in the Hopkins forum with plenty of interesting points about recruiting challenges there that could apply to USNA too.

Enjoy the weekend. There will be some nail biters, but I am looking for the semis to be all Pennsylvania and UVA-Duke.

Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020!

[laxpere]

Good to hear .... Love the St. Anthony and Chaminade players ! Hard nosed and well coached in HS.

I really hope RW gets a shot at the Navy HC job and just isn't being used to keep the recruits in place by CHT. I heard Rob C and RW did a great job at the NAPS Graduation with the recruits and parents.

I am sure RW is being used. Why else name him interim. That is what the title means "placeholder". I am sure he and Coach Camposa know that. For a number of reasons I respect them, they could be lame ducks. I would seriously question some of these recruits staying if Wellner leaves. Again, I am a LI guy who is a fan of his, I am also dialed into the LI lax world and he has strong ties here. Some of these recruits might follow him. Do not know that for certain but it is NOT out of the realm of possibility. They have a number of Top 100 commits from LI in their 2020 class. Just sayin....

Healthy,
You point out the huge risks during the post-firing uncertainty. As a couple of posters on the Hopkins forum said, careful what you wish for. Okay, the calls for change were finally heard, now what? I think that naming Coach Wellner as interim head coach helped create a bit of stability in the program from a player standpoint, both current and future. Plus, the cabal has been relatively quiet. Any thoughts from your insider?

Coach Wellner might be being used, but I would contend that he has a decent hand (well liked and a good track record) and that hand improved when he wasn't kicked out too. Same with Coach Camposa since they both aren't scrambling to find new gigs, at least overtly, and remain in the information flow of the recruiting circuit. Also, they might have the inside track with a new head coach since they know the "ropes" and the current/future players at USNA. Going to NAPS graduation is a smart move too.

So do you go with Coach Wellner as interim head coach into next year or risk "rebuilding" pains and/or killing the recruiting pipeline?
Is Cornell 2018 the model? Not exactly the same, but I think that it rhymes. I hope that Coach Wellner has a shot to win the job during the 2020 season and it is certainly good to hear from you that Coach Wellner is out there in an important market sporting Navy colors even if the game involved his alma mater.

If Coach Wellner bolts, what will he be able to offer the 2020 recruits to follow him? Will the Top 100 LI recruits follow him because he is a "local" guy? Aren't there plenty of head coaches who are Long Islanders too? He'll certainly need a very strong hand to flip them and LandM offers sage advice for the recruits in the pipeline from an education and "career" standpoint at a service academy. Others are likely to pounce too if they haven't already. Think Maryland, but is the draw there the head coach or the OC? At the end of the day, did the recruits commit because of the institution or the coaches? Only the recruits know for sure, but isn't one of the first tenets of recruiting choose the school, not the coaches? As players have often heard, schools don't move, but coaches do.

Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020!

[stupefied]

Navy is a different college experience to say the least. Have to believe that lacrosse is secondary to deciding to making that commitment to attend. Many recruits maybe had their eyes opened to the possibility of attending Navy by a coach but others always targeted but in either case I highly doubt a coach leaving or being retained influences whether a player does the same.

[youthathletics]

We need to stop comparing WLAX to MLAX, the only thing that is the same is the goal, the net, and the size of the ball.

I believe the difference.... is relationships, as in everything we do, always have, always will. As Steve Jobs once said "It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do." Coaching is so much more than X's and O's....that is the easiest part. Any one of us could google 5 lacrosse plays and teach a team how to run them.

There is not one coach out there that anyone of us can name that would do a better job than RW, why? Because RW has not had a chance, and no other coach out there has proven success at a SA. And, if a climate survey (either formal or informal) shows the players support RW as a majority, which I believe they do, then it is quite an easy decision the AD had.has to make for year 2020.

In closing, think back on your own business or your career path. Quite often the senior leaders in most businesses (and college sports is much like a business) were home grown and navigated the ranks by earning promotion. Why?, They know the standards or the business, they know the culture, the understand the "real" mission, etc, etc.

Looking forward to some great college games today, only two weekends left...yuck. And the PGA championship mixed in. Enjoy your weekend everyone!

[Sativa Specialist]

Chet is a smart man who knows JT loved Navy. Maryland has a new AD and Loh is leaving soon. Let's be frank, the Maryland athletic department has been in turmoil. CG wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't try to land Tillman. I would not be surprised if JT took the Navy job or if it went to his asst. Pure speculation on my part as I have no inside information but if you listen to Tillman speak of Navy you can tell he loved his time in Annapolis.

[laxpere]

Chet is a smart man who knows JT loved Navy. Maryland has a new AD and Loh is leaving soon. Let's be frank, the Maryland athletic department has been in turmoil. CG wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't try to land Tillman. I would not be surprised if JT took the Navy job or if it went to his asst. Pure speculation on my part as I have no inside information but if you listen to Tillman speak of Navy you can tell he loved his time in Annapolis.

No doubt that Maryland's coaching staff is on the radar given their ties to Navy Lacrosse. Even with the turmoil at Maryland, the AD and alumni would undoubtedly fight to keep Coach Tillman. He delivered in 2017 after many "close but no cigar" final four appearances.

Dynamic at Maryland is interesting. Coach Tillman was the OC when Reppert played so they've known each other a long time. There is also a history of Maryland assistants moving up to the next level, ie Warne, Moran and Conry. Instead of another assistant moving up to the next level, does Coach Tillman chase what might be his dream job? A position that probably is not likely to be open again for several years. If Coach Tillman goes to Navy, what happens to Coach Reppert? Is he ready to take the helm at Maryland or would he move with Coach Tillman to Navy as OC?

I still believe that more prestige and huge upside potential with limited downside are good reasons for Coach Tillman to move.
But forget the twofer. Could there be a threefer? Tillman as head coach, Reppert as OC and Coach Wellner stays as DC. Voila, all problems solved. Now that's a game changer!

Maybe we'll know sooner rather than later after the highway robbery of Maryland by one ref.

Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020!

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Another candidate is now available.

[oldjayfan]

Tillman to Navy? C'mon guys, gimme a break

[Dip&Dunk]

Tillman to Navy? C'mon guys, gimme a break

Belichick is going back to coach Baltimore too.

[youthathletics]

Tillman to Navy? C'mon guys, gimme a break

Belichick is going back to coach Baltimore too.

Tillman still stuck on stall ball from days of yesteryear...might very well have cost them yesterday.

I would be all for Belichick coming back to Navy....maybe a twofer and he can support the Football staff as well.

[Seahawk]

Can’t see Tillman coming to Navy, but if he does, even he won’t be able to overcome the inherent SA disadvantages when recruiting players. It takes a special person/athlete to want to go to a SA, when other colleges can offer equal or better academics without the service requirements. Otherwise the SA’s would be top ten in all sports. If he does come, UMD can look to many former coaches/players to fill his shoes, including Warne, Moran, Reppert, Bernhardt, Haus et al.

[Tecumseh]

https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-eas ... s-1.581721

Admiral Wade is doing work !

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[youthathletics]

https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-eas ... s-1.581721

Admiral Wade is doing work !

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+1

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

I’ve got a serious question: Coach Pietramala is in limbo with one year left on his contract, no top cover like he used to have, damaged from the 2013 fiasco when everyone crossed swords with President Daniels to come up with the rolling suspensions “solution”, and firmly in lame duck status unless some white smoke emerges over Homewood after Memorial Day.

Even then, any Hopkins renewal might only be a 1, 2, or perhaps 3 year extension after only so-so results over a decade. But Hopkins is a very difficult place to recruit. It basically recruits itself, often to its detriment.

Navy also recruits itself and has a lot of major selling points that Hopkins does not have.

So the question: any interest in swooping in with a 7 or 8 year offer at $300K per year to Pietramala?

Not only would that be better than what he’s currently getting, it would offer him more security than how he’s currently being played along, pay him more, and possibly even bring Belichick back down to Annapolis in the near future.

I see many win-win-win aspects to this.

Hopkins folks tell me I’m nuts.

I say follow the money and who wants you the most.

What do you folks in Navy circles say?

And BTW, I will be consulting with some of you by email and PM. Genuinely interested in what you think.

The timing of what goes down in coming weeks is critical for Coach Pietramala.

If the Navy position fills, Tillman doesn’t move, and THEN the shoe drops at Hopkins, where the hell does that leave him? Coaching Towson? Or moving out of the area to the fricking northeast?

I have been seeing a possible Navy-Pietramala match for about three years now. And the circumstances are ripe. The ship will have sailed a year from now. Fish or cut bait.

Thoughts?

[old salt]

Too much like RM for this AD (jmho)

[The Orfling]

Interesting re: The Petro scenario — is it akin to Coach Timchal’s situation (legend in high pressure job looking for a new challenge with high upside for success) OR will we see, as others have suggested, a repeat of the situation when Paul Johnson left and a trusted assistant coach was elevated?

I see the football analogy as closer. I think Navy got burned last time — pushing out RM on the assumption Tillman would jump at the job (for one more football analogy, like when ND fired its coach to make room for Urban Meyer, who spurned them for Florida’s job). Seen in one light, the Navy AD may have learned the hard truth that the Navy MLax job, while good, is no longer seen as a true plum. Seen in another light, the prior experience may have sobered up the more ambitious boosters, allowing the AD the latitude to promote a trusted assistant coach. In either case, I don’t think Navy would want the potential embarrassment of chasing after a high profile coach like Petro and possibly getting turned down.

[oldjayfan]

Petro is a defensive minded coach given his playing background...and, he's not adverse to winning 7-6 games. He could mold a stingy defensive unit and play stall ball--all while making nice bank. I've heard more far-fetched rumors--not to mention the B1G is a gauntlet; the PL is no slouch game in, game out, but it may be a more doable path than the B1G. As someone mentioned, not sure his antics would fly at the USNA, but again, he has matured--some