Our Undeclared Wars

[foreverlax]

"Does not look like forces for an invasion or heavy ground war. "

F-15c fighters
B-52h bombers
Carrier group
100,000 boots

Then What the heck?? All that for a picnic at the beach?

Those missions continue.thats a joke - Mission Accomplished per Comedian in Chief. All dead, all gone, he told us.

Tell us about the 100k boots. In DOPUS world left is right...nothing on Fox?


Using the NYT fake news hype machine, to saber rattle.Good one, let's see how it plays out...I looking for a wag the dog when the full effects of his b.s. tariffs are funding farmers dead crops approach fails.

Did Pompeo tell Vlad to stand down in '20? When asked directly will Pompeo respond directly?

[ToastDunk]

Skeptical U.S. Allies Resist Trump’s New Claims of Threats From Iran
By Helene Cooper and Edward Wong
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/worl ... e=Homepage

Of course our allies are skeptical, it's a consequence of Trump's (and his White House's) actions here at home.

[foreverlax]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

[jhu72]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

What does Putin say? He is always right.

[ToastDunk]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

And there in lies the problem. With a President and administration that appears to lie about everything large and small, and a Republican party too afraid to call him out on these lies, the question is "Why" believe the President this time?

[jhu72]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

And there in lies the problem. With a President and administration that appears to lie about everything large and small, and a Republican party too afraid to call him out on these lies, the question is "Why" believe the President this time?

Exactly. Unless the allies get onboard and say Trump is not lying, he has got it right, you will never get a majority in this country to agree with him on any issue which requires proof of an IC nature. The current situation has all the hallmarks of wag the dog. This was all totally predictable.

[foreverlax]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

And there in lies the problem. With a President and administration that appears to lie about everything large and small, and a Republican party too afraid to call him out on these lies, the question is "Why" believe the President this time?

Yup....although he is losing the impact of the bully pulpit with pretty much everyone other then the Blinder Brigade . When he tweeted about BA and the new AF1 price tag, it hit the stock. Now he chirps and it barely moves the needle.

[CU88]

@realDonaldTrump

In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.

11:48 AM - 29 Nov 2011

[OCanada]

More projection

[old salt]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

The Brit's just talking about the threat in his area (W Iraq/E Syria). CentComm's worried about the entire region, with our biggest vulnerabilities our USAF assets in Qatar & USN 5th Fleet assets in Bahrain.

Irainian proxies are blowing up Saudi pipelines & blowing holes in Saudi oil tankers.

The "war plans" are just incremental force protection measures for our forces & allies long standing positions.
Iran is lashing out as the sanctions bite.

[MDlaxfan76]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

The Brit's just talking about the threat in his area (W Iraq/E Syria). CentComm's worried about the entire region, with our biggest vulnerabilities our USAF assets in Qatar & USN 5th Fleet assets in Bahrain.

Irainian proxies are blowing up Saudi pipelines & blowing holes in Saudi oil tankers.

The "war plans" are just incremental force protection measures for our forces & allies long standing positions.
Iran is lashing out as the sanctions bite.

Typical.
Trump wags his tail and you sniff his butt and exclaim it smells sweet.

Which in no way is to suggest that Trump can't or won't stumble into a shooting war. Which the Europeans definitely won't support as they know that this all Trump (Bolton); far more likely is that they'll back Iran economically in order to chill the Iranians out.

Vlad's doing a dance of glee.

[old salt]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

The Brit's just talking about the threat in his area (W Iraq/E Syria). CentComm's worried about the entire region, with our biggest vulnerabilities our USAF assets in Qatar & USN 5th Fleet assets in Bahrain.

Irainian proxies are blowing up Saudi pipelines & blowing holes in Saudi oil tankers.

The "war plans" are just incremental force protection measures for our forces & allies long standing positions.
Iran is lashing out as the sanctions bite.

Typical.
Trump wags his tail and you sniff his butt and exclaim it smells sweet.

Which in no way is to suggest that Trump can't or won't stumble into a shooting war. Which the Europeans definitely won't support as they know that this all Trump (Bolton); far more likely is that they'll back Iran economically in order to chill the Iranians out.

Vlad's doing a dance of glee.

No need to wet yourself. We're not going to war with Iran.

[holmes435]

No need to wet yourself. We're not going to war with Iran.

A lot of smart people said that about Iraq.

A lot of smart people said that about many wars in many countries over the centuries.

The main takeaway is that with Trump, anything is possible. There is certainly no restraint coming from the White House in any quarter.

[old salt]

The forces we have there are not capable of an invasion of Iran, or a protracted air or naval conflict.
It would take months to get the necessary forces in place.

We are just getting our defensive forces back up to their previous level & signalling to Iran that if they, or their proxies, attack Americans, there will be a disproportionate, punishing counter strike.

This came out of CentComm, not the WH, based on the intel they are seeing. A specific, credible threat.
Might be the photos of missiles being transported in boats, following the missile & drone strikes on Saudi Arabia from Yemen.

I will be surprised if Iran provokes the US now that we've put this marker down & have adequate defensive/deterrent forces back in place.

[OCanada]

I agree re force level though the senator form AK is claiming two strikes and we are done.

Allies are saying intel the WH is pushing is false. Venezuela coup was false. Iraq was false almost 15 years ago. Pretty much everyone involved pushing the idea has lied so much they have little credibility.

What appears most likely is the WH is pushing a false narrative to distract, as they have tried to distract before, and create foreign threat leading up to the ejection year. Remember when Trump tweeted the Obama would start a war with Iran to get elected. Recall his biggest tell

[CU88]

I really don't know where to post this topic, but it kinds slots in here.


"Pirates threaten the open sea, the same is possible in open space. In this same way, I believe we too must now recognize the necessity of a Space Force."

— Sen. Ted Cruz

https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/t ... d_ms_tw_ma

What the heck!

[MDlaxfan76]

As the Trump administration draws up war plans against Iran over what it says are threats to American troops and interests, a senior British military official told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday that he saw no increased risk from Iran or allied militias in Iraq or Syria.

A few hours later, the United States Central Command issued an unusual rebuke: The remarks from the British official — Maj. Gen. Chris Ghika, who is also the deputy commander of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State — run “counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from U.S. and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region.”

So who do we believe, the LIC or some fake news Limey - tough one.

The Brit's just talking about the threat in his area (W Iraq/E Syria). CentComm's worried about the entire region, with our biggest vulnerabilities our USAF assets in Qatar & USN 5th Fleet assets in Bahrain.

Irainian proxies are blowing up Saudi pipelines & blowing holes in Saudi oil tankers.

The "war plans" are just incremental force protection measures for our forces & allies long standing positions.
Iran is lashing out as the sanctions bite.

Typical.
Trump wags his tail and you sniff his butt and exclaim it smells sweet.

Which in no way is to suggest that Trump can't or won't stumble into a shooting war. Which the Europeans definitely won't support as they know that this all Trump (Bolton); far more likely is that they'll back Iran economically in order to chill the Iranians out.

Vlad's doing a dance of glee.

No need to wet yourself. We're not going to war with Iran.

Well, that's good news.
Keep declaring it sweet.

[OCanada]

Whew I guess Iran is the new NK.

[old salt]

From Jamie McIntyre's Daily on Defense :
CNN, NBC, the Washington Post, and the New York Times have all quoted sources saying that overhead imagery shows missiles loaded onto small boats in the Persian Gulf by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and orders from Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, sanction attacks on U.S. forces and diplomatic facilities by proxy forces.

Exactly what to make of the intelligence is “a subject of fierce debate among the White House, the Pentagon, the C.I.A. and America’s allies,” said the Times, while the Post quotes sources saying Trump is “frustrated with some of his top advisers, who he thinks could rush the United States into a military confrontation with Iran and shatter his long-standing pledge to withdraw from costly foreign wars.”

NO INFIGHTING: President Trump disputed the accounts of discord among his advisers and said he alone calls the shots.

“The Fake News Washington Post, and even more Fake News New York Times, are writing stories that there is infighting with respect to my strong policy in the Middle East. There is no infighting whatsoever,” wrote Trump in a pair of tweets. “Different opinions are expressed and I make a decisive and final decision — it is a very simple process. All sides, views, and policies are covered. I'm sure that Iran will want to talk soon.”

Even Andrea Mitchell is satisfied with the intel. She heard it from a "trusted source" in the State Dept.

[OCanada]

Lolololololol.