Your question is irrelevant because we are talking about ranking teams in a poll, not gambling. If I had to rank those two teams in your scenario, and I had no other data, I would rank team B above team A.coda wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:21 amfigured you wouldnt answer the question. Team like Quinnipiac is not playing UVA or ND to 1 goal, most the top 20 isnt going to play either to a goal. Nobody has said losses were a positive, merely that you need to judge every performance for what it was. Its impressive to take a top 3 team in the country to OT. It gives you a glimpse to the ceiling of the team. Beating a middle of the pack team in OT, doesnt tell you much. Beating them by 10 actually may give you some insight. MOV is important.rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:44 pmFirst, its never as simple as evaluating one game versus one other when making a poll.coda wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:56 pmSimple view. Try answering this scenario.
Team A loses to ND in OT
Team B beats BU in OT..
Team A plays Team B next week. what’s your line?
Do you really think Team A is worse than Team B?
Second, as a rough measure, any team in the top 30 (lets use RPI despite its flaws) is capable of losing by 1 to any team in the top 10 on a given game day.
Third, good teams find a way to still win despite a bad day or extenuating circumstances. And beating a team in the top 20 (BU) on any given day is not easy for any team.
Losses can never be a positive. They can only be more or less of a negative. Given other data points, I might not take anything away from a team for losing to ND in OT, but it wouldn't add to their resume. They need to prove themselves through wins.
Team like Quinnipiac is not playing UVA or ND to 1 goal, most the top 20 isn't going to play either to a goal.
This is good-ole boys logic, that sets certain teams apart based on history and tradition and not results. We can't know how Quinnipiac will do until they play those teams. 1-7 Brown lost to then #3 Maryland by 1. Unranked Colgate beat Penn State. Unranked Georgtown beat Notre Dame. Top 20 Penn beat Duke.
You did, in your scenario.Nobody has said losses were a positive
Losses are not irrelevant. They are useful to evaluate after you evaluate the strength of wins. But losses should be evaluated against another teams losses. Never against another teams wins, IMO.