2024 top 20

[coda]

https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenich ... -4th-2024/

Quint
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Hop
4. ND
5. UVa
6. Duke
7. Maryland
8. Cuse
9. Cornell
10. PSU

[laxfan1313]

Cornell was the superior team to Denver which was saved by egregious home cooking refereeing. Yet Cornell is 8 spots below Denver. This just shows that these polls are worthless.

[coda]

Cornell was the superior team to Denver which was saved by egregious home cooking refereeing. Yet Cornell is 8 spots below Denver. This just shows that these polls are worthless.

Lets just be honest, this poll is based solely on resume to date. I think most people believe there are 4-5 teams at least as good or better, than Denver. They have 2 solid wins, no matter how tainted people believe they are, and 0 losses.

[rolldodge]

Cornell was the superior team to Denver which was saved by egregious home cooking refereeing. Yet Cornell is 8 spots below Denver. This just shows that these polls are worthless.

Lets just be honest, this poll is based solely on resume to date. I think most people believe there are 4-5 teams at least as good or better, than Denver. They have 2 solid wins, no matter how tainted people believe they are, and 0 losses.

I guess the question is, what is this "taintedness" that is referred to, and are pollsters applying the "taintedness coefficient" consistently across all teams. Do we have to dive into the minds and intentions of referees? Or can we just say that Denver beat Cornell, and therefore is the better team (or at least a strong data point toward that conclusion).

[blue angels]

Cornell was the superior team to Denver which was saved by egregious home cooking refereeing. Yet Cornell is 8 spots below Denver. This just shows that these polls are worthless.

Who really cares at this point as the pols are pretty meaningless when most teams haven't even played in a conference match up yet. I am also extremely confident that Army and Denver won't be ranked 1 & 2 at season's end. Maybe parity is truly here.......

[coda]

Cornell was the superior team to Denver which was saved by egregious home cooking refereeing. Yet Cornell is 8 spots below Denver. This just shows that these polls are worthless.

Lets just be honest, this poll is based solely on resume to date. I think most people believe there are 4-5 teams at least as good or better, than Denver. They have 2 solid wins, no matter how tainted people believe they are, and 0 losses.

I guess the question is, what is this "taintedness" that is referred to, and are pollsters applying the "taintedness coefficient" consistently across all teams. Do we have to dive into the minds and intentions of referees? Or can we just say that Denver beat Cornell, and therefore is the better team (or at least a strong data point toward that conclusion).

I am just acknowledging all the comments. In the end it says W and that is all that matters.

[Brownlax]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

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Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

[coda]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

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Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

Dont tell JoeWillie, but I can not see Cornell in the top 10. They are looking very much like 2023 Yale. Offense looks great, but the defense looks very shaky early in the season.

[stupefied]

Totally subjective , 1-20 off what Ive watched or tape read, no formulas considered


JHU
Army
ND
UVA
Denver
Duke
Maryland
Cornell
Cuse
PSU 8

Yale
Georgetown
Richmond
Michigan
Princeton

Others

UNC
Penn
Umass
Villanova
Rutgers

[joewillie78]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

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Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

Dont tell JoeWillie, but I can not see Cornell in the top 10. They are looking very much like 2023 Yale. Offense looks great, but the defense looks very shaky early in the season.

Coda, your opinion is highly valued as your knowledge of Lax is impressive. Cornells defense, I agree, is a work in progress but has shown improvement the past 2 games.

I put them in the top 10 as their offense, in my opinion, is arguably the best in the country, and their ability to score at such a high level will keep them competitive with ANYONE.

This Saturdays game in Happy Valley, should tell us even more about the progress of the reds defense, as Penn State just put 15 on Yale.

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Joewillie78

[coda]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

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Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

Dont tell JoeWillie, but I can not see Cornell in the top 10. They are looking very much like 2023 Yale. Offense looks great, but the defense looks very shaky early in the season.

Coda, your opinion is highly valued as your knowledge of Lax is impressive. Cornells defense, I agree, is a work in progress but has shown improvement the past 2 games.

I put them in the top 10 as their offense, in my opinion, is arguably the best in the country, and their ability to score at such a high level will keep them competitive with ANYONE.

This Saturdays game in Happy Valley, should tell us even more about the progress of the reds defense, as Penn State just put 15 on Yale.

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Joewillie78

Its still a bit early, but I have Cornell ranked #1 on offense and #40 on defense. Small sample size and teams are still moving around a lot after a single game, but I think those numbers tell a reasonable story. I think Hobart is the only game, where an opposing offense didnt hit a season high or threaten to get there. That said it is 4 games into their season, this team look likely look much different by the end of the year.

[joewillie78]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

Dont tell JoeWillie, but I can not see Cornell in the top 10. They are looking very much like 2023 Yale. Offense looks great, but the defense looks very shaky early in the season.

Coda, your opinion is highly valued as your knowledge of Lax is impressive. Cornells defense, I agree, is a work in progress but has shown improvement the past 2 games.

I put them in the top 10 as their offense, in my opinion, is arguably the best in the country, and their ability to score at such a high level will keep them competitive with ANYONE.

This Saturdays game in Happy Valley, should tell us even more about the progress of the reds defense, as Penn State just put 15 on Yale.

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Joewillie78

Its still a bit early, but I have Cornell ranked #1 on offense and #40 on defense. Small sample size and teams are still moving around a lot after a single game, but I think those numbers tell a reasonable story. I think Hobart is the only game, where an opposing offense didnt hit a season high or threaten to get there. That said it is 4 games into their season, this team look likely look much different by the end of the year.

That assessment seems fair. I know OSU is not a high powered offense but holding them to 11 was a pretty good effort.

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Joewillie78

[Itaintoveryet16]

Media poll has Syracuse at 9 & Georgetwon at 10? Exactly who has Syracuse beaten that warrants a top ten inclusion in any poll. Favoritism is gettng tiresome in lacrosse.

[coda]

My new top 20, March 3rd.
1. Denver
2. Army
3. Johns Hopkins
4. Notre Dame
5. Maryland
6. Duke
7. Virginia
8. Penn State
9. Cornell
10. Michigan
11. Yale
12. Penn
13. Syracuse
14. Harvard
15. Rutgers
16. Princeton
17. Georgetown
18. Richmond
19. North Carolina
20. Colgate

This was brutal. Toughest top 20 I ever did.

Gobigred
Joewillie78

That's a big drop for UVA going to #7 after losing to your own #3 JHU

I have Cornell at #9, after losing to my OWN #1, AT DENVER. With your rationale, should I have Cornell higher?

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Joewillie78

JW - this week is SOOO hard to pick. Just crazy with all of the teams beating each other. Personally, I would have Cornell ahead of Penn State. Maybe that is my Ivy bias

Dont tell JoeWillie, but I can not see Cornell in the top 10. They are looking very much like 2023 Yale. Offense looks great, but the defense looks very shaky early in the season.

Coda, your opinion is highly valued as your knowledge of Lax is impressive. Cornells defense, I agree, is a work in progress but has shown improvement the past 2 games.

I put them in the top 10 as their offense, in my opinion, is arguably the best in the country, and their ability to score at such a high level will keep them competitive with ANYONE.

This Saturdays game in Happy Valley, should tell us even more about the progress of the reds defense, as Penn State just put 15 on Yale.

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Joewillie78

Its still a bit early, but I have Cornell ranked #1 on offense and #40 on defense. Small sample size and teams are still moving around a lot after a single game, but I think those numbers tell a reasonable story. I think Hobart is the only game, where an opposing offense didnt hit a season high or threaten to get there. That said it is 4 games into their season, this team look likely look much different by the end of the year.

That assessment seems fair. I know OSU is not a high powered offense but holding them to 11 was a pretty good effort.

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Joewillie78

That OSU offense has not been great. Their high on the year is 13 vs Cleveland State. Put that into perspective ND scored 25 and High Point put up 18 on CSU. OSU is averaging 10.8 pts. I dont think that number is likely to go higher as Bellarmine, Air Force, Utah, and Cleveland State were 4 of their 6 games. Schedule is going to get much tougher. At this point of the year everything is about relative performance. Top 10 teams should be holding teams below their averages (given the early cupcakes that team have to boost numbers)

[rolldodge]

Media poll has Syracuse at 9 & Georgetwon at 10? Exactly who has Syracuse beaten that warrants a top ten inclusion in any poll. Favoritism is gettng tiresome in lacrosse.

There definitely is a lot of desire to push the "Syracuse is back" narrative. That plus the "good loss" mentality. To be fair, they were within inches of beating both Maryland (overruled goal) and Army (missed the empty net). Probably warrants a top 20 inclusion. But top 10 requires some circular logic i.e. Army is #1 or #2 based partially on overvaluing their win over Syracuse, and Syracuse almost beat them so...top 10!

[coda]

Media poll has Syracuse at 9 & Georgetwon at 10? Exactly who has Syracuse beaten that warrants a top ten inclusion in any poll. Favoritism is gettng tiresome in lacrosse.

There definitely is a lot of desire to push the "Syracuse is back" narrative. That plus the "good loss" mentality. To be fair, they were within inches of beating both Maryland (overruled goal) and Army (missed the empty net). Probably warrants a top 20 inclusion. But top 10 requires some circular logic i.e. Army is #1 or #2 based partially on overvaluing their win over Syracuse, and Syracuse almost beat them so...top 10!

I dont have an issue with anyone that puts CUSE in the back half of the top 10.. They have 2 OT losses (Army/Maryland) and easily handled everyone else on the schedule. If you believe Maryland and ARmy are both legit top 7 teams, then ranking them around 10 makes sense

[rolldodge]

Media poll has Syracuse at 9 & Georgetwon at 10? Exactly who has Syracuse beaten that warrants a top ten inclusion in any poll. Favoritism is gettng tiresome in lacrosse.

There definitely is a lot of desire to push the "Syracuse is back" narrative. That plus the "good loss" mentality. To be fair, they were within inches of beating both Maryland (overruled goal) and Army (missed the empty net). Probably warrants a top 20 inclusion. But top 10 requires some circular logic i.e. Army is #1 or #2 based partially on overvaluing their win over Syracuse, and Syracuse almost beat them so...top 10!

I dont have an issue with anyone that puts CUSE in the back half of the top 10.. They have 2 OT losses (Army/Maryland) and easily handled everyone else on the schedule. If you believe Maryland and ARmy are both legit top 7 teams, then ranking them around 10 makes sense

Its a defensible position, but its a tenuous position. The Syracuse name is definitely a factor on whether you make that call over other teams.

[keno in reno]

Media poll has Syracuse at 9 & Georgetwon at 10? Exactly who has Syracuse beaten that warrants a top ten inclusion in any poll. Favoritism is gettng tiresome in lacrosse.

There definitely is a lot of desire to push the "Syracuse is back" narrative. That plus the "good loss" mentality. To be fair, they were within inches of beating both Maryland (overruled goal) and Army (missed the empty net). Probably warrants a top 20 inclusion. But top 10 requires some circular logic i.e. Army is #1 or #2 based partially on overvaluing their win over Syracuse, and Syracuse almost beat them so...top 10!

I dont have an issue with anyone that puts CUSE in the back half of the top 10.. They have 2 OT losses (Army/Maryland) and easily handled everyone else on the schedule. If you believe Maryland and ARmy are both legit top 7 teams, then ranking them around 10 makes sense

Its a defensible position, but its a tenuous position. The Syracuse name is definitely a factor on whether you make that call over other teams.

The thing with Cuse, right now, is that they haven't boarded a bus yet. So yeah the have 2 great losses both at home. But it doesn't matter if they beat Hopkins this weekend

[molo]

Thus far, Cuse’s claim to fame is that they lost two extremely close games to good teams. The blowout wins against the other teams are nice but expected. Hopkins game should be similar to the Army West Point and Maryland games. The neutral site favors the team that has played games outside, some at home, some away. Nice to see both these teams back to where this is a marquee game.

[joewillie78]

Just needed to move this back to page 1 as I get ready for another Top 20 later this afternoon.

Unlike last week, which was wild, so far the Big WIN by Cuse over JHU, and the terrible loss by my beloved Cornell team, are the only significant games to cause movement in the top 20.

We will see what happens today.

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Joewillie78