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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:15 pm Funny how you folks are cheering Biden on for a half ass attempt at a border solution.
No one is cheering Biden, Cradle. Biden isn't the one who wrote that bill....it was a group of R's and D's.

It's simple, cradle: was that bill better than what we have now?

The answer is a very hearty "yes".

Trump killed it. R's killed it. It's on them, not the D's.

Was the bill perfect? Nope. Not even close. But the perfect bill doesn't exist. Act accordingly.
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a fan wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:27 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:15 pm Funny how you folks are cheering Biden on for a half ass attempt at a border solution.
No one is cheering Biden, Cradle. Biden isn't the one who wrote that bill....it was a group of R's and D's.

It's simple, cradle: was that bill better than what we have now?

The answer is a very hearty "yes".

Trump killed it. R's killed it. It's on them, not the D's.

Was the bill perfect? Nope. Not even close. But the perfect bill doesn't exist. Act accordingly.
Sorry to be redundant but why was this not addressed 3 years ago? I'm too cynical to not believe this sudden urgency to whip up some sort of a politically expedient bipartisanship agreement is simply window dressing to be used for CYA to beat down a political wildfire.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:57 pm Sorry to be redundant but why was this not addressed 3 years ago? I'm too cynical to not believe this sudden urgency to whip up some sort of a politically expedient bipartisanship agreement is simply window dressing to be used for CYA to beat down a political wildfire.
Because Republicans voters didn't hold Trump and the R's accountable.

Been saying the same thing over and over: this is SUPPOSED to be Trump's #1 priority, and the R's #1 priority....12 freaking years ago.

So where the F are the solutions? Where are the Republican bills.

I'll tell you where they are: nowhere. And 100% of this is because Republican voters don't hold their own leaders accountable, and waste 100% of their time telling the world that "the Dems are bad".

So the R leaders do NOTHING. Because that's what the R voters are asking of them: nothing.


Until R voters like YA and OS hold their Republican party accountable? We will NEVER get immigration and visa reform. Never.

It's up to them.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:57 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:27 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:15 pm Funny how you folks are cheering Biden on for a half ass attempt at a border solution.
No one is cheering Biden, Cradle. Biden isn't the one who wrote that bill....it was a group of R's and D's.

It's simple, cradle: was that bill better than what we have now?

The answer is a very hearty "yes".

Trump killed it. R's killed it. It's on them, not the D's.

Was the bill perfect? Nope. Not even close. But the perfect bill doesn't exist. Act accordingly.
Sorry to be redundant but why was this not addressed 3 years ago? I'm too cynical to not believe this sudden urgency to whip up some sort of a politically expedient bipartisanship agreement is simply window dressing to be used for CYA to beat down a political wildfire.
Were the politics conducive 3 years ago?
Maybe. Probably not.

From an executive order standpoint, Biden needed to reverse the family splitting, kids in cages, garbage that the Trump Admin had done. A majority of Americans wanted those reversed.

The one major policy they left in place that actually mattered to slowing immigration was the policy that allowed them to return migrants due to public health emergency but that got struck down by the courts, as would have happened under either President in due course. A whole bunch of Trump orders were reversed as un-Constitutional. You need legislation not Executive orders.

Pretty sure the only thing on most people's minds was the pandemic and its effects. Those effects happened all over the world, a big part of the migration issue...but here in the US we rebounded stronger than any place else in the world...where there's enormous unemployment and sky high inflation, people resort to violence, and those with the means to try to escape for where things are much better...no surprise, The Us was doing the best in the world...still is today.

There are all sorts of priorities the left wanted that they also didn't get accomplished (how about election reform?!), given the politics at the time as well. Can only take on so many priorities at a time, and the result was a rebounded economy, historic and ongoing investments in the infrastructure necessary for increased productivity and competitiveness for decades to come, and a massive investment in technologies and supply chain critical to economic and military competitiveness.

But migration has become an actual burden under the current regime that does not allow migrants to work and support themselves. And we're hugely understaffed to determine whose applications for asylum have merit and whose fail. So, the burden mounts...and migrants turn to undocumented employment.

So, Democrats decided they were willing to invest resources and tougher policies in order to address the problem with largely GOP demands, without demanding pathways for citizenship that they think actually would bring people out of the dark and into taxpaying employment. It's the most GOP friendly bill that has been ever written...and the MAGA nuts rejected it. Worse is good, better is bad. For them.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
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PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:46 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:38 am
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:48 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:21 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:19 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:52 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:54 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:28 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:44 pm Biden is trying to fix Trump’s broken immigration system

New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

According to new data published last month, the Biden Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden.

Funny, when you actually dig deeper into the issue and what's driving things? It's not so black and white as OS and Fox and others try to make it. BDS.
How to lie with statistics. Use %'s rather than actual numbers. The gross numbers were higher under Biden. That's what matters.
Report is from a right wing group founded by one of the Kochs... so they're lying? That's the second link - Cato's own article. There are tons of actual numbers in the report where he's doing better if you actually look. % in addition to actual numbers too.
That changes nothing. Look at the total numbers, all categories, Biden vs Trump.
I did, and Cato did. Lots of total numbers in Biden's favor. Looks like Biden (& Obama) were more about actions and solutions than Trump, who was all about image and posturing. And so many people conveniently ignore the pandemic.
Biden was about attracting more due to his open border policies, then releasing 3 times more to roam freely within the US.
President Trump President Biden
Time Period of Arrests FY 2019–2020 (24 months) 1/20/21–3/31/2023 (26.3 Months)
Outcomes as of: December 31, 2021 March 31, 2023
Total encounters 1,365,529 5,022,027
Expulsions/repatriations 647,437 2,557,603
No confirmed departure 718,092 2,464,424
•Still detained •5,162 (as of Jan-2021) •24,279
•Released •712,930 (by Jan-2021) 2,440,145
Look at the results.
More total encounters under Biden due to his change in policies, increasing the pull factors. That's a negative result.
More expulsions/repatriations under Biden to be expected due to three fold increase in total encounters (another negative result).

Look at the numbers roaming free & unmonitored :
No confirmed departures = 2.46 million under Biden/ 0.72 million under Trump
Released = 2.44 million under Biden / 0.71 million under Trump

Biden was about attracting more migrants & releasing more into the US.
That's what his actions & solutions accomplished.
Each year you sound more and more like and old ass consumer of right wing media.
What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Yep. The border’s a big problem. Senate and Prez work to get a reasonable start at a bi-partisan solution and have the Senate R votes to get it through. The House, only needing a simple majority to pass, start getting whispers it could happen.

But then something happened that I can’t recall. Can anyone help me?
Anyone ask Trump why we he didn’t reform immigration during the first two years of his term?
'Cause Putin likes it the way it is?
Cause Schumer & Durbin stormed out & refused to negotiate on the Gang of 8 compromise bill after Trump swore & called Haiti a sh!thole country. Trump was even willing to go along with the DACA Dreamers, but it takes 60 votes in the Senate & the Dems quit negotiating. They refused to fund any wall.
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old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:03 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:46 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:38 am
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:48 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:21 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:19 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:52 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:54 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:28 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:44 pm Biden is trying to fix Trump’s broken immigration system

New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

According to new data published last month, the Biden Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden.

Funny, when you actually dig deeper into the issue and what's driving things? It's not so black and white as OS and Fox and others try to make it. BDS.
How to lie with statistics. Use %'s rather than actual numbers. The gross numbers were higher under Biden. That's what matters.
Report is from a right wing group founded by one of the Kochs... so they're lying? That's the second link - Cato's own article. There are tons of actual numbers in the report where he's doing better if you actually look. % in addition to actual numbers too.
That changes nothing. Look at the total numbers, all categories, Biden vs Trump.
I did, and Cato did. Lots of total numbers in Biden's favor. Looks like Biden (& Obama) were more about actions and solutions than Trump, who was all about image and posturing. And so many people conveniently ignore the pandemic.
Biden was about attracting more due to his open border policies, then releasing 3 times more to roam freely within the US.
President Trump President Biden
Time Period of Arrests FY 2019–2020 (24 months) 1/20/21–3/31/2023 (26.3 Months)
Outcomes as of: December 31, 2021 March 31, 2023
Total encounters 1,365,529 5,022,027
Expulsions/repatriations 647,437 2,557,603
No confirmed departure 718,092 2,464,424
•Still detained •5,162 (as of Jan-2021) •24,279
•Released •712,930 (by Jan-2021) 2,440,145
Look at the results.
More total encounters under Biden due to his change in policies, increasing the pull factors. That's a negative result.
More expulsions/repatriations under Biden to be expected due to three fold increase in total encounters (another negative result).

Look at the numbers roaming free & unmonitored :
No confirmed departures = 2.46 million under Biden/ 0.72 million under Trump
Released = 2.44 million under Biden / 0.71 million under Trump

Biden was about attracting more migrants & releasing more into the US.
That's what his actions & solutions accomplished.
Each year you sound more and more like and old ass consumer of right wing media.
What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Yep. The border’s a big problem. Senate and Prez work to get a reasonable start at a bi-partisan solution and have the Senate R votes to get it through. The House, only needing a simple majority to pass, start getting whispers it could happen.

But then something happened that I can’t recall. Can anyone help me?
Anyone ask Trump why we he didn’t reform immigration during the first two years of his term?
'Cause Putin likes it the way it is?
Cause Schumer & Durbin stormed out & refused to negotiate on the Gang of 8 compromise bill after Trump swore & called Haiti a sh!thole country.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Right.
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a fan wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:26 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:03 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:46 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:38 am
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:48 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:51 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:21 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:19 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:52 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 8:54 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:28 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:44 pm Biden is trying to fix Trump’s broken immigration system

New Data Show Migrants Were More Likely to Be Released by Trump Than Biden

According to new data published last month, the Biden Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden.

Funny, when you actually dig deeper into the issue and what's driving things? It's not so black and white as OS and Fox and others try to make it. BDS.
How to lie with statistics. Use %'s rather than actual numbers. The gross numbers were higher under Biden. That's what matters.
Report is from a right wing group founded by one of the Kochs... so they're lying? That's the second link - Cato's own article. There are tons of actual numbers in the report where he's doing better if you actually look. % in addition to actual numbers too.
That changes nothing. Look at the total numbers, all categories, Biden vs Trump.
I did, and Cato did. Lots of total numbers in Biden's favor. Looks like Biden (& Obama) were more about actions and solutions than Trump, who was all about image and posturing. And so many people conveniently ignore the pandemic.
Biden was about attracting more due to his open border policies, then releasing 3 times more to roam freely within the US.
President Trump President Biden
Time Period of Arrests FY 2019–2020 (24 months) 1/20/21–3/31/2023 (26.3 Months)
Outcomes as of: December 31, 2021 March 31, 2023
Total encounters 1,365,529 5,022,027
Expulsions/repatriations 647,437 2,557,603
No confirmed departure 718,092 2,464,424
•Still detained •5,162 (as of Jan-2021) •24,279
•Released •712,930 (by Jan-2021) 2,440,145
Look at the results.
More total encounters under Biden due to his change in policies, increasing the pull factors. That's a negative result.
More expulsions/repatriations under Biden to be expected due to three fold increase in total encounters (another negative result).

Look at the numbers roaming free & unmonitored :
No confirmed departures = 2.46 million under Biden/ 0.72 million under Trump
Released = 2.44 million under Biden / 0.71 million under Trump

Biden was about attracting more migrants & releasing more into the US.
That's what his actions & solutions accomplished.
Each year you sound more and more like and old ass consumer of right wing media.
What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Yep. The border’s a big problem. Senate and Prez work to get a reasonable start at a bi-partisan solution and have the Senate R votes to get it through. The House, only needing a simple majority to pass, start getting whispers it could happen.

But then something happened that I can’t recall. Can anyone help me?
Anyone ask Trump why we he didn’t reform immigration during the first two years of his term?
'Cause Putin likes it the way it is?
Cause Schumer & Durbin stormed out & refused to negotiate on the Gang of 8 compromise bill after Trump swore & called Haiti a sh!thole country.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Right.
Ridiculous.

The Gang of 8 achieves a compromise bill and It's the Dems who demand concessions?

Nope, Trump wanted further concessions.
He demanded a drastic cut to legal immigration.

LEGAL immigration.
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old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:57 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:27 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:15 pm Funny how you folks are cheering Biden on for a half ass attempt at a border solution.
No one is cheering Biden, Cradle. Biden isn't the one who wrote that bill....it was a group of R's and D's.

It's simple, cradle: was that bill better than what we have now?

The answer is a very hearty "yes".

Trump killed it. R's killed it. It's on them, not the D's.

Was the bill perfect? Nope. Not even close. But the perfect bill doesn't exist. Act accordingly.
Sorry to be redundant but why was this not addressed 3 years ago? I'm too cynical to not believe this sudden urgency to whip up some sort of a politically expedient bipartisanship agreement is simply window dressing to be used for CYA to beat down a political wildfire.
Were the politics conducive 3 years ago?
Maybe. Probably not.

From an executive order standpoint, Biden needed to reverse the family splitting, kids in cages, garbage that the Trump Admin had done. A majority of Americans wanted those reversed.

The one major policy they left in place that actually mattered to slowing immigration was the policy that allowed them to return migrants due to public health emergency but that got struck down by the courts, as would have happened under either President in due course. A whole bunch of Trump orders were reversed as un-Constitutional. You need legislation not Executive orders.

Pretty sure the only thing on most people's minds was the pandemic and its effects. Those effects happened all over the world, a big part of the migration issue...but here in the US we rebounded stronger than any place else in the world...where there's enormous unemployment and sky high inflation, people resort to violence, and those with the means to try to escape for where things are much better...no surprise, The Us was doing the best in the world...still is today.

There are all sorts of priorities the left wanted that they also didn't get accomplished (how about election reform?!), given the politics at the time as well. Can only take on so many priorities at a time, and the result was a rebounded economy, historic and ongoing investments in the infrastructure necessary for increased productivity and competitiveness for decades to come, and a massive investment in technologies and supply chain critical to economic and military competitiveness.

But migration has become an actual burden under the current regime that does not allow migrants to work and support themselves. And we're hugely understaffed to determine whose applications for asylum have merit and whose fail. So, the burden mounts...and migrants turn to undocumented employment.

So, Democrats decided they were willing to invest resources and tougher policies in order to address the problem with largely GOP demands, without demanding pathways for citizenship that they think actually would bring people out of the dark and into taxpaying employment. It's the most GOP friendly bill that has been ever written...and the MAGA nuts rejected it. Worse is good, better is bad. For them.
Since when is enforcement of federal immigration law suppose to be only done when politically conducive? I was unaware of such a stipulation in enforcement of federal law. FTR, and this is true for both parties, Executive orders are easy, producing an effective immigration policy actually forces politicians to get down to the nitty gritty and get their hands dirty. Who wants to do that now? That's really hard work.
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old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Controlling immigration at the border is also clearly defined by federal law. Maybe we are misunderstanding what the term "required by law" means? Why not change it to "suggested by federal law" ? That makes the governments inability to do their job much more palatable.
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On a bit of a side note.. Miami Beach law enforcement has put the hammer down to shut down spring break protesters. The law can actually be enforced if you want to. No drunken college kids passed out all over the place. :D
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What are drunk college kids "protesting"? Low-information voters propping up a wannabe tinpot dictator? :lol:

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dislaxxic wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:18 am What are drunk college kids "protesting"? Low-information voters propping up a wannabe tinpot dictator? :lol:

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Do I really need to explain it to you chuckle head? I will if your actually this confused. :D
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old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Nope, I'm referring to Trump's pronouncements and those of Miller and other a-holes in and around Trump-world. They're taking it way beyond mere temporary detention.
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:44 am On a bit of a side note.. Miami Beach law enforcement has put the hammer down to shut down spring break protesters. The law can actually be enforced if you want to. No drunken college kids passed out all over the place. :D
You said it, so yeah, break it down for us, what are they protesting, these "drunken college kids"? Mar-A-Lardo's ongoing political fantasy world?

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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:25 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Nope, I'm referring to Trump's pronouncements and those of Miller and other a-holes in and around Trump-world. They're taking it way beyond mere temporary detention.
DHS detention facilities have already been criticized as concentration camp by open borders advocates & will be again, especially if built, contracted or operated by a (R) admin.
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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old salt wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:25 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Nope, I'm referring to Trump's pronouncements and those of Miller and other a-holes in and around Trump-world. They're taking it way beyond mere temporary detention.
DHS detention facilities have already been criticized as concentration camp by open borders advocates & will be again, especially if built, contracted or operated by a (R) admin.
MAGA is much different than "R".
What Trump and Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon et al are promising is very different from what we've seen, not that those Trump era detention camps were any picnic. The family separations being particularly ugly.

Mass camps. Mass deportation, without due process. Not just for those who have come in the last few years, but those many millions who have been here for decades living peacefully, but not documented. Dreamers too. Heck, they want to remove the US born children of undocumented. They want to repeal or ignore birthright citizenship.

Mass registry of all 'undesirables', however they wish to define those. Muslim registry, Muslim ban re-instated.

And that's only what they've said out loud, publicly. So far...
but MAGA UnBound? Expect gross excesses.

Note, these a-holes don't want legal immigration either, unless a limited number from 'desirable' (northern Western European and perhaps White Russian). No more asylum seekers.

They want a complete reversal of what they call the "Great Replacement", a cleansing of America of all those 'mud people'...ok, that's just what the internet and OAN a-holes call for so explicitly, but it's what the faux 'conservative intellectuals' allude to on Fox too. Wink wink to the worst of the worst, follow us and we'll get you what you want and clothe it in 'patriotism'. Wave the flag, stand up to anthem...Hail Leader...
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:34 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:25 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:34 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:52 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:27 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:54 am
old salt wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:24 am What does Zanny at the Economist tell you about our open borders "immigration" system ?
That it's good for our economy. How do they do it back home in the UK ?
https://www.economist.com/united-states ... e-election
https://www.unhcr.org/us/news/press-rel ... ffice-warn
https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-govern ... eport-says
Ask Nigel Farage who tanked the UK economy over Brexit - they still haven't recovered.
The US economy should aspire to be the UK.
Should we aspire to round up illegal aliens & ship them to Rwanda the way the Brits want to do ?
MAGA prefers concentration camps.
Are you referring to more DHS detention facilities which are already required by law ?

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities
Nope, I'm referring to Trump's pronouncements and those of Miller and other a-holes in and around Trump-world. They're taking it way beyond mere temporary detention.
DHS detention facilities have already been criticized as concentration camp by open borders advocates & will be again, especially if built, contracted or operated by a (R) admin.
MAGA is much different than "R".
What Trump and Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon et al are promising is very different from what we've seen, not that those Trump era detention camps were any picnic. The family separations being particularly ugly.

Mass camps. Mass deportation, without due process. Not just for those who have come in the last few years, but those many millions who have been here for decades living peacefully, but not documented. Dreamers too. Heck, they want to remove the US born children of undocumented. They want to repeal or ignore birthright citizenship.

Mass registry of all 'undesirables', however they wish to define those. Muslim registry, Muslim ban re-instated.

And that's only what they've said out loud, publicly. So far...
but MAGA UnBound? Expect gross excesses.

Note, these a-holes don't want legal immigration either, unless a limited number from 'desirable' (northern Western European and perhaps White Russian). No more asylum seekers.

They want a complete reversal of what they call the "Great Replacement", a cleansing of America of all those 'mud people'...ok, that's just what the internet and OAN a-holes call for so explicitly, but it's what the faux 'conservative intellectuals' allude to on Fox too. Wink wink to the worst of the worst, follow us and we'll get you what you want and clothe it in 'patriotism'. Wave the flag, stand up to anthem...Hail Leader...
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