C'mon, you know he had to go for the "Spallina" signature .
Watched it live and Pilate knew exactly what was coming and v-held him at the perfect time, while an adjacent defender collapsed. Pilate is a 1st Team AA.
I think the bigger issue is Hiltz is not developed into a real dodging threat. Mule is a nice option at attack but even he is not alpha go to guy at X. A lot falls on Spallina, it’s hard. I feel for him in a sense too. The beauty of Spallinanis his versatility but that attack line is still lacking an alpha dodger at X. Hiltz, Thompson, mule are all box finishers. This will be a problem vs good teams.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:39 amI feel for Spallina a bit as he is always going to draw the other teams best defender, just like here at Cornell, Kirst will always draw that assignment. They just have to tough it out, and fight that much harder. Comparing these 2 is a bit difficult as their games are different but being the #1 option, still means that you draw the #1 defenseman, and they know that going in. Everyone on the planet knew Pilate would cover Spallina.GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:34 am In 6 games, Joey Spallina has: 38 Points- 14 goals, 24 assists, and 14 TO's.
Spallina vs Vermont, Colgate, Manhattan, and Utah: 33 points- 13 goals, 20 assists, and 9 TO's. All wins.
Spallina vs MD and Army: 5 points- 1 goal, 4 assists, and 5 TO's. Both losses.
UMD: 1G, 2A, & 1 TO. Army: 0G, 2A, & 4TO.
Need #22 to step up in big games. This is the issue people (and myself) have with him. I don't mind him running it up against lesser opponents (7+ points in all their wins), but when you're not putting up solid points against the good ones and losing, it's not a great look. Looks like he wanted no part of Pilate last night (I wouldn't either, he's an animal).
The defenders matched up on him and schemes against him will only get better from this point on.
Gobigred
Joewillie78
I think eventually they will have to move Leo to attack and bump Hiltz to the 1st mid line. Leo has the dodging ability to help out Joey on the 1st line. Peyton Anderson the top recruit in next years class has the dodging ability to really help Joey but obviously he wont be here until the fall.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:24 amI think the bigger issue is Hiltz is not developed into a real dodging threat. Mule is a nice option at attack but even he is not alpha go to guy at X. A lot falls on Spallina, it’s hard. I feel for him in a sense too. The beauty of Spallinanis his versatility but that attack line is still lacking an alpha dodger at X. Hiltz, Thompson, mule are all box finishers. This will be a problem vs good teams.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:39 amI feel for Spallina a bit as he is always going to draw the other teams best defender, just like here at Cornell, Kirst will always draw that assignment. They just have to tough it out, and fight that much harder. Comparing these 2 is a bit difficult as their games are different but being the #1 option, still means that you draw the #1 defenseman, and they know that going in. Everyone on the planet knew Pilate would cover Spallina.GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:34 am In 6 games, Joey Spallina has: 38 Points- 14 goals, 24 assists, and 14 TO's.
Spallina vs Vermont, Colgate, Manhattan, and Utah: 33 points- 13 goals, 20 assists, and 9 TO's. All wins.
Spallina vs MD and Army: 5 points- 1 goal, 4 assists, and 5 TO's. Both losses.
UMD: 1G, 2A, & 1 TO. Army: 0G, 2A, & 4TO.
Need #22 to step up in big games. This is the issue people (and myself) have with him. I don't mind him running it up against lesser opponents (7+ points in all their wins), but when you're not putting up solid points against the good ones and losing, it's not a great look. Looks like he wanted no part of Pilate last night (I wouldn't either, he's an animal).
The defenders matched up on him and schemes against him will only get better from this point on.
Gobigred
Joewillie78
Anderson strikes me more of a downhill middie but who knows.JeremyCuse wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:27 amI think eventually they will have to move Leo to attack and bump Hiltz to the 1st mid line. Leo has the dodging ability to help out Joey on the 1st line. Peyton Anderson the top recruit in next years class has the dodging ability to really help Joey but obviously he wont be here until the fall.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:24 amI think the bigger issue is Hiltz is not developed into a real dodging threat. Mule is a nice option at attack but even he is not alpha go to guy at X. A lot falls on Spallina, it’s hard. I feel for him in a sense too. The beauty of Spallinanis his versatility but that attack line is still lacking an alpha dodger at X. Hiltz, Thompson, mule are all box finishers. This will be a problem vs good teams.joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:39 amI feel for Spallina a bit as he is always going to draw the other teams best defender, just like here at Cornell, Kirst will always draw that assignment. They just have to tough it out, and fight that much harder. Comparing these 2 is a bit difficult as their games are different but being the #1 option, still means that you draw the #1 defenseman, and they know that going in. Everyone on the planet knew Pilate would cover Spallina.GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:34 am In 6 games, Joey Spallina has: 38 Points- 14 goals, 24 assists, and 14 TO's.
Spallina vs Vermont, Colgate, Manhattan, and Utah: 33 points- 13 goals, 20 assists, and 9 TO's. All wins.
Spallina vs MD and Army: 5 points- 1 goal, 4 assists, and 5 TO's. Both losses.
UMD: 1G, 2A, & 1 TO. Army: 0G, 2A, & 4TO.
Need #22 to step up in big games. This is the issue people (and myself) have with him. I don't mind him running it up against lesser opponents (7+ points in all their wins), but when you're not putting up solid points against the good ones and losing, it's not a great look. Looks like he wanted no part of Pilate last night (I wouldn't either, he's an animal).
The defenders matched up on him and schemes against him will only get better from this point on.
Gobigred
Joewillie78
Yep, you're right. Making the ACC tourney isn't guaranteed. Nor is winning any games left, if you want to glass half-empty things.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:26 pmTop 20? Lol. That’s like 90% of D1 teams. They need top 7 wins at this point. And who said making the ACC tourny is guaranteed?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:55 pmSyracuse has 7 top 20 opponents left on the schedule, and that's BEFORE the ACC tourney. They're fine.10stone5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:28 pmI do.
Look at who Army has left, versus who Syracuse has left.
But yep, they have to start winning against top 20 teams.
I believe both Princeton and UNC were ranked teams when Syracuse beat them last year. But, I agree with you that they need to win some of these big games, I think they are real close.stupefied wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:50 pm Frustrating .
Every team can make excuses.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Biggest reason why Cuse has lost to both Maryland and Army is a few lead players beyond Joey haven't performed to billing.
Spallina was fine vs Maryland gettin six shots on goal but awful last night with only 1 sog and 4 turnovers.
Gonna have to face equally talented defenders when playing Duke, UVA , JHU and perhaps others.
Perhaps coaching staff could revise plays or personnel some to help
Cuse team by no means a paper tiger but have not beaten a ranked team since handling Duke in 2022
ACC teams this year only cannibalize each other once in regular season but plenty of opportunities to validate hype and tourney prospects .
But getting late early and Hopkins game on 3/9th has taken on even more significance.
Another " good showing" loss should not be acceptable.
ND learned two years ago that early losses count in formulas and a strong finish guarantees nothing.
Disappointment last night besides the aforementioned is team blowing a three goal 2nd half lead at home .
Too much finesse and not enuff physical and mental toughness.
Time for Gait to stop with young squad excuse, that bs plays into mental softness .
Plenty of teams have a mix of young and old including UVA who start frosh at a few key positions.
Gait inherited several Desko recruits who were cream of crop and the portal supplied plenty of vets to supplement existing vets.
I believe Cuse is a top ten team as far as talent but praise for such has to be earned starting 3/9th.
Cuse has a very bad schedule for the tournament. They have really tough games and cupcakes. Not much in between. That makes getting few big wins paramount. I think Yale schedules great for the tournament. Lot of solid teams, rarely play cupcakes, and rarely play a big boy..a fan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:55 pmYep, you're right. Making the ACC tourney isn't guaranteed. Nor is winning any games left, if you want to glass half-empty things.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:26 pmTop 20? Lol. That’s like 90% of D1 teams. They need top 7 wins at this point. And who said making the ACC tourny is guaranteed?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:55 pmSyracuse has 7 top 20 opponents left on the schedule, and that's BEFORE the ACC tourney. They're fine.10stone5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:28 pmI do.
Look at who Army has left, versus who Syracuse has left.
But yep, they have to start winning against top 20 teams.
As for "top 7 wins", have a look at Yale from last year. Last at-large team in, yeah?
Now take a look at their "top 7 wins". See how many you can count.
Speaking to 10stone's point: as of today, SU's SOS is #10. Army's is #37. Which team do you think has more chances to beat top 20 teams with their remaining schedules? It's SU, and it's not a close call. That's all he's saying.
But yep, you're right: Syracuse needs to start winning, and start winning right now.
I've always preferred the big hitters, because just two top ten wins gets you in almost without exception. See: Hopkins over the last 20 years.coda wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:35 pmCuse has a very bad schedule for the tournament. They have really tough games and cupcakes. Not much in between. That makes getting few big wins paramount. I think Yale schedules great for the tournament. Lot of solid teams, rarely play cupcakes, and rarely play a big boy..a fan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:55 pmYep, you're right. Making the ACC tourney isn't guaranteed. Nor is winning any games left, if you want to glass half-empty things.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:26 pmTop 20? Lol. That’s like 90% of D1 teams. They need top 7 wins at this point. And who said making the ACC tourny is guaranteed?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:55 pmSyracuse has 7 top 20 opponents left on the schedule, and that's BEFORE the ACC tourney. They're fine.10stone5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:28 pmI do.
Look at who Army has left, versus who Syracuse has left.
But yep, they have to start winning against top 20 teams.
As for "top 7 wins", have a look at Yale from last year. Last at-large team in, yeah?
Now take a look at their "top 7 wins". See how many you can count.
Speaking to 10stone's point: as of today, SU's SOS is #10. Army's is #37. Which team do you think has more chances to beat top 20 teams with their remaining schedules? It's SU, and it's not a close call. That's all he's saying.
But yep, you're right: Syracuse needs to start winning, and start winning right now.
Been saying this for a while. Pretty much need to win at least one, probably two, against the Big 3 (Duke,ND,UVA).coda wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 3:35 pmCuse has a very bad schedule for the tournament. They have really tough games and cupcakes. Not much in between. That makes getting few big wins paramount. I think Yale schedules great for the tournament. Lot of solid teams, rarely play cupcakes, and rarely play a big boy..a fan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:55 pmYep, you're right. Making the ACC tourney isn't guaranteed. Nor is winning any games left, if you want to glass half-empty things.Laxitup21 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:26 pmTop 20? Lol. That’s like 90% of D1 teams. They need top 7 wins at this point. And who said making the ACC tourny is guaranteed?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:55 pmSyracuse has 7 top 20 opponents left on the schedule, and that's BEFORE the ACC tourney. They're fine.10stone5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:28 pmI do.
Look at who Army has left, versus who Syracuse has left.
But yep, they have to start winning against top 20 teams.
As for "top 7 wins", have a look at Yale from last year. Last at-large team in, yeah?
Now take a look at their "top 7 wins". See how many you can count.
Speaking to 10stone's point: as of today, SU's SOS is #10. Army's is #37. Which team do you think has more chances to beat top 20 teams with their remaining schedules? It's SU, and it's not a close call. That's all he's saying.
But yep, you're right: Syracuse needs to start winning, and start winning right now.
could be that our expectations of the players are a bit too highstupefied wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:50 pm Frustrating .
Every team can make excuses.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Biggest reason why Cuse has lost to both Maryland and Army is a few lead players beyond Joey haven't performed to billing.
Spallina was fine vs Maryland gettin six shots on goal but awful last night with only 1 sog and 4 turnovers.
Gonna have to face equally talented defenders when playing Duke, UVA , JHU and perhaps others.
Perhaps coaching staff could revise plays or personnel some to help
Cuse team by no means a paper tiger but have not beaten a ranked team since handling Duke in 2022
ACC teams this year only cannibalize each other once in regular season but plenty of opportunities to validate hype and tourney prospects .
But getting late early and Hopkins game on 3/9th has taken on even more significance.
Another " good showing" loss should not be acceptable.
ND learned two years ago that early losses count in formulas and a strong finish guarantees nothing.
Disappointment last night besides the aforementioned is team blowing a three goal 2nd half lead at home .
Too much finesse and not enuff physical and mental toughness.
Time for Gait to stop with young squad excuse, that bs plays into mental softness .
Plenty of teams have a mix of young and old including UVA who start frosh at a few key positions.
Gait inherited several Desko recruits who were cream of crop and the portal supplied plenty of vets to supplement existing vets.
I believe Cuse is a top ten team as far as talent but praise for such has to be earned starting 3/9th.
sholokov2 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:19 pmcould be that our expectations of the players are a bit too highstupefied wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:50 pm Frustrating .
Every team can make excuses.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Biggest reason why Cuse has lost to both Maryland and Army is a few lead players beyond Joey haven't performed to billing.
Spallina was fine vs Maryland gettin six shots on goal but awful last night with only 1 sog and 4 turnovers.
Gonna have to face equally talented defenders when playing Duke, UVA , JHU and perhaps others.
Perhaps coaching staff could revise plays or personnel some to help
Cuse team by no means a paper tiger but have not beaten a ranked team since handling Duke in 2022
ACC teams this year only cannibalize each other once in regular season but plenty of opportunities to validate hype and tourney prospects .
But getting late early and Hopkins game on 3/9th has taken on even more significance.
Another " good showing" loss should not be acceptable.
ND learned two years ago that early losses count in formulas and a strong finish guarantees nothing.
Disappointment last night besides the aforementioned is team blowing a three goal 2nd half lead at home .
Too much finesse and not enuff physical and mental toughness.
Time for Gait to stop with young squad excuse, that bs plays into mental softness .
Plenty of teams have a mix of young and old including UVA who start frosh at a few key positions.
Gait inherited several Desko recruits who were cream of crop and the portal supplied plenty of vets to supplement existing vets.
I believe Cuse is a top ten team as far as talent but praise for such has to be earned starting 3/9th.
Not here but over at the Syracusefan site some people have mentioned moving Leo to attack and have Hiltz run on the 2nd line mids. I have thought that could be an option since Leo's natural position and he appears to be one of the few guys who can consistently bear his man but who knows.LacrosseFan33 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:49 am I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but in games where Hiltz isn't getting it going, I'd love to see Deere out there, even just for a change of pace.
That's a good call out, Hiltz could serve in the Birtwistle type of interior finishing midfield role on the first linePensky Material wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:09 pmNot here but over at the Syracusefan site some people have mentioned moving Leo to attack and have Hiltz run on the 2nd line mids. I have thought that could be an option since Leo's natural position and he appears to be one of the few guys who can consistently bear his man but who knows.LacrosseFan33 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:49 am I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but in games where Hiltz isn't getting it going, I'd love to see Deere out there, even just for a change of pace.