Johns Hopkins 2024

[wgdsr]

You're man down, so someone's open by definition?? There were 2.9 seconds to go, It had to be a quick pass and shot...why even cover the guy starting with the ball? That may have been the worst coaching--or non-coaching--play I've ever seen. And JJ scored the last several goals yet he's able to catch and shoot? Reminds me of the NY Giants handing the ball off & fumbling against the Eagles instead of victory formation

If you leave the guy with the ball open, 2.9 seconds is easily enough time to get to the cage. So, you're sliding or rotating eventually. If you want to shut off Sillstrop, that's fine. But ultimately 3 seconds is enough time to get off a shot in a couple of different ways.

Should have pushed out. I didnt even like the Denver set. Probably should have had 2 guys screening. No need for a back up there.

Fine, then don't cover the guy on the far backside(watch the replay)--could easily pick-off a long pass; there's no way someone inside the box should be able to catch and shoot unimpeded..

Yep, cover the restart guy and shut off everyone else except the guy on the far side. Fine.

Lots of better options than what the Blue Jays actually did.

And again … Quint K made the exact correct call in the booth regarding the play Denver was going to run. PM and JK should have known right away, too, and called the right defensive set.

Coaches blew it. There can be no reasonable debate on this point. NONE.

DocBarrister

Maybe Coach K can worry more about end of game sets and less about camera time.

This is the most talented Jays team they have fielded in years. We’ve got lacrosse media saying the staff is the best in D1. They need to show it. PM did own not having the timeout available in the post game interview. It would have been nice to have that.

yes. give the offense an opportunity to draw up a play. i'm sure that would've gone over great.

[flalax22]

You're man down, so someone's open by definition?? There were 2.9 seconds to go, It had to be a quick pass and shot...why even cover the guy starting with the ball? That may have been the worst coaching--or non-coaching--play I've ever seen. And JJ scored the last several goals yet he's able to catch and shoot? Reminds me of the NY Giants handing the ball off & fumbling against the Eagles instead of victory formation

If you leave the guy with the ball open, 2.9 seconds is easily enough time to get to the cage. So, you're sliding or rotating eventually. If you want to shut off Sillstrop, that's fine. But ultimately 3 seconds is enough time to get off a shot in a couple of different ways.

Should have pushed out. I didnt even like the Denver set. Probably should have had 2 guys screening. No need for a back up there.

Fine, then don't cover the guy on the far backside(watch the replay)--could easily pick-off a long pass; there's no way someone inside the box should be able to catch and shoot unimpeded..

Yep, cover the restart guy and shut off everyone else except the guy on the far side. Fine.

Lots of better options than what the Blue Jays actually did.

And again … Quint K made the exact correct call in the booth regarding the play Denver was going to run. PM and JK should have known right away, too, and called the right defensive set.

Coaches blew it. There can be no reasonable debate on this point. NONE.

DocBarrister

Maybe Coach K can worry more about end of game sets and less about camera time.

This is the most talented Jays team they have fielded in years. We’ve got lacrosse media saying the staff is the best in D1. They need to show it. PM did own not having the timeout available in the post game interview. It would have been nice to have that.

yes. give the offense an opportunity to draw up a play. i'm sure that would've gone over great.

Well it worked out great the way it went down, didn’t it. Did it look like the D was well prepared for those final seconds?

As someone else said the clock is ticking down you could literally tackle your cover and get away with it

[wgdsr]

You're man down, so someone's open by definition?? There were 2.9 seconds to go, It had to be a quick pass and shot...why even cover the guy starting with the ball? That may have been the worst coaching--or non-coaching--play I've ever seen. And JJ scored the last several goals yet he's able to catch and shoot? Reminds me of the NY Giants handing the ball off & fumbling against the Eagles instead of victory formation

If you leave the guy with the ball open, 2.9 seconds is easily enough time to get to the cage. So, you're sliding or rotating eventually. If you want to shut off Sillstrop, that's fine. But ultimately 3 seconds is enough time to get off a shot in a couple of different ways.

Should have pushed out. I didnt even like the Denver set. Probably should have had 2 guys screening. No need for a back up there.

Fine, then don't cover the guy on the far backside(watch the replay)--could easily pick-off a long pass; there's no way someone inside the box should be able to catch and shoot unimpeded..

Yep, cover the restart guy and shut off everyone else except the guy on the far side. Fine.

Lots of better options than what the Blue Jays actually did.

And again … Quint K made the exact correct call in the booth regarding the play Denver was going to run. PM and JK should have known right away, too, and called the right defensive set.

Coaches blew it. There can be no reasonable debate on this point. NONE.

DocBarrister

Maybe Coach K can worry more about end of game sets and less about camera time.

This is the most talented Jays team they have fielded in years. We’ve got lacrosse media saying the staff is the best in D1. They need to show it. PM did own not having the timeout available in the post game interview. It would have been nice to have that.

yes. give the offense an opportunity to draw up a play. i'm sure that would've gone over great.

Well it worked out great the way it went down, didn’t it. Did it look like the D was well prepared for those final seconds?

As someone else said the clock is ticking down you could literally tackle your cover and get away with it

yeah. i actually said that. that is 20/20 hindsight. the guy literally shot from 18-19 yards, the top of the box. while on man down. they played it fine vs the alternatives. it was a rough last quarter and a half.

[51percentcorn]

OK - let's recap the 4th quarter - while I believe it is always wise to save 2nd half timeouts - I'm not sure what the coaches could have done or said to prevent the following:
- A push at the end of the 3rd quarter by your 6 year grad student twice captain leading to no face-off
- A turnover by your 5 year unquestioned QB at the 12:30 minute mark
- A turnover by a senior mid-fielder (caused)
- Failed clear at the 9.5 minute mark
- 1 minute later - a tripping penalty by your 5th year grad student SSDM leading to a goal a mere 19 seconds into the EMO
- Lose a face-off but it doesn't hurt you since there is a Denver turnover
- Timeout by your head coach - 7:13 left in the game - you've played half the quarter - you have had 3 turnovers/1 lost face-off/1 failed clear and a personal foul with a technical foul affecting the quarter - and 0 shots and about 1.5 minutes of offensive possesion time - now given what transpired could you have wanted a time-out back? Yes - but was the timeout decision defensible? IMO heck yeah as your team and your senior/grad student leaders were making the mistakes and playing like crap
- So if you have a transcript of what either PM of JC said during the time out I'd love to hear it. My best guess is they were reminded the defense was gassed and work for a good shot and maybe don't take one right away - I doubt it was hold the ball don't shoot and let the 80 run out. Now ultimately - The possession led to 1 shot and a shot clock violation - so did the time out prove effective? No
- Denver scores with 5 mintues left but the lone bright spot of the quarter is a face-off win and a goal from Peshko so up 3 with 4 minutes left
- Face-off violation leads to Denver's 2nd uncontested possesion of the quarter - goal by Denver's most known quantity lead down to 2 with 3:30
- In addition your senior consensus pre-season AA defenseman takes a cross checking foul - leading to a time-out JHU - this is the one where I wonder more than the 1st - yes your defense is tired and you want to be set in case you lose the face-off but.... that situation should be covered in practice
- So defense holds but a turnover attributed to a senior middie - 2nd of the quarter - gives Denver the ball back and they score with 44 seconds left
- Then there is the much discussed last 33 seconds or so involving an incredibly poor decision by your 5 year senior co-captain - a beyond horrible decision by your consensus pre season AA leading to a man down with 2 seconds left and a failure by a pre-season HM AA goalie to stop a close to 20 yard shot.
So in summary - aside from Peshko's goal (And Angelus' assist) your seniors and grad students contribute the following stats - 0 shots/4 turnovers/3 personal fouls/a technical foul that affected the quarter and a failed save when you needed it most

The head coach calls 2 timeouts during the quarter - very likely to get someone's head on straight. As far as comments on some of the more infamous plays of the ast 33 seconds:
- I don't often totally disagree with 16 but there was nothing about Smith's hit that was advisable or beneficial to the future because "We need him on that wall". It was incredibly ill advised given the situation so while you can argue till the moon turns green about whether it was a hit to the head and deserved 2 minutes non releasable it was late and it was unnecessary so it's 1 minute for sure. And then the last millisecond goal - you are likely coached in that type of last second situation to not let a crease feed occur - tackling the opponents - especially man down is probably not on the whiteboard - they reverted to what they were taught - they were tired - and they packed it in to not allow a quick stick. Have to depend on your goalie sometimes.

Now play me a tape of practices or the 4 stoppages in play (the 2 JHU time-outs/the Denver timeout and the between the 3rd quarter and 4th) where the coaches say to hold the ball - tighten up in the 4th - and not play and I'll agree with you - this one IMO is on the leaders of the team - they failed.

[MDlaxfan76]

Which is an opportunity to learn and grow.

[51percentcorn]

Absolutely - coaches too - they have to wear this one. Not trying to totally absolve them - but it would have been one thing if you had a young team making all those mistakes and then you think oh maybe they could have been better prepared - but this is a heavily veteran laden team where we were all thinking they were so prepared and ready to take care of business. The only 2 non senior/grad students that were mentioned on the stat sheet in the 4th quarter for JHU were Callahan on face-offs and the 1 shot by Hunter Chauvette.

I think this game this afternoon will lead to some thoughts on the coaching staff for me. No one is going to give Hopkins the Denver win if they beat Towson by a margin. They don't need to come out with their hair on fire - expend a ton of emotional energy - go up by 3/4 goals and then have Towson rally and you have no legs. They need focus not anger.

[HopFan16]

- I don't often totally disagree with 16 but there was nothing about Smith's hit that was advisable or beneficial to the future because "We need him on that wall". It was incredibly ill advised given the situation so while you can argue till the moon turns green about whether it was a hit to the head and deserved 2 minutes non releasable it was late and it was unnecessary so it's 1 minute for sure. And then the last millisecond goal - you are likely coached in that type of last second situation to not let a crease feed occur - tackling the opponents - especially man down is probably not on the whiteboard - they reverted to what they were taught - they were tired - and they packed it in to not allow a quick stick. Have to depend on your goalie sometimes.

I said nothing of the sort, that might have been someone else. What I said was Smith's decision to go was likely influenced by the fact that the Jays had already gotten away with a few similar hits. Even so, it was still a dumb hit to make, even if the 2-minute unreleasable was excessive. The hit was late but it was simply not to the head. Shoulder to the chest, doesn't leave his feet. Regardless, you've got to trust Martin there, he had the caused TO on the trail check and didn't need the aggressive slide help.

Also maybe it's poor sportsmanship or whatever but with 2-3 seconds left, "tackling the opponents" absolutely should be in the playbook. Not just in this game but in general. Herm Edwards was right about one thing — you play to win the game. Until they change the rules to make it so the game can't end on a penalty, you take the penalty along with your win.

[Ruffled_Feathers]

- In addition your senior consensus pre-season AA defenseman takes a cross checking foul - leading to a time-out JHU - this is the one where I wonder more than the 1st - yes your defense is tired and you want to be set in case you lose the face-off but.... that situation should be covered in practice

Assuming I'm remembering the situation correctly they called timeout here entirely due to disarray and not wanting to get hit with a subsequent delay of game foul most likely. There was a bunch of confusion and it was taking a while to get things set. Looked like we had substitutes going in and out guys going to the wrong parts of the field, too many men on the field. Some elements of the staff and players were not fully on the same page with I think some of them unaware it was a man down faceoff. PM was not remotely happy about having to use the timeout.

[51percentcorn]

Apologies if I mis-represented or mis-attributed a thought. Without combing thorugh pages - I thought - while clearly identifying Smith's foul as a mistake - you gave him a bit of leeway saying that aggressive mind-set is essentially what makes Smith Smith.

[51percentcorn]

Assuming I'm remembering the situation correctly they called timeout here entirely due to disarray and not wanting to get hit with a subsequent delay of game foul most likely. There was a bunch of confusion and it was taking a while to get things set. Looked like we had substitutes going in and out guys going to the wrong parts of the field, too many men on the field. Some elements of the staff and players were not fully on the same page with I think some of them unaware it was a man down faceoff. PM was not remotely happy about having to use the timeout.

Yes I am sure you are correct - I was going by the JHU stat sheet and not completely matching it up to the game as it appeared visually - so there was definitely a bit of antiseptic to the presentation e.g. I believe one - especially if a black and blue fan - of McDermott's turnovers could have been rightly called a foul. I was unsure of MIlliman's comments about using a timeout for not getting to spots was an overall comment of play on the first part of the quarter or the disarray after the Denver goal.

[rolldodge]

I sure hope the Blue Jay players and staff don't take a cue from their fans -- still talking about Saturday's game when the next opponent is in four hours.

[HopFan16]

I sure hope the Blue Jay players and staff don't take a queue from their fans -- still talking about Saturday's game when the next opponent is in four hours.

Don't worry, we'll still be talking about it even after the Towson game

[BlueJaySince1947]

Just went to ESPNU and that intolerable gasbag Q the K is back again...gag.

[flalax22]

Just went to ESPNU and that intolerable gasbag Q the K is back again...gag.

“intolerable gasbag”

I’m not arguing that one

[primitiveskills]

Still no Aviles or Ince

[primitiveskills]

Nevermind. There's Aviles.

[HopFan16]

This offense is much harder to defend when Angelus is a threat to take it to the rack himself, which he has been these first two games. Good stuff.

[primitiveskills]

This offense is much harder to defend when Angelus is a threat to take it to the rack himself, which he has been these first two games. Good stuff.

So much more decisive this year. He looks great.

[BlueJaySince1947]

Q the K mindless babbling during the last five minutes of the quarter...shut up you idiot !!!

[primitiveskills]

Towson's entire offense is the two quick middies (who are really good). The entire attack are fish. We should really be able to shut them down.