Spring Scrimmages

[StevieUAlum]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

[ODACtionEmpire]

With both W&L and Lynchburg playing tomorrow, it will definitely be a day to show ODAC supremacy over all conferences and divisions. Name a more complete conference… I'll wait.

Do 2 good teams make a complete conference? If 2 teams is the measuring stick, CLC, Liberty, Centennial, Landmark and NESCAC are better.

I don’t think you really follow college lacrosse if you believe that could be factual. The ODAC is by far thee most dominant conference top to bottom, there are 5 times easily in top 20 by the end and 3 that are on the cusp. Read up bud.

I love the ODAC. But 5 teams in the top 20? Did some new teams join the ODAC this year?

I agree with LAJ, its daydreaming to say the ODAC is the top conference in D3, daydreaming. The NESCAC and Centennial, at the very least, are much better than the ODAC. ODAC has way too many weak teams at the bottom, to overcome any good teams at the top.

valaxfan

valaxfan, I've appreciated your commentary in these forums for some time. But I must politely disagree.

Shenandoah would beat Middlebury/Tufts/Wesleyan by 3-4 goals 9 times out of 10. That's a middle of the ODAC team vs middle of the NESCAC.

Guilford gladly scares off the likes of OWU, Denison, or any other NCAC. I haven't seen any of those teams even try to schedule the Quakers.

Last but not least, has Gettysburg ever beaten Randolph? I'll tell you who has, and their mascot aint the Bullets...

ODAC supremacy confirmed

[laxdad1434]

With both W&L and Lynchburg playing tomorrow, it will definitely be a day to show ODAC supremacy over all conferences and divisions. Name a more complete conference… I'll wait.

Do 2 good teams make a complete conference? If 2 teams is the measuring stick, CLC, Liberty, Centennial, Landmark and NESCAC are better.

I don’t think you really follow college lacrosse if you believe that could be factual. The ODAC is by far thee most dominant conference top to bottom, there are 5 times easily in top 20 by the end and 3 that are on the cusp. Read up bud.

I love the ODAC. But 5 teams in the top 20? Did some new teams join the ODAC this year?

I agree with LAJ, its daydreaming to say the ODAC is the top conference in D3, daydreaming. The NESCAC and Centennial, at the very least, are much better than the ODAC. ODAC has way too many weak teams at the bottom, to overcome any good teams at the top.

valaxfan

valaxfan, I've appreciated your commentary in these forums for some time. But I must politely disagree.

Shenandoah would beat Middlebury/Tufts/Wesleyan by 3-4 goals 9 times out of 10. That's a middle of the ODAC team vs middle of the NESCAC.

Guilford gladly scares off the likes of OWU, Denison, or any other NCAC. I haven't seen any of those teams even try to schedule the Quakers.

Last but not least, has Gettysburg ever beaten Randolph? I'll tell you who has, and their mascot aint the Bullets...

ODAC supremacy confirmed

Dear sir,
Please seek help. Delusional thoughts can lead to more serious issues. I wish you well.

[ChopMan23]

With both W&L and Lynchburg playing tomorrow, it will definitely be a day to show ODAC supremacy over all conferences and divisions. Name a more complete conference… I'll wait.

Do 2 good teams make a complete conference? If 2 teams is the measuring stick, CLC, Liberty, Centennial, Landmark and NESCAC are better.

I don’t think you really follow college lacrosse if you believe that could be factual. The ODAC is by far thee most dominant conference top to bottom, there are 5 times easily in top 20 by the end and 3 that are on the cusp. Read up bud.

I love the ODAC. But 5 teams in the top 20? Did some new teams join the ODAC this year?

I agree with LAJ, its daydreaming to say the ODAC is the top conference in D3, daydreaming. The NESCAC and Centennial, at the very least, are much better than the ODAC. ODAC has way too many weak teams at the bottom, to overcome any good teams at the top.

valaxfan

valaxfan, I've appreciated your commentary in these forums for some time. But I must politely disagree.

Shenandoah would beat Middlebury/Tufts/Wesleyan by 3-4 goals 9 times out of 10. That's a middle of the ODAC team vs middle of the NESCAC.

Guilford gladly scares off the likes of OWU, Denison, or any other NCAC. I haven't seen any of those teams even try to schedule the Quakers.

Last but not least, has Gettysburg ever beaten Randolph? I'll tell you who has, and their mascot aint the Bullets...

ODAC supremacy confirmed

Dear sir,
Please seek help. Delusional thoughts can lead to more serious issues. I wish you well.

ODAC is only good for having the most amount of trolls on this forum

[valaxfan]

With both W&L and Lynchburg playing tomorrow, it will definitely be a day to show ODAC supremacy over all conferences and divisions. Name a more complete conference… I'll wait.

Do 2 good teams make a complete conference? If 2 teams is the measuring stick, CLC, Liberty, Centennial, Landmark and NESCAC are better.

I don’t think you really follow college lacrosse if you believe that could be factual. The ODAC is by far thee most dominant conference top to bottom, there are 5 times easily in top 20 by the end and 3 that are on the cusp. Read up bud.

I love the ODAC. But 5 teams in the top 20? Did some new teams join the ODAC this year?

I agree with LAJ, its daydreaming to say the ODAC is the top conference in D3, daydreaming. The NESCAC and Centennial, at the very least, are much better than the ODAC. ODAC has way too many weak teams at the bottom, to overcome any good teams at the top.

valaxfan

valaxfan, I've appreciated your commentary in these forums for some time. But I must politely disagree.

Shenandoah would beat Middlebury/Tufts/Wesleyan by 3-4 goals 9 times out of 10. That's a middle of the ODAC team vs middle of the NESCAC.

Guilford gladly scares off the likes of OWU, Denison, or any other NCAC. I haven't seen any of those teams even try to schedule the Quakers.

Last but not least, has Gettysburg ever beaten Randolph? I'll tell you who has, and their mascot aint the Bullets...

ODAC supremacy confirmed

OK, now I understand what you are doing. Go for it !!!

valaxfan

[Asgot]

I heard that after a slow start, Stevens played RPI to 15-11 up at RPI. This could be significant as Stevens has to replace a lot from last year and righting the ship and keeping it close against a stacked RPI could bode well for them.

[BallBag]

I heard that after a slow start, Stevens played RPI to 15-11 up at RPI. This could be significant as Stevens has to replace a lot from last year and righting the ship and keeping it close against a stacked RPI could bode well for them.

It wasn't even close...The score does not reflect the actual reality of the game/scrimmage.

[laxinaround23]

I heard that after a slow start, Stevens played RPI to 15-11 up at RPI. This could be significant as Stevens has to replace a lot from last year and righting the ship and keeping it close against a stacked RPI could bode well for them.

It wasn't even close...The score does not reflect the actual reality of the game/scrimmage.

Elaborate, Mr. Bag

[Asgot]

I heard that after a slow start, Stevens played RPI to 15-11 up at RPI. This could be significant as Stevens has to replace a lot from last year and righting the ship and keeping it close against a stacked RPI could bode well for them.

It wasn't even close...The score does not reflect the actual reality of the game/scrimmage.

that is possible, as I heard that 2nd hand from a Stevens parent. He did say that it was 8-1 at one point but that Stevens was able to get some things fixed and keep it close after a bad start. also heard the RPI's fogo was very good and their goalie was the real deal.

[D2fan]

Was told RIT beat Mercyhurst and Canisius rather convincingly.

Gaston and Pilcher scored in bunches.

[MVPiccoli]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to piss you off. Generally interested in your take.

[BallBag]

I heard that after a slow start, Stevens played RPI to 15-11 up at RPI. This could be significant as Stevens has to replace a lot from last year and righting the ship and keeping it close against a stacked RPI could bode well for them.

It wasn't even close...The score does not reflect the actual reality of the game/scrimmage.

Elaborate, Mr. Bag

Ha! Thanks for saying, "Mr." Elaborate? Well, let's just say that Stevens is of course well-respected and is very well coached. Historically they are always disciplined and a tough team that is always in the mix. I did not mean to disrespect the players, coaches and/or parents because Stevens is legit. My point was that this particular year, RPI had a clear advantage on them. RPI took it to them early and if the game was played like a "real" game, RPI could have won convincingly. RPI's starting All-American goalie did not even play so the above praise of the RPI goalie was actually their new freshman goalie. We all know that both teams substitute in early scrimmages like this but starters vs. starters, their was a clear advantage. Again, Stevens is well coached and a very good team too.

Hope this was elaborate enough, Mr. laxinaround??

[StevieUAlum]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to tick you off. Generally interested in your take.

Definitely can contribute the drop off to over recruiting to a certain degree. The former president of school was a huge fan of Cantabene's and was very hands on with the team. He went as far as being there motivational speak for the 2013 championship run. The new President is most definitely more of an academic, and less focused on growing the athletic department, however they did just open the East Campus which is strictly athletic facilities, long time coming for the school.

Overall I believe the message may have gone stale, Cantabene still gets highly sought after recruits but what really lacks is the amount of D1 and JUCO transfers. Some serious contributions came from kids who transferred in attributed to that success from 08'-18.'

Stevenson made a killing grabbing numerous AA caliber players from D1 schools and JUCOs like Nassau, Onondaga and Essex. Times seemed to have changed unfortunately.

[SKUD]

Heard 2nd hand that RPI/Babson was pretty even and very long.

[Laxattackjack]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to tick you off. Generally interested in your take.

I don’t know the guy either, except for watching him on the sidelines. He is a complainer and cherps at players of the opposing team. Bush league if you ask me.

My limited interaction with some sideline parents give me the impression they love his attitude since they seemed to act the same way as the coach. .

To his credit, the Mustang classic is the best event in all college lacrosse (besides the brackets)

[MVPiccoli]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to tick you off. Generally interested in your take.

Definitely can contribute the drop off to over recruiting to a certain degree. The former president of school was a huge fan of Cantabene's and was very hands on with the team. He went as far as being there motivational speak for the 2013 championship run. The new President is most definitely more of an academic, and less focused on growing the athletic department, however they did just open the East Campus which is strictly athletic facilities, long time coming for the school.

Overall I believe the message may have gone stale, Cantabene still gets highly sought after recruits but what really lacks is the amount of D1 and JUCO transfers. Some serious contributions came from kids who transferred in attributed to that success from 08'-18.'

Stevenson made a killing grabbing numerous AA caliber players from D1 schools and JUCOs like Nassau, Onondaga and Essex. Times seemed to have changed unfortunately.

He had such gravitas when he started his mission. The faceoff GOAT taking on the challenge of building (then) VJC into something that could slay the Gulls. I wonder if the 'ship was too satisfying for him personally. Maybe refocused on life and family. Nothing wrong with that. No love lost between our programs. So again, grain of salt with how I feel about the guy. Appreciate you taking that in stride and sharing your thoughts.

[ReturnOfTheWAC]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to tick you off. Generally interested in your take.

Definitely can contribute the drop off to over recruiting to a certain degree. The former president of school was a huge fan of Cantabene's and was very hands on with the team. He went as far as being there motivational speak for the 2013 championship run. The new President is most definitely more of an academic, and less focused on growing the athletic department, however they did just open the East Campus which is strictly athletic facilities, long time coming for the school.

Overall I believe the message may have gone stale, Cantabene still gets highly sought after recruits but what really lacks is the amount of D1 and JUCO transfers. Some serious contributions came from kids who transferred in attributed to that success from 08'-18.'

Stevenson made a killing grabbing numerous AA caliber players from D1 schools and JUCOs like Nassau, Onondaga and Essex. Times seemed to have changed unfortunately.

He had such gravitas when he started his mission. The faceoff GOAT taking on the challenge of building (then) VJC into something that could slay the Gulls. I wonder if the 'ship was too satisfying for him personally. Maybe refocused on life and family. Nothing wrong with that. No love lost between our programs. So again, grain of salt with how I feel about the guy. Appreciate you taking that in stride and sharing your thoughts.

Stevenson raised admissions standards. Harder to get some of those "questionable academics" into the University and even harder to package them in the ever competive admissions environment. Also JUCO has died in the last 5-7 years. Its now just Hartford and then everyone else(until someone takes the reigns). Those kids are being looked everyone and unlike the JUCO of the past(when students went to JUCO to get their grades up) now those student athletes are also looking for free college. Thats why you see D2 doing so well in JUCO transfers, they are throwing money at those kids hand over fist. Stevenson simply cant offer that.Same with the transfer portal, I would estimate any D1 portal entry gets atleast 20 good programs reaching out to them within 2 hours of being in there. Finally the biggest thing that has hurt Stevenson is..... The rise of York. Stevenson can no longer sell a garenteed ticket to the NCAA Tournament.Pre York, I dont believe Stevie had ever lost a MAC game. Thats probably the biggest thing hurting the program as it stands

[StevieUAlum]

Well it might be another tough year in Owings Mills for my boys. Hearing they got beat in a scrimmage by St. Mary's yesterday.

Might only be a scrimmage but I can remember the days of yesteryear when Stevenson was a Top 10 team year and year out. Sad alumnus over here

At least you have the hope that things could improve over time. What do you attribute the drop off to? What's the opinion of Cantabene in your world? I don't have a high one, but in fairness, I don't personally know him. He does a lot that's good for the game (i.e. Mustang Classic), but his sideline antics, external communications, and general (perceived) self centered attitude, are turn offs for me. Those are dated experiences though, he might have matured a bit.

Outside in, I feel like he created a reputation amongst the lax community of over recruiting numbers wise, simply to fill a quota for the school, thus creating a cycle of disenfranchised families that retell the same story. That caught up to him, as it's a counter recruiting tactic call it out. IDK. Not looking to tick you off. Generally interested in your take.

Definitely can contribute the drop off to over recruiting to a certain degree. The former president of school was a huge fan of Cantabene's and was very hands on with the team. He went as far as being there motivational speak for the 2013 championship run. The new President is most definitely more of an academic, and less focused on growing the athletic department, however they did just open the East Campus which is strictly athletic facilities, long time coming for the school.

Overall I believe the message may have gone stale, Cantabene still gets highly sought after recruits but what really lacks is the amount of D1 and JUCO transfers. Some serious contributions came from kids who transferred in attributed to that success from 08'-18.'

Stevenson made a killing grabbing numerous AA caliber players from D1 schools and JUCOs like Nassau, Onondaga and Essex. Times seemed to have changed unfortunately.

He had such gravitas when he started his mission. The faceoff GOAT taking on the challenge of building (then) VJC into something that could slay the Gulls. I wonder if the 'ship was too satisfying for him personally. Maybe refocused on life and family. Nothing wrong with that. No love lost between our programs. So again, grain of salt with how I feel about the guy. Appreciate you taking that in stride and sharing your thoughts.

Stevenson raised admissions standards. Harder to get some of those "questionable academics" into the University and even harder to package them in the ever competive admissions environment. Also JUCO has died in the last 5-7 years. Its now just Hartford and then everyone else(until someone takes the reigns). Those kids are being looked everyone and unlike the JUCO of the past(when students went to JUCO to get their grades up) now those student athletes are also looking for free college. Thats why you see D2 doing so well in JUCO transfers, they are throwing money at those kids hand over fist. Stevenson simply cant offer that.Same with the transfer portal, I would estimate any D1 portal entry gets atleast 20 good programs reaching out to them within 2 hours of being in there. Finally the biggest thing that has hurt Stevenson is..... The rise of York. Stevenson can no longer sell a garenteed ticket to the NCAA Tournament.Pre York, I dont believe Stevie had ever lost a MAC game. Thats probably the biggest thing hurting the program as it stands

Id agree with this take. York has handled Stevie from about 18' up until now. Pre York entering the MAC, Stevie treated them as their little brother up North.

Childs is hands down one of the best coaches in D3 currently, the guys play hard for him and he's able to get some serious talent up there.

Will be interesting to see how York rebounds this year with losses to graduation, portal, etc.

[YCOLaxFanSU]

When Stevenson lost in the quarterfinal's to Washington College the year after winning the National Championship I thought that was odd. The next year they hosted Salisbury in the 2nd round after Salisbury had spent hours on a bus stuck in traffic on the Bay Bridge. If I remember correctly the Gulls finally got off the bus around 9 for a 10 pm start and proceeded to walk all over Stevenson that night 12-4.

There are a number of reasons why Stevenson may have dropped off but at the time I felt that was a soul crushing moment for the Stevenson program.

That said, I'm not going to count them out until they start to lose to teams in their conference other than York.

[D2LaxMan44!]

With both W&L and Lynchburg playing tomorrow, it will definitely be a day to show ODAC supremacy over all conferences and divisions. Name a more complete conference… I'll wait.

Do 2 good teams make a complete conference? If 2 teams is the measuring stick, CLC, Liberty, Centennial, Landmark and NESCAC are better.

I don’t think you really follow college lacrosse if you believe that could be factual. The ODAC is by far thee most dominant conference top to bottom, there are 5 times easily in top 20 by the end and 3 that are on the cusp. Read up bud.

I love the ODAC. But 5 teams in the top 20? Did some new teams join the ODAC this year?

I agree with LAJ, its daydreaming to say the ODAC is the top conference in D3, daydreaming. The NESCAC and Centennial, at the very least, are much better than the ODAC. ODAC has way too many weak teams at the bottom, to overcome any good teams at the top.

valaxfan

valaxfan, I've appreciated your commentary in these forums for some time. But I must politely disagree.

Shenandoah would beat Middlebury/Tufts/Wesleyan by 3-4 goals 9 times out of 10. That's a middle of the ODAC team vs middle of the NESCAC.

Guilford gladly scares off the likes of OWU, Denison, or any other NCAC. I haven't seen any of those teams even try to schedule the Quakers.

Last but not least, has Gettysburg ever beaten Randolph? I'll tell you who has, and their mascot aint the Bullets...

ODAC supremacy confirmed

Not sure what lacrosse your watching maybe your talking a different sport? But in lacrosse Shenandoah has barely gotten over 500 and made their conference playoffs the last 5 seasons. And you think they would beat a NESCAC school by 3-4 goals? Tufts has competed for a natty almost every year the last 10 years. Shenandoah doesn’t even know what the NCAA tournament is like.

Those three NESCAC schools aren’t middle of the pack in the country let alone their conference, they are all usually top 20 teams and each have made runs or won a title in the last 5 years. Legit no comparison between them. NESCAC every year has 3-5 teams in the top 20. Tufts, Middlebury, Amherst, Wesleyan, Williams, Bowdoin.