The strongest conference in D3

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The strongest conference in D3

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I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
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Nescac has historically been strongest conference and still is today, I feel like in 2022 liberty took the cake though
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aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
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laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
“Beat them up” is very strong, and considering the talent on HSC, Roanoke, and RMC and the young up and coming teams like Bridgewater and Shenandoah in the ODAC it’s a fair statement to say ODAC is very relevant, will be for a long time, and hasn’t fallen off one bit. Again, watch some games, they are all posted on their websites and on demand exists.
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laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
Kean and MSU are not waxing HSC and would maybe beat RMC on a good day
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ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:25 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
Kean and MSU are not waxing HSC and would maybe beat RMC on a good day
Wax on, Wax off....
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TurfToeVictim wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:17 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
“Beat them up” is very strong, and considering the talent on HSC, Roanoke, and RMC and the young up and coming teams like Bridgewater and Shenandoah in the ODAC it’s a fair statement to say ODAC is very relevant, will be for a long time, and hasn’t fallen off one bit. Again, watch some games, they are all posted on their websites and on demand exists.
WM wins against ODAC teams:
RM 20-14
Shan 14-9
BWater 12-9

Lost to Roanoke 13-11

I was responding to an over enthusiastic fan the stated it's the best conference top to bottom. Clearly that's false.
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I think the C2C is very strong. Mary washington who w\is ranked number 6 in the C2C just beat ODAC HSC 22-11.
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laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:47 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:25 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
aroundtheoutside wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm I've seen some good debate on this bubbling up a few places and thought it'd be fun to start its own thread. Is NESCAC the best conference pound for pound, or has Liberty taken that throne? ODAC has a storied history but is it a shadow of its former self? How do you rank a conference like C2C that has a couple whales and then a big drop off?
That big drop off would wax every team in ODAC excluding the top 2. Mary Washington beat them up last year, lost to Roanoke by 2.
Kean and MSU are not waxing HSC and would maybe beat RMC on a good day
Wax on, Wax off....
And, I heard MW beat up on HSC pretty good today. MW is picked to be bottom of the CLC.
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NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
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ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
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ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC
+1
First of all, ya better check your tone. I dont think you know who you're talking to. I'm Leonard Washington...I don't get butt naked for nobody!!
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laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:13 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
CLC
They’re behind ODAC. Until one of the bottom feeders takes out SU/CNU, I can’t see putting them above the ODAC. HSC/Noke have way better chances at winning ODAC compared to Stockton/msu/kean/MW chances of winning the CLC.
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ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:09 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:13 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
CLC
They’re behind ODAC. Until one of the bottom feeders takes out SU/CNU, I can’t see putting them above the ODAC. HSC/Noke have way better chances at winning ODAC compared to Stockton/msu/kean/MW chances of winning the CLC.
Bottom feeders :P I agree about not winning the CLC, but Kean, MSU, MW, Stockton have a better chance of winning ODAC than HSC/Noke. Nobody is beating SU/CNU, except if they beat each other. Most conferences are 2 team top heavy.

It would be interesting if anybody has ever compiled the data of OOC records.
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SixBySix wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:11 pm Screenshot 2023-12-17 020049.png
So, on paper, the CC 7th best is better than the CLC 3rd best.
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SixBySix wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:11 pm Screenshot 2023-12-17 020049.png
The MAC C lost their third to bottom team over to MAC F. With that, their average jumps into the 85’s and they jump the SUNYAC.

But this is the rankings from last year, and I feel that both Eastern and Messiah will see bumps in 2024 that could propel the MAC C even further up, potentially over the NEWMAC pending their own team’s improvements as well of course.
MAC - The SEC of DIII lacrosse.
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laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:19 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:09 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:13 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
CLC
They’re behind ODAC. Until one of the bottom feeders takes out SU/CNU, I can’t see putting them above the ODAC. HSC/Noke have way better chances at winning ODAC compared to Stockton/msu/kean/MW chances of winning the CLC.
Bottom feeders :P I agree about not winning the CLC, but Kean, MSU, MW, Stockton have a better chance of winning ODAC than HSC/Noke. Nobody is beating SU/CNU, except if they beat each other. Most conferences are 2 team top heavy.

It would be interesting if anybody has ever compiled the data of OOC records.
I have watched these teams play several times. HSC and Roanoke are a few steps above kean and Stockton.
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ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:09 pm
laxdad1434 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:13 pm
ChopMan23 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:54 pm NESCAC, Liberty, CC right behind, nothing else comes close
CLC
They’re behind ODAC. Until one of the bottom feeders takes out SU/CNU, I can’t see putting them above the ODAC. HSC/Noke have way better chances at winning ODAC compared to Stockton/msu/kean/MW chances of winning the CLC.

MW killed HSC yesterday 22-11 and your saying none of the clc teams can win the odac when HSC has a chance
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If the ODAC was in the North it would never be a 3 big league.
And would even see years as a single-bid league.
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