I agree with you. This incoming round wasn't defeated by the high tech multi layered state of the art Aegis destroyer defense system. It made it all the way to 1 mile of hitting a terrorist home run. It took the last line of defense to shoot it out of the sky while danger close to its intended target. Is that disconcerting to some of you folks out there?? It sure as hell should be.Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:43 amThis is what one would expect from a multi-layered defense system.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:23 amThat Phalanx gun is the weapon system that just the other day shot down an anti ship missile that was missed by that high tech state of the art multi layered defense system. Uber short range yet highly effective. CIWS sure is due some credit.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:51 amForce protection is paramount. If you don't think the US Navy has simulated your threat you're likely mistaken. What you fail to mention is that US Navy ships have multiple layered protection from other ships with AEGIS capability plus overhead assets from both carrier-based and USAF land-based assets. Report on CBS Evening News last night overview of Naval Operations Center in Bahrain is instructive as to their capabilities.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:07 amMy theory OS is when one of our destroyers is positioned correctly it will not be one missile being fired. I believe they will launch many missiles and drones in a coordinated attempt to overwhelm the Aegis defense systems. 40 or 50 threats all approaching at the same time from different directions and different trajectories would be real test for defense radar. I don't know how many incoming threats can realistically be engaged simultaneously. I also don't know if the bad actors have the ability to launch such an attack. I wouldn't underestimate their capabilities. That would be a huge feather in their caps if they could take out an Aegis destroyer. They only have to get lucky once. FTR what about that Phalanx guns? What effective range can they engage targets?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 pmYep. When you look at the number of attacks on US forces ashore & ships in the ME, it's remarkable that only 1 got through sufficiently to cause 3 deaths, & that due to confusion with a returning US drone. Overall, if accurate, that speaks well for our overall force protection measures & the effectiveness of our ISR & air defenses. I'm particularly impressed with the performance of the Navy's Aegis system compared to what we lived with in my day trying to counter the Soviet anti-ship cruise missile threat. We would have expected hits & losses by this point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 amI said this in another thread. We have to be on point 100% of the time every damn day. The bad actors only have to get lucky once. Except was it luck or did they exploit a weakness our people didn't see?Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:29 am Actually, what I'd want to know is how exactly this drone particular attack evaded air defense of the facility and then include any locations where drones are located or manufactured in any retaliatory strike regardless of whether they are inside Iran or not.
Force protection is job #1 for our military in this region. Was this attack a lucky hit or something bigger than that. If bigger, then that capability must be targeting in any response.
This is strictly a comment on the effectiveness of our air defense systems & their integration into our force protection measures.
It is not a comment on the effectiveness of our strategy of deterrence in the ME against Iran & proxies...which has failed.
https://cnreurafcent.cnic.navy.mil/Inst ... A-Bahrain/
That said, just got a lesson in force protection in Jordan on a smaller scale where a confluence of actions adversely affected air defense operations and a drone got through said defense. Not technically a bad guy escalation per se' but military fatalities are escalatory from our POV
Phalanx is uber-short range last line of defense
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Apparently, the Navy feels like they have it covered. In addition, to their own defense assets, there are various air and other surveillancecradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:57 amI agree with you. This incoming round wasn't defeated by the high tech multi layered state of the art Aegis destroyer defense system. It made it all the way to 1 mile of hitting a terrorist home run. It took the last line of defense to shoot it out of the sky while danger close to its intended target. Is that disconcerting to some of you folks out there?? It sure as hell should be.Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:43 amThis is what one would expect from a multi-layered defense system.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:23 amThat Phalanx gun is the weapon system that just the other day shot down an anti ship missile that was missed by that high tech state of the art multi layered defense system. Uber short range yet highly effective. CIWS sure is due some credit.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:51 amForce protection is paramount. If you don't think the US Navy has simulated your threat you're likely mistaken. What you fail to mention is that US Navy ships have multiple layered protection from other ships with AEGIS capability plus overhead assets from both carrier-based and USAF land-based assets. Report on CBS Evening News last night overview of Naval Operations Center in Bahrain is instructive as to their capabilities.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:07 amMy theory OS is when one of our destroyers is positioned correctly it will not be one missile being fired. I believe they will launch many missiles and drones in a coordinated attempt to overwhelm the Aegis defense systems. 40 or 50 threats all approaching at the same time from different directions and different trajectories would be real test for defense radar. I don't know how many incoming threats can realistically be engaged simultaneously. I also don't know if the bad actors have the ability to launch such an attack. I wouldn't underestimate their capabilities. That would be a huge feather in their caps if they could take out an Aegis destroyer. They only have to get lucky once. FTR what about that Phalanx guns? What effective range can they engage targets?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 pmYep. When you look at the number of attacks on US forces ashore & ships in the ME, it's remarkable that only 1 got through sufficiently to cause 3 deaths, & that due to confusion with a returning US drone. Overall, if accurate, that speaks well for our overall force protection measures & the effectiveness of our ISR & air defenses. I'm particularly impressed with the performance of the Navy's Aegis system compared to what we lived with in my day trying to counter the Soviet anti-ship cruise missile threat. We would have expected hits & losses by this point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 amI said this in another thread. We have to be on point 100% of the time every damn day. The bad actors only have to get lucky once. Except was it luck or did they exploit a weakness our people didn't see?Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:29 am Actually, what I'd want to know is how exactly this drone particular attack evaded air defense of the facility and then include any locations where drones are located or manufactured in any retaliatory strike regardless of whether they are inside Iran or not.
Force protection is job #1 for our military in this region. Was this attack a lucky hit or something bigger than that. If bigger, then that capability must be targeting in any response.
This is strictly a comment on the effectiveness of our air defense systems & their integration into our force protection measures.
It is not a comment on the effectiveness of our strategy of deterrence in the ME against Iran & proxies...which has failed.
https://cnreurafcent.cnic.navy.mil/Inst ... A-Bahrain/
That said, just got a lesson in force protection in Jordan on a smaller scale where a confluence of actions adversely affected air defense operations and a drone got through said defense. Not technically a bad guy escalation per se' but military fatalities are escalatory from our POV
Phalanx is uber-short range last line of defense
https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Fil ... stem-ciws/
assets that also figure into the force protection umbrella.
Just overnight, airstrikes by F/A-18 “Super Hornets” from USS Eisenhower against a Houthi Drone Ground Control Station as well as 10 One-Way “Suicide” Drones that were preparing to be launched at Commercial Shipping and U.S. Naval Vessels in the Region. All targets were destroyed.
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Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:39 amSo when you have to resort to the last line of defense, that being the CIWS then I have to ask why? This missile was shot out of the sky by the Phalanx gun approximately 1 mile from the destroyer. How did the missile ever get that close?? Apparently some of the Navy people probably tinkled in their pants.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:57 amApparently, the Navy feels like they have it covered. In addition, to their own defense assets, there are various air and other surveillanceKismet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:43 amI agree with you. This incoming round wasn't defeated by the high tech multi layered state of the art Aegis destroyer defense system. It made it all the way to 1 mile of hitting a terrorist home run. It took the last line of defense to shoot it out of the sky while danger close to its intended target. Is that disconcerting to some of you folks out there?? It sure as hell should be.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:23 amThis is what one would expect from a multi-layered defense system.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:51 amThat Phalanx gun is the weapon system that just the other day shot down an anti ship missile that was missed by that high tech state of the art multi layered defense system. Uber short range yet highly effective. CIWS sure is due some credit.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:07 amMy theory OS is when one of our destroyers is positioned correctly it will not be one missile being fired. I believe they will launch many missiles and drones in a coordinated attempt to overwhelm the Aegis defense systems. 40 or 50 threats all approaching at the same time from different directions and different trajectories would be real test for defense radar. I don't know how many incoming threats can realistically be engaged simultaneously. I also don't know if the bad actors have the ability to launch such an attack. I wouldn't underestimate their capabilities. That would be a huge feather in their caps if they could take out an Aegis destroyer. They only have to get lucky once. FTR what about that Phalanx guns? What effective range can they engage targets?old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 pmYep. When you look at the number of attacks on US forces ashore & ships in the ME, it's remarkable that only 1 got through sufficiently to cause 3 deaths, & that due to confusion with a returning US drone. Overall, if accurate, that speaks well for our overall force protection measures & the effectiveness of our ISR & air defenses. I'm particularly impressed with the performance of the Navy's Aegis system compared to what we lived with in my day trying to counter the Soviet anti-ship cruise missile threat. We would have expected hits & losses by this point.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:42 amI said this in another thread. We have to be on point 100% of the time every damn day. The bad actors only have to get lucky once. Except was it luck or did they exploit a weakness our people didn't see?Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:29 am Actually, what I'd want to know is how exactly this drone particular attack evaded air defense of the facility and then include any locations where drones are located or manufactured in any retaliatory strike regardless of whether they are inside Iran or not.
Force protection is job #1 for our military in this region. Was this attack a lucky hit or something bigger than that. If bigger, then that capability must be targeting in any response.
This is strictly a comment on the effectiveness of our air defense systems & their integration into our force protection measures.
It is not a comment on the effectiveness of our strategy of deterrence in the ME against Iran & proxies...which has failed.
Force protection is paramount. If you don't think the US Navy has simulated your threat you're likely mistaken. What you fail to mention is that US Navy ships have multiple layered protection from other ships with AEGIS capability plus overhead assets from both carrier-based and USAF land-based assets. Report on CBS Evening News last night overview of Naval Operations Center in Bahrain is instructive as to their capabilities.
https://cnreurafcent.cnic.navy.mil/Inst ... A-Bahrain/
That said, just got a lesson in force protection in Jordan on a smaller scale where a confluence of actions adversely affected air defense operations and a drone got through said defense. Not technically a bad guy escalation per se' but military fatalities are escalatory from our POV
Phalanx is uber-short range last line of defense
https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Fil ... stem-ciws/
assets that also figure into the force protection umbrella.
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In 2007, Sen. Biden put the President on notice that he would impeach him for going to war with Iran without Congressional approval.
Consider this your notice
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Rep. Massie Hints at Impeachment if Biden Starts a War With Iran
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The Kentucky congressman posted a video from 2007 of then-Senator Biden threatening George W. Bush with impeachment if he started war with Iran
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) on Wednesday appeared to threaten to pursue the impeachment of President Biden if he started a war with Iran.
Massie posted a video from 2007 on X of then-Senator Biden threatening President George W. Bush with impeachment if he went to war with Iran without congressional approval.
“I made it clear to the president that if he takes this nation to war in Iran without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him,” Biden said in the video.
In his post, Massie wrote: “In 2007, Sen. Biden put the President on notice that he would impeach him for going to war with Iran without Congressional approval. Consider this your notice [President Biden].”
Massie’s post came amid reports that President Biden is planning to launch a weeks-long bombing campaign that could target Iranian assets outside of Iran in response to the drone attack in Jordan that killed three US troops. The Pentagon has admitted it has no evidence Iran was involved in the drone attack beyond its arming of the Shia militias the US believes was responsible.
Another comment Biden made during the Trump administration related to Iran has surfaced amid the tensions.
“Let’s be clear: Donald Trump does not have the authority to take us into war with Iran without Congressional approval. A president should never take this nation to war without the informed consent of the American people,” he tweeted on January 6, 2020, a few days after Trump killed Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani by drone strike in Baghdad.
Biden has come under criticism from some members of Congress for launching strikes against the Houthis in Yemen without congressional approval, but he has continued to bomb the country.
Touche' and amen.
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In 2007, Sen. Biden put the President on notice that he would impeach him for going to war with Iran without Congressional approval.
Consider this your notice
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Rep. Massie Hints at Impeachment if Biden Starts a War With Iran
https://news.antiwar.com/2024/01/31/rep ... with-iran/
The Kentucky congressman posted a video from 2007 of then-Senator Biden threatening George W. Bush with impeachment if he started war with Iran
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) on Wednesday appeared to threaten to pursue the impeachment of President Biden if he started a war with Iran.
Massie posted a video from 2007 on X of then-Senator Biden threatening President George W. Bush with impeachment if he went to war with Iran without congressional approval.
“I made it clear to the president that if he takes this nation to war in Iran without congressional approval, I will make it my business to impeach him,” Biden said in the video.
In his post, Massie wrote: “In 2007, Sen. Biden put the President on notice that he would impeach him for going to war with Iran without Congressional approval. Consider this your notice [President Biden].”
Massie’s post came amid reports that President Biden is planning to launch a weeks-long bombing campaign that could target Iranian assets outside of Iran in response to the drone attack in Jordan that killed three US troops. The Pentagon has admitted it has no evidence Iran was involved in the drone attack beyond its arming of the Shia militias the US believes was responsible.
Another comment Biden made during the Trump administration related to Iran has surfaced amid the tensions.
“Let’s be clear: Donald Trump does not have the authority to take us into war with Iran without Congressional approval. A president should never take this nation to war without the informed consent of the American people,” he tweeted on January 6, 2020, a few days after Trump killed Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani by drone strike in Baghdad.
Biden has come under criticism from some members of Congress for launching strikes against the Houthis in Yemen without congressional approval, but he has continued to bomb the country.
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Yep. That one was too close for comfort. Gravely & Carney are going to need to reload soon, if this keeps up. Good data point for CIWS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:01 am So when you have to resort to the last line of defense, that being the CIWS then I have to ask why? This missile was shot out of the sky by the Phalanx gun approximately 1 mile from the destroyer. How did the missile ever get that close?? Apparently some of the Navy people probably tinkled in their pants.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/politics ... index.html
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What good is a last line of defense if you don't use it on occasion? IMO it validates the USN concept of multi-layered defense and it likely provided some data as to why they did not detect the threat sooner. That said it's never 100% as was seen in the Jordanian base attack.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:38 pmYep. That one was too close for comfort. Gravely & Carney are going to need to reload soon, if this keeps up. Good data point for CIWS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:01 am So when you have to resort to the last line of defense, that being the CIWS then I have to ask why? This missile was shot out of the sky by the Phalanx gun approximately 1 mile from the destroyer. How did the missile ever get that close?? Apparently some of the Navy people probably tinkled in their pants.
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There is a rather large # of bad actors all along the Yemen coast with a boatload full of anti ship missiles . Their ultimate goal is to take out a Navy destroyer. It wouldn't surprise me if these bad actors are receiving a little bit of outside help. One mile is too damn close for comfort. When all of the high tech, whizz bang ultra sophisticated weapons don't get the job done then you go old school with the Phalanx cannon. That is one hell of a last line of defense.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:04 amWhat good is a last line of defense if you don't use it on occasion? IMO it validates the USN concept of multi-layered defense and it likely provided some data as to why they did not detect the threat sooner. That said it's never 100% as was seen in the Jordanian base attack.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:38 pmYep. That one was too close for comfort. Gravely & Carney are going to need to reload soon, if this keeps up. Good data point for CIWS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:01 am So when you have to resort to the last line of defense, that being the CIWS then I have to ask why? This missile was shot out of the sky by the Phalanx gun approximately 1 mile from the destroyer. How did the missile ever get that close?? Apparently some of the Navy people probably tinkled in their pants.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/politics ... index.html
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Some of our elected officials may need a refresher course.
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It becomes even riskier when people are shooting at you.
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Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.
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Jordan also supporting in strikes: https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1753545 ... a82I2GssRg
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It that inherently riskier than people far removed and approaching war as abstraction with weapons of mass destruction at their disposal?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:32 amIt becomes even riskier when people are shooting at you.
After reading the question above and then turning the dome on and letting it warm up for a wild after such a long period of inactivity and thinking about it, then is what you wrote really true?
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US-Based B-1 bombers says we mean business. How many in-flight refuelings required for the round trip? All active-duty B1 locations are in the Midwest and West.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 pm Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics ... index.html
Appears that the plan is to hit supply routes as well as other targets that keep these militias in Iraq and Syria supplied along Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
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85 targets? And not ONE of them was an Iranian target? Do I have that right?Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:03 amUS-Based B-1 bombers says we mean business. How many in-flight refuelings required for the round trip? All active-duty B1 locations are in the Midwest and West.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 pm Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics ... index.html
Appears that the plan is to hit supply routes as well as other targets that keep these militias in Iraq and Syria supplied along Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
Countdown until Biden sends more troops to reinforce our multiple bases in the region in 3, 2, 1..........
We will NEVER learn. We will be playing this same stupid, pointless game for a thousand years.
Invade the region because we "need" to save .20 per gallon at the pump. Regions nutjobs hit back. Send more sitting ducks, er, I mean troops to the region. They get hit. We now "have" to stay "because the region in unstable".....and can NEVER leave.
My solution? Get the F out. Now there are no US targets to hit. Route US ships the long way, and PAY our shipping companies to do it....anyone want to take a wild guess as to how many billions we'd save, and how many lives we'd save doing it my way?
Naaah. Let's keep doing what we're doing. It's goin' GREAT out there, and the folk who think this makes sense aren't on the hook for the taxes to pay for this game, because we borrow every penny for this warfare. So they have ZERO skin in the game, and don't care about the blow billions for no real goal.
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This was a USAF show, no Navy, even in theater. Use of the B-1's may be indicative of a pending shortage of munitions.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:03 amUS-Based B-1 bombers says we mean business. How many in-flight refuelings required for the round trip? All active-duty B1 locations are in the Midwest and West.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 pm Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics ... index.html
Appears that the plan is to hit supply routes as well as other targets that keep these militias in Iraq and Syria supplied along Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
The B-1's can haul a lot of 500 lb dumb bombs, made smart with JDAM kits. Loading the bombs on the B-1's in CONUS means you don't have to transport the bombs in C-17's to Europe or the ME to load on F-15's/16's launching from there. It's a permissive air defense environment with little threat to the B-1's. The B-1's & their crews need to fly for proficiency anyway. This was an opportune mission they could perform from CONUS. I would not read too much into the choice of the ordnance delivery platform. It was just 2 x B-1's escorted by F-15E's who could also deliver bombs.
Meanwhile, IKE's F-18's are staying busy in the Red Sea, striking any Houthi drone or missile launcher that shows itself.
They could be in the Red Sea for several more months.
They have to reprovision & rearm at sea, unless they can go back pierside at Souda Bay Crete.
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Something is very Hinky with Bombardier Joes bombing campaign. Issue # 1 is you NEVER announce your plans to drop bombs to the people on the receiving end of those bombs. #2 is you don't have to give ANY OTHER country a heads up when, where and why your going to bomb the bad actors. #3 with all of that prior warning how many of you think any of the bad actors and their missiles weren't tucked away safe and sound far away from all of those smart bombs being launched at empty targets? I guess in the new world we live in that political correctness even includes strategic bombing of sensitive targets. Anybody out there in Dreamland think that these attacks on our ships and our soldiers won't start up again in a couple of weeks? After the Iranians and their proxies have had a good laugh at our ineptitude the attacks will begin all over again.
It wasn't a total loss. Those B-1 crews received some decent flight time in a combat environment.
It wasn't a total loss. Those B-1 crews received some decent flight time in a combat environment.
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Apparently, Navy was heavily involved in the latest attacks against Houthi targets in Yemen along with the Brits (out of Cyprus).old salt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:03 pmThis was a USAF show, no Navy, even in theater. Use of the B-1's may be indicative of a pending shortage of munitions.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:03 amUS-Based B-1 bombers says we mean business. How many in-flight refuelings required for the round trip? All active-duty B1 locations are in the Midwest and West.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:48 pm Retaliatory strikes began this afternoon right after the three deceased were brought home. 85 targets.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics ... index.html
Appears that the plan is to hit supply routes as well as other targets that keep these militias in Iraq and Syria supplied along Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
The B-1's can haul a lot of 500 lb dumb bombs, made smart with JDAM kits. Loading the bombs on the B-1's in CONUS means you don't have to transport the bombs in C-17's to Europe or the ME to load on F-15's/16's launching from there. It's a permissive air defense environment with little threat to the B-1's. The B-1's & their crews need to fly for proficiency anyway. This was an opportune mission they could perform from CONUS. I would not read too much into the choice of the ordnance delivery platform. It was just 2 x B-1's escorted by F-15E's who could also deliver bombs.
Meanwhile, IKE's F-18's are staying busy in the Red Sea, striking any Houthi drone or missile launcher that shows itself.
They could be in the Red Sea for several more months.
They have to reprovision & rearm at sea, unless they can go back pierside at Souda Bay Crete.
If the Ike is in the Southern Red Sea/Arabian Sea, couldn't they also resupply out of Doha Qatar rather than heading all the way back to the Med
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I did some research on this. There is absolutely no record of FDR telling Ike to inform Rommel that we would be attacking in Normandy at a time and place of our choosing. The rational is that FDR and Ike wanted it to be a surprise to the defenders of Hitlers Atlantic Wall. Damned if FDR and Ike were right...son of a gun, who knew??
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Who would have guessed you wouldn't like his response no matter what he did?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:53 am Something is very Hinky with Bombardier Joes bombing campaign. Issue # 1 is you NEVER announce your plans to drop bombs to the people on the receiving end of those bombs. #2 is you don't have to give ANY OTHER country a heads up when, where and why your going to bomb the bad actors. #3 with all of that prior warning how many of you think any of the bad actors and their missiles weren't tucked away safe and sound far away from all of those smart bombs being launched at empty targets? I guess in the new world we live in that political correctness even includes strategic bombing of sensitive targets. Anybody out there in Dreamland think that these attacks on our ships and our soldiers won't start up again in a couple of weeks? After the Iranians and their proxies have had a good laugh at our ineptitude the attacks will begin all over again.
It wasn't a total loss. Those B-1 crews received some decent flight time in a combat environment.
JFC we didn't tell them where we'd hit them and when. If you were right, why didn't those militias move their weapons warehouses, missile/rocket depots and personnel that we blew up? Our intelligence knows when and where they're moving if they do so.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 12:15 amSo you have no idea what he should do? You're just gonna criticize him no matter who he kills or doesn't kill?
It's all moot anyway. Do you really think they would sit on their thumbs after attacking US forces, believing we wouldn't retaliate? They've known we're gonna retaliate since they started shooting.
Doesn't seem like you did any real research on it.
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars
I'll make this very simple. I don't have a problem with how President Biden chose to respond. I have a huge problem with the complete lack of discretion he used in going about that decision. You don't tell the bad actors your going to do something in any way shape or form. So the bad actors were told in advance what Joe was going to do. He spent more than enough time telegraphing in a manner the bad actors spot on understood. I think that is industrial strength stupid. Apparently you are cool and groovy with President Bidens approach. It looks like we just disagree. The proof will come in how long it takes the bad actors to get back to their old tricks.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:26 pmWho would have guessed you wouldn't like his response no matter what he did?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:53 am Something is very Hinky with Bombardier Joes bombing campaign. Issue # 1 is you NEVER announce your plans to drop bombs to the people on the receiving end of those bombs. #2 is you don't have to give ANY OTHER country a heads up when, where and why your going to bomb the bad actors. #3 with all of that prior warning how many of you think any of the bad actors and their missiles weren't tucked away safe and sound far away from all of those smart bombs being launched at empty targets? I guess in the new world we live in that political correctness even includes strategic bombing of sensitive targets. Anybody out there in Dreamland think that these attacks on our ships and our soldiers won't start up again in a couple of weeks? After the Iranians and their proxies have had a good laugh at our ineptitude the attacks will begin all over again.
It wasn't a total loss. Those B-1 crews received some decent flight time in a combat environment.
JFC we didn't tell them where we'd hit them and when. If you were right, why didn't those militias move their weapons warehouses, missile/rocket depots and personnel that we blew up? Our intelligence knows when and where they're moving if they do so.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 12:15 amSo you have no idea what he should do? You're just gonna criticize him no matter who he kills or doesn't kill?
It's all moot anyway. Do you really think they would sit on their thumbs after attacking US forces, believing we wouldn't retaliate? They've known we're gonna retaliate since they started shooting.
Doesn't seem like you did any real research on it.
To the last point you made you have to understand the difference between PROACTIVE and REACTIVE. The time to strike would have come at attack #1. The attack came after attack # 160ish and not until our personnel had been mortally wounded. Yeah, the bad actors probably figured out all on their lonesome it was time to lay low for a bit.
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