Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:44 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:16 pm
re the bail discussion, unless there's an actual adjudication of the strength of evidence, what waffle is saying that we should trust the police as to the strength of such evidence when it comes to crimes committed with a gun. It would be "prudent" to hold the accused perp because they may commit a subsequent crime...according to the police.
And yet waffle acknowledges the potential for abuse, the long history of abuse.
Yes I’m pointing out it’s an allegation or charge. To imprison and take one’s rights away. And only with an incredibly intellectually challenged argument of hindsight, hasn’t articulated clearly any reasons to subjugate our core principals and hand that power to police whose jobs are to enforce but not adjudicate. His entire commentary to me was totally responsive and pointless.
Pardon my intellectual challenges, Geneva. You've made me realize I'm a mental minnow swimming amongst thought giants of the deep.
If we can focus granularly on my initial post regarding Mr. Nance, the police "just report the news" to the DAs/Judges who determine if charges/bail are warranted/granted (or not). Is there a new power for police I'm unaware of having been instituted? You seem to indicate that is how it works. I went back and read your words very slowly.
Tidbits from one local news report:
...Nance had an “extensive criminal history.” In early January of last year, Nance allegedly fired at a car carrying a woman. No one was hit, but he was charged in an arrest warrant with aggravated battery and recklessly firing a weapon, records show. As he was being taken into custody Jan. 27, 2023, Nance wrestled free from officers and tried to run, leading authorities to also charge him with obstruction, the records show.
So, he was a good candidate for bail and release back into society? You're the intellectual giant. You tell us.
While he was being held awaiting his bond hearing, he showed what a model guest he is:
Later the next month, Nance was charged with criminal damage to government property after he allegedly broke glass in a cell door, according to the records. Also that February, Nance was charged with a misdemeanor count of battery while still in jail. Details on that case were not immediately available.
I believe in one's constitution rights as staunchly as anyone here. My pea sized brain obviously just needs to rethink how we should simply eliminate bail entirely, even when convicted criminals are popping off rounds from their illegal firearms and resisting arrest. Mea culpa for suggesting such an upstanding career criminal be held without bail as our sick society trammels on his rights.
Reading headlines about the likes of Mr. Nance really ticks me off. And lays bare the target fixation of "sensible gun control" advocates who seemingly have no limits to the creative approaches they are deploying on behalf of a narrative which has the sole purpose of curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens who legally own and utilize firearms. Just today, Everytown dropped their post 2024 Shot Show review of how manufacturers are unleashing new and deadlier products into the marketplace. On the list - run for the hills - are new lever action rifles from Henry and Smith & Wesson. That 1837 technology is positively chilling. I am left to think the journalist who went deep undercover to expose "gun manufacturers make guns" will be winning a Pulitzer for the expose. It's right up there with last year's NYT's Lake City "ammo maker makes ammo" epic.
I have provided my thoughts on numerous aspects of "sensible" in previous posts on this thread, including red flag laws, storage, suicide, mass public shootings, and a bunch more. It's a topic I am passionate about, and this thread has a great deal of discourse I can respect and appreciate, even if I personally disagree, or half agree, regarding a particular poster's take. I do endeavor to keep my insults and snarky insinuations to a minimum. As my grandmother used to say, "An insult is a weak attempt to make someone feel small"
I shall head back to the kids table now, properly chastened. At least we have a lot more fun there!
Be well.
The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. John Stuart Mill On Liberty 1859