Our Undeclared Wars

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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Xanax for anxiety however it isn’t a cycle drug and our tolerance declines dramatically with that drug. You go from taking it when you sibling kills themself to a hangnail real quick.

In rehab now the big money maker is this turd that make you vomit if you drink or take a variety of drugs. It’s kind of a rehab industry scam because the very kightly medically trained the push it and won’t answer questions as tot he why and eventually when you keep pushing back for rel answers they say you can’t be trusted to take other steps. Inside the rehab place. Well if that was legit she wouldn’t have made me play 20 questions to get there.
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
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Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
No need to worry. My Orthopedic surgeon is encouraging me to use Oxy for the pain. So far I'm taking 10mg at night when I crash on the couch. I'm 7 days post surgery for a total reverse shoulder replacement. Boredom is my biggest problem right now. I have another 5 weeks immobilized in a sling. Then 3 more months of doing nothing while my shoulder heals before I can begin to strengthen my shoulder. This type of surgery isn't like getting a new knee or a new hip. I no longer have a rotator cuff to lift my shoulder. When the healing is finally done my deltoid muscles will allow me to raise my shoulder over my head with a maximum of weight bearing of no more than 15 pounds.
I bet you wish you never asked? It is the worst pain I have ever known. I am a case study as to what a post operative infection can do. I'm still on augmentin and doxycycline twice a day and yes I'm doing the yogurt thing to fight C-diff. I actually have a medical excuse for my erratic behavior. I can tell you that when used properly Oxycodone is a blessing. I'm really lucky because my nurse wife watches me like a hawk. There is no buzz to Oxy. It also makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. As soon as I don't need it to sleep then it goes away. I hope that day comes very soon.
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:45 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
No need to worry. My Orthopedic surgeon is encouraging me to use Oxy for the pain. So far I'm taking 10mg at night when I crash on the couch. I'm 7 days post surgery for a total reverse shoulder replacement. Boredom is my biggest problem right now. I have another 5 weeks immobilized in a sling. Then 3 more months of doing nothing while my shoulder heals before I can begin to strengthen my shoulder. This type of surgery isn't like getting a new knee or a new hip. I no longer have a rotator cuff to lift my shoulder. When the healing is finally done my deltoid muscles will allow me to raise my shoulder over my head with a maximum of weight bearing of no more than 15 pounds.
I bet you wish you never asked? It is the worst pain I have ever known. I am a case study as to what a post operative infection can do. I'm still on augmentin and doxycycline twice a day and yes I'm doing the yogurt thing to fight C-diff. I actually have a medical excuse for my erratic behavior. I can tell you that when used properly Oxycodone is a blessing. I'm really lucky because my nurse wife watches me like a hawk.
I am truly sorry for you (or anyone) 8’ pain and I’ve stated this but the direct cause of my father’s death was septic shock from C Diff. He had fallen at his place with it after rehab post hip replacement and laid on his stomach for hours before I found him got him up and ok and he fell. Again at my pace called the ambulance and a week or so later over Easter night he passed from it. The weak new hip didn’t help with his condition and laying stomach down for 6-7 hours was the final straw. So be very very careful and clean you frigiging hosue with bleach every single day-no joke. That ish is airborne. And recall my dad had little
Movement with zero cartilage after 43-45 from the super sever regulations arthritis. That hip replacement was the good hip the other one was done like 15yrs earlier from the grinding if the ball and socket.

All that being said: did you miss my point on your assault on me and others regarding drug use, which i can take just fine but it’s misguided, incorrect and petty, while standing on a hill that everything. Is cool around using oxy because a doctor prescribed it?

You may want to read this. When I had the small business I steered a few years back I employed Jason Heaton so understand the situation quite well here.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/fo ... -illegally
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Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:45 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
No need to worry. My Orthopedic surgeon is encouraging me to use Oxy for the pain. So far I'm taking 10mg at night when I crash on the couch. I'm 7 days post surgery for a total reverse shoulder replacement. Boredom is my biggest problem right now. I have another 5 weeks immobilized in a sling. Then 3 more months of doing nothing while my shoulder heals before I can begin to strengthen my shoulder. This type of surgery isn't like getting a new knee or a new hip. I no longer have a rotator cuff to lift my shoulder. When the healing is finally done my deltoid muscles will allow me to raise my shoulder over my head with a maximum of weight bearing of no more than 15 pounds.
I bet you wish you never asked? It is the worst pain I have ever known. I am a case study as to what a post operative infection can do. I'm still on augmentin and doxycycline twice a day and yes I'm doing the yogurt thing to fight C-diff. I actually have a medical excuse for my erratic behavior. I can tell you that when used properly Oxycodone is a blessing. I'm really lucky because my nurse wife watches me like a hawk. There is no buzz to Oxy. It also makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. As soon as I don't need it to sleep then it goes away. I hope that day comes very soon.
Xanax works well when you’d properly too. Which is less than half the time with use over more than 12mo…
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
FTR my best friend in this world died after his struggle with cocaine. It took ten years and was lucky enough to be by his side until his heart finally had enough. He didn't do coke because of the pain. He sold it and used it for the power trip. He f***ed many a married woman and broke up more than a few marriages along the way. At the peak he was using several 8 balls a day. I heard all about it FFG. Nothing like having your best friend show up at your back door at 3am strung out, paranoid,hasn't slept in days and he thinks the police chased him all the way to my house. Those were the days my friend. I guess I'm lucky he didn't wake up my infant son. My ex wife was thrilled to no end at the late night visit. Bring up any fond memories for you? I didn't live your experience the way you did. I was one of those folks that enjoyed it from the perspective of watching my friend die one day at a time. That pain has never gone away.
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:58 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:45 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
No need to worry. My Orthopedic surgeon is encouraging me to use Oxy for the pain. So far I'm taking 10mg at night when I crash on the couch. I'm 7 days post surgery for a total reverse shoulder replacement. Boredom is my biggest problem right now. I have another 5 weeks immobilized in a sling. Then 3 more months of doing nothing while my shoulder heals before I can begin to strengthen my shoulder. This type of surgery isn't like getting a new knee or a new hip. I no longer have a rotator cuff to lift my shoulder. When the healing is finally done my deltoid muscles will allow me to raise my shoulder over my head with a maximum of weight bearing of no more than 15 pounds.
I bet you wish you never asked? It is the worst pain I have ever known. I am a case study as to what a post operative infection can do. I'm still on augmentin and doxycycline twice a day and yes I'm doing the yogurt thing to fight C-diff. I actually have a medical excuse for my erratic behavior. I can tell you that when used properly Oxycodone is a blessing. I'm really lucky because my nurse wife watches me like a hawk. There is no buzz to Oxy. It also makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. As soon as I don't need it to sleep then it goes away. I hope that day comes very soon.
Xanax works well when you’d properly too. Which is less than half the time with use over more than 12mo…
I'm just getting through today. The shoulder hurts like mother effer right now. Ice works well also. No Oxy till bedtime. Celebrex and Tylenol is it.
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:12 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
FTR my best friend in this world died after his struggle with cocaine. It took ten years and was lucky enough to be by his side until his heart finally had enough. He didn't do coke because of the pain. He sold it and used it for the power trip. He f***ed many a married woman and broke up more than a few marriages along the way. At the peak he was using several 8 balls a day. I heard all about it FFG. Nothing like having your best friend show up at your back door at 3am strung out, paranoid,hasn't slept in days and he thinks the police chased him all the way to my house. Those were the days my friend. I guess I'm lucky he didn't wake up my infant son. My ex wife was thrilled to no end at the late night visit. Bring up any fond memories for you? I didn't live your experience the way you did. I was one of those folks that enjoyed it from the perspective of watching my friend die one day at a time. That pain has never gone away.
Nothing from his experience resonates which is what your behavior here is inhuman, wrong and dumb around it and why I don’t take it personally but I will always hold you account for me coming to you privately out of empathy and you trying to weaponize it in public. I have issues I’ve resolved/resolving just fine. I never heck with ny kids. I’ve always paid the bills and made money and have fifty professional lining up to provide recommendations today. My wife has hit me many times and I’ve turned down all sorts of a** late night just went out because I was miserable in my own home once the kids were in bed and often that meant working the bringing on little
Or no sleep.

Nothing is familiar and your understanding of abuse and addiction is so wrong and awful. Your position pushed people with depression and other mental health issues who find drugs to end up liking themselves. It’s awful. Thankfully I’m
Not that person but if you spouted off like that to most of the fragile as heck people I met when I one took myself offline for a month mainly need ing to get away from my environment to clear my head (lack of regular sleep can create /paranoia and bad thinking) you might have a body on your hands. Then of course tell me I don’t have class or character breathlessly in following post of course .

I was always quiet and don’t wake anyone up. Took car e of business and family as needed if not totally “present” just miserable and looking for any exit ramp.

What I read is your best friend was a piece of turd person before drugs. They just exacerbated the monstrosity there. But most people with addictions have mental health issues and while they can’t do a genealogy definitively it’s accepted the vast majority have the mental health issues first.

If you don’t understand that above than any position you have on drugs is either totally wrong or you are and and hypocritical person. I think it’s a lack of effort to understand anything that’s not immediately in front of you.

And honestly no one is doing multiple 8 balls a day and surviving a week. That’s him lying or you blowing the story up. You can bank on that. (Unless your crappy upstate drugs which put Drake at Bart was from Roch- “Black Rob”, don’t possible, that is was so stepped on as to be 15-30% coke and the balance everything else-vitamin B, acetone, baby laxatives, fentanyl, etc)
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:16 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:58 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:45 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
No need to worry. My Orthopedic surgeon is encouraging me to use Oxy for the pain. So far I'm taking 10mg at night when I crash on the couch. I'm 7 days post surgery for a total reverse shoulder replacement. Boredom is my biggest problem right now. I have another 5 weeks immobilized in a sling. Then 3 more months of doing nothing while my shoulder heals before I can begin to strengthen my shoulder. This type of surgery isn't like getting a new knee or a new hip. I no longer have a rotator cuff to lift my shoulder. When the healing is finally done my deltoid muscles will allow me to raise my shoulder over my head with a maximum of weight bearing of no more than 15 pounds.
I bet you wish you never asked? It is the worst pain I have ever known. I am a case study as to what a post operative infection can do. I'm still on augmentin and doxycycline twice a day and yes I'm doing the yogurt thing to fight C-diff. I actually have a medical excuse for my erratic behavior. I can tell you that when used properly Oxycodone is a blessing. I'm really lucky because my nurse wife watches me like a hawk. There is no buzz to Oxy. It also makes me sick to my stomach sometimes. As soon as I don't need it to sleep then it goes away. I hope that day comes very soon.
Xanax works well when you’d properly too. Which is less than half the time with use over more than 12mo…
I'm just getting through today. The shoulder hurts like mother effer right now. Ice works well also. No Oxy till bedtime. Celebrex and Tylenol is it.
Xanax isn’t a body pain killer it’s anti anxiety. Making the point of the difference between a cycle drug that’s always in the blood and temporal use as needed ones
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:12 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
FTR my best friend in this world died after his struggle with cocaine. It took ten years and was lucky enough to be by his side until his heart finally had enough. He didn't do coke because of the pain. He sold it and used it for the power trip. He f***ed many a married woman and broke up more than a few marriages along the way. At the peak he was using several 8 balls a day. I heard all about it FFG. Nothing like having your best friend show up at your back door at 3am strung out, paranoid,hasn't slept in days and he thinks the police chased him all the way to my house. Those were the days my friend. I guess I'm lucky he didn't wake up my infant son. My ex wife was thrilled to no end at the late night visit. Bring up any fond memories for you? I didn't live your experience the way you did. I was one of those folks that enjoyed it from the perspective of watching my friend die one day at a time. That pain has never gone away.

I’ll common further. I don’t recall the exact % but over 60% of folks in rehab are there for (legal) alcohol addiction. Ike gun safety just passing laws doesn’t mean ish. White collar guys, the head trainer for UGA football who’s got an MD, lawyers, doctors, managers, etc plus rural poor etc. they buy pony bottles at different gas stations to not be notice etc.

Us a guy I got to know, tall Irish guy who used to be clown and juggler and has been IATse (film stage design Union) for like 20yrs. Gave me his book on Buddhism when I met him. He’s been dry for three years but hadn’t worked in a year and
Recently came to me awkwardly because he’s running out of
Dough without that work and I’m giving him a month which is best I can do right now with my own situations.

So not only have I gotten past my worst situation, just closed a quarter billion in warehouse facilities in Dec for two clients who were effusive in thanks for my efforts (never clear so many legacy baggage things), but someone felt like they could trust me when they were in a bad and weak place.

Your entire framework on substances, legal and otherwise, needs a lot of considerations and revision. Feel free to go look up the guy I’ll give you his info in a PM
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Re: Our Undeclared Wars

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:12 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:54 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:21 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:29 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:00 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:15 am
Kismet wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:06 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:34 pm I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.
USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down. :oops:
So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. :D NBD
I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk :oops:
Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.
Stop worrying. Valium, maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be 😊
Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…
FTR my best friend in this world died after his struggle with cocaine. It took ten years and was lucky enough to be by his side until his heart finally had enough. He didn't do coke because of the pain. He sold it and used it for the power trip. He f***ed many a married woman and broke up more than a few marriages along the way. At the peak he was using several 8 balls a day. I heard all about it FFG. Nothing like having your best friend show up at your back door at 3am strung out, paranoid,hasn't slept in days and he thinks the police chased him all the way to my house. Those were the days my friend. I guess I'm lucky he didn't wake up my infant son. My ex wife was thrilled to no end at the late night visit. Bring up any fond memories for you? I didn't live your experience the way you did. I was one of those folks that enjoyed it from the perspective of watching my friend die one day at a time. That pain has never gone away.
Here’s reality. One of many solid outlines or aspects of this. Whether you want to accept all the experiences and expertise of the world or continue to believe your one experience reflects it all. (Not what a good person would do intentionally when you think about the consequences of handling these situations incorrectly, can’t say the probability but the severity of outcomes is so high getting it wrong isn’t insignificant) and it’s more important beyond drugs to understand how dopamine and adrenaline affect the mind in the moment. Presence is so very key. Recall also I’ve stated many times the true definition of addiction is habit + consequences not just habit.

https://www.tranquilshores.org/blog/201 ... addiction/

How Your Environment Affects Addiction
Whether you love an addict or you are one, confronting an addiction to substances like drugs or alcohol is scary. When you discover that someone is addicted to drugs or alcohol, it’s completely natural to want to find out what “caused” their addiction. After all, many people believe that understanding what causes addiction can help to “fix” it. While there is some truth to this — rehab is designed to address the factors that led to addiction — it’s not always easy to identify the cause of addiction on your own.

Why?

Because addiction is typically the combination of several factors — genetic, environmental, and social. And, while many addicts share similar stories, their spiral into addiction is a unique path that wound around many of their own individual circumstances. This can make it difficult to know how to support and understand your loved one, not only as they seek treatment initially, but also in the days and weeks that follow their formal treatment.

You see, just because someone completes their formal rehab program does not mean they are done being an addict. The real work of overcoming an addiction is done when the individual begins to rebuild their life outside of a treatment facility. It takes hard work, dedication, and intense effort to reconcile old hurts and move forward into new jobs, new relationships, and a new way of viewing the world.

Table of Contents

What is Addiction?
Genetics and Environment: Which Causes Addiction?
Environmental Risk Factors for Addiction
Creating a Sober Living Environment
Treatment Options
What Is Addiction?

An addiction is a disease that affects parts of your brain responsible for feelings of pleasure and relaxation. It can have a serious impact on a person’s behavior because addictive substances have properties that can impact judgment, actions, and more. When a person is addicted to a substance, they cannot control their urge to use it, no matter how destructive their behavior has become. They will destroy their jobs and relationships to get a fix, and, depending on how bad things get, they can even find themselves in legal trouble as a result.

Some well-meaning people believe that an addict can simply choose to stop using. But that’s simply not true. Addiction, just like heart disease or diabetes, is a chronic condition that has altered the way a person’s body functions. When someone becomes addicted to drugs or alcohol, their brain chemistry has been altered to the point that they cannot stop using harmful substances, and their ability to function normally has been compromised.

While this condition does not have to be permanent — there is help and hope for those struggling with addiction — it is important to understand that someone who is addicted to drugs or alcohol is going to need professional help to work through their addiction. They are also going to need to make significant changes to their habits, environment, and relationships to have lasting sobriety.

Whether you are personally struggling with an addiction, or you are concerned for a loved one, understanding the changes necessary to support recovery starts with understanding risk factors associated with addiction and how these risk factors can be lessened to make recovery easier in the long run.

Genetics and Environment: Which Causes Addiction?

There has long been a debate about whether addiction is caused by a person’s genetic makeup or the environment they inhabit. Researchers believe genetics can influence a person’s predisposition toward addiction to substances once they begin using them. In other words, some people may have a gene or genetic component that predisposes them to addictive behaviors if they are introduced to certain substances.

Environment, which is defined as family beliefs and attitudes, peer group, community, and more, is also believed to heavily influence addiction because these are typically the factors that lead an individual to try drugs or alcohol initially. When a person is encouraged to try drugs or alcohol, either socially or as a coping mechanism, they may continue to use these substances and, over time, their use may spiral into addiction.

Truthfully, most doctors and researchers agree that addiction is the result of a combination of genetics and environment. One does not necessarily outweigh another, and both should be a significant consideration when determining the best course of treatment for an addict. For example, if a person’s father was addicted to alcohol, there may be something in their genetic makeup that will also lead them to become an alcoholic if they begin drinking.

While it is important to understand the hereditary component of addiction, knowing the environmental causes of addiction and the way the environment can influence addiction and recovery is essential. Why? Because if you do not understand the impact that an addict’s environment has on their ability to get clean, you are not setting them up for success after they complete their formal rehab and treatment program.

Environmental Risk Factors for Addiction

As we mentioned before, environmental risk factors are the things and people that an addict is surrounded by on a regular basis. Typically, they fall into one of six categories:

1. Family

Not only does the type of family a person grew up in have a big impact on the likelihood that they will become an addict, but it also will have a huge impact on their ability to recover from addiction and pull their life back together. For example, if an individual grew up in a home with a lot of conflicts or without an adult they could look up to, they may be more disposed toward addiction. Individuals who grew up in a home where alcohol or drug use was prevalent are also at higher risk of becoming addicted later on.

2. School

A student’s performance in school, their commitment to their education, and the availability of quality friendships can be a factor in addiction. This is true for adolescents, teens, and even young adults who may be facing the college party scene. If an individual is older, their work environment may play a big role, especially if they are employed in a high-stress, high-stakes job and are in need of a release from all of the pressure.

3. Peers

A person whose friends engage in drug use and abuse is far more likely to do the same. In fact, more than any other factor, this is considered the biggest risk factor for addiction. However, it’s not just close friends that can influence a person’s use of drugs or alcohol. It could be an extended peer group at school or the general attitude of the school’s student body when it comes to drugs or alcohol. Or, on the opposite end of the spectrum, a person who is bullied or not included in any of their school’s peer groups may seek solace in drugs or alcohol to cope with their loneliness.

Media also can play a big role in influencing this kind of behavior, particularly in adolescents and teens who watch actors on TV or in movies engaging in these kinds of behaviors. Unfortunately, drugs and alcohol are often glorified in the media, being used and joked about in ways that seem fun and easy and don’t always show the consequences of their use.

4. Community

If a person lives in a community where drug use — and abuse — is prevalent, they will be more likely to fall into it themselves.

5. Trauma

There is a proven link between sexual abuse and adult addiction to drugs or alcohol, particularly if the abuse occurred during a person’s childhood. While this has some connection with our earlier mention of the link between family environment and addiction, it is important to understand trauma as its own entity because of the increased risks associated with individuals who have experienced sexual abuse.

6. Mental Illness

Addiction can also be a byproduct of mental illness, especially anxiety and depression. People who suffer from a mental illness may find that using drugs or alcohol to “self-medicate” makes them feel better. Sometimes they may not know they have a mental illness — they may just know that having a few drinks before a party helps them calm down. But, eventually, this can spiral out of control because someone who is using alcohol or drugs in this manner will gradually need to use more and more to achieve the same “high” they experienced in the beginning.

Creating a Sober Living Environment

It can be hard to look back and realize that some of the factors listed above led someone you love down the road of addiction. However, it’s not too late to make some changes to encourage health and healing. Just as a person’s environment can create risk factors for addiction, it can also play an instrumental role in helping an addict work through recovery and successfully get their addiction under control.

A professional rehabilitation program — even the best ones out there — cannot follow an addict out into the “real” world. Once an addict successfully completes a formal rehab program, it’s time for them to re-learn how to function under “normal” living conditions.

So what does this mean?

It means they will have to learn how to cope with things that may have contributed to their stress — and ultimately addiction — in the past. They may have to reassimilate into their family or find a job or cope with past trauma. A lot of this work will continue through counseling and outpatient therapy. However, there are also certain things recovering addicts and their loved ones can do to encourage a sober living environment.

1. Create a Low-Stress Environment

This will look different for every addict in recovery, so it’s important to talk with your loved one about what they need. If you are the recovering addict, then it’s essential you speak up and make your needs known. Don’t be afraid to distance yourself from negative influences, such as friends who engage in drug and alcohol use, or a family member who abused you as a child. At the same time, don’t be afraid to ask for help. Maybe it’s time to stop living alone and move in with a trusted family member or friend who can provide support and accountability during recovery.

Wherever you choose to live, it’s vital that the home environment be low-stress and not mimic the environmental triggers that contributed to your slide into abuse initially. If you are inviting a loved one to live with you while they continue their recovery journey, take time to make your home bright and welcoming, providing them with a light, positive atmosphere that makes them feel comfortable and supported.

2. Avoid Major Triggers

Just because a person completes a rehab program does not mean that they are “cured.” While it may not always be the case, setbacks and relapses can happen. But, the best way to support a recovering addict is to make sure their home environment is free from triggers that could encourage them to relapse. They need to learn how to trust people again, and this will happen when they are in an environment where they are cared for. The best way to do this is to provide them with a drug and alcohol-free environment to help them continue to fight and overcome the urges their addiction causes.

If you are a recovering addict, surround yourself with people who will encourage your successes, not people who will tempt you to fall back into your old patterns. This may mean leaving your old roommates and finding a new home. It may mean avoiding places you used to go to a party and drink. Decide what you need and make sure to express those needs to your support system.

3. Don’t Try to Do It Alone

Whether you are a recovering addict or you are supporting one, it’s going to be difficult to navigate this journey if you don’t have the support you need. No matter what your experiences have been, you have likely felt a lot of anger and hurt as addiction has wrapped itself around you and your family. It will take time to sort out all of the feelings and experiences that stemmed from addiction and learn how to move forward.

For some, it can take the form of professional counseling. For others, it may be an addiction support group. And this is not just for a recovering addict — family and friends of addicts should take advantage of the resources available to them as well. Whether you are a listening ear or you have taken on a larger role of accountability or caretaking, you need someone you can talk to and process things with.
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Uh oh

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics ... ack-jordan

"Three US Army troops were killed and at least two dozen service members were injured in a drone attack overnight on a small US outpost in Jordan, US officials told CNN, marking the first time US troops have been killed by enemy fire in the Middle East since the beginning of the Gaza war.

The killing of three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan near the border with Syria is a significant escalation of an already-precarious situation in the Middle East.

US Central Command confirmed in a statement on Sunday that three service members were killed and 25 injured in a one-way drone attack that “impacted at a base in northeast Jordan.”
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Kismet wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:26 am Uh oh

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics ... ack-jordan

"Three US Army troops were killed and at least two dozen service members were injured in a drone attack overnight on a small US outpost in Jordan, US officials told CNN, marking the first time US troops have been killed by enemy fire in the Middle East since the beginning of the Gaza war.

The killing of three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan near the border with Syria is a significant escalation of an already-precarious situation in the Middle East.

US Central Command confirmed in a statement on Sunday that three service members were killed and 25 injured in a one-way drone attack that “impacted at a base in northeast Jordan.”
Again: why do we have troops in Jordan? Sitting ducks, for no reason. Pull our people out of these places, and park them where they can DEFEND America.

Too late now.
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a fan wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:49 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:26 am Uh oh

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics ... ack-jordan

"Three US Army troops were killed and at least two dozen service members were injured in a drone attack overnight on a small US outpost in Jordan, US officials told CNN, marking the first time US troops have been killed by enemy fire in the Middle East since the beginning of the Gaza war.

The killing of three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan near the border with Syria is a significant escalation of an already-precarious situation in the Middle East.

US Central Command confirmed in a statement on Sunday that three service members were killed and 25 injured in a one-way drone attack that “impacted at a base in northeast Jordan.”
Again: why do we have troops in Jordan? Sitting ducks, for no reason. Pull our people out of these places, and park them where they can DEFEND America.

Too late now.
Agree with you 100% Sitting ducks is the perfect analogy. The bad actors only have to get lucky once and they just did. Sacrificial lambs being sacrificed for no reason. President Biden promised to answer this attack. The US doesn't even know for certain yet who is responsible for it. There will be huge celebrations in bad actor land today.
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Kismet wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:26 am Uh oh

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/28/politics ... ack-jordan

"Three US Army troops were killed and at least two dozen service members were injured in a drone attack overnight on a small US outpost in Jordan, US officials told CNN, marking the first time US troops have been killed by enemy fire in the Middle East since the beginning of the Gaza war.

The killing of three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan near the border with Syria is a significant escalation of an already-precarious situation in the Middle East.

US Central Command confirmed in a statement on Sunday that three service members were killed and 25 injured in a one-way drone attack that “impacted at a base in northeast Jordan.”
Iranian-backed militia in Syria apparently source of the attack
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Folks on this forum won't like my opinion on this issue. If the US government insists on keeping our .military people in harms way there has to be a serious change in tactics. The government has to make a difficult decision. At the risk of offending half of the world a proactive approach has to be considered. Choosing the reactive approach is a waste of time. The US government has the technology to take out these targets before they attack our people. Either make it happen or get the hell out of there.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:44 pm Folks on this forum won't like my opinion on this issue. If the US government insists on keeping our .military people in harms way there has to be a serious change in tactics. The government has to make a difficult decision. At the risk of offending half of the world a proactive approach has to be considered. Choosing the reactive approach is a waste of time. The US government has the technology to take out these targets before they attack our people. Either make it happen or get the hell out of there.
I tend to agree, cradle. Further, recruiting is down across the board. And those that have served in theatre over the last 20 of the GWOT, there seems to be a dichotomy of their value while serving and a ‘what for’ once they’ve returned. It is such a balanced engagement to be present in these sht hole places for the sole sake of ‘in the best interest of the US’ while still trying to play good cop for everyone else via proxy.

It seems the ME cares about one thing and one thing only….jihad first, then everything else, while they look us in the eyes and claim the former is not remotely true.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:55 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:44 pm Folks on this forum won't like my opinion on this issue. If the US government insists on keeping our .military people in harms way there has to be a serious change in tactics. The government has to make a difficult decision. At the risk of offending half of the world a proactive approach has to be considered. Choosing the reactive approach is a waste of time. The US government has the technology to take out these targets before they attack our people. Either make it happen or get the hell out of there.
I tend to agree, cradle. Further, recruiting is down across the board. And those that have served in theatre over the last 20 of the GWOT, there seems to be a dichotomy of their value while serving and a ‘what for’ once they’ve returned. It is such a balanced engagement to be present in these sht hole places for the sole sake of ‘in the best interest of the US’ while still trying to play good cop for everyone else via proxy.

It seems the ME cares about one thing and one thing only….jihad first, then everything else, while they look us in the eyes and claim the former is not remotely true.
I've had the same position here from day one: only have US troops....or military weaponry/training in countries that we have military treaties with......everyone else can F off.

And yep, there will be consequences for this choice. Some good, some bad. But picture how many of our troops would still be playing with their kids if we never set foot on a nation that we don't have a treaty with, or that hasn't attacked the US or our treaty-bound allies.

The ONLY war we have been in since WWII would have been in Afghanistan. And I'd argue that that would never have been needed if we had stayed out of the ME.

Can't cry about spilt milk that's run under the bridge....so, how about we try my version, and our Founding Father's version....and make the idea of "making war" difficult to do? Make the Senate ratify treaties again. And if we can't get it ratified? Must not be all that important.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:04 pm Briefing POTUS this afternoon: https://x.com/sentdefender/status/17516 ... a82I2GssRg
Biden has to make a difficult decision. I think I know what he needs to do. I don't think he has the giblets to do it. Being an election year will influence whatever Biden chooses to do.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:22 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:04 pm Briefing POTUS this afternoon: https://x.com/sentdefender/status/17516 ... a82I2GssRg
Biden has to make a difficult decision. I think I know what he needs to do. I don't think he has the giblets to do it. Being an election year will influence whatever Biden chooses to do.
By all accounts of his current term and those advising, I suspect a passive approach. Recent history has shown us that all these $hitbags in the ME want is death to the infidels. Our ROE also handcuff “in war” , so better off just utilizing strategic strikes.
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