Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[a fan]

Trump did eveything the law allowed & some that it didn't. He did disincentivize & reduce the pull factors, slowing the flow. It will never be closed until the asylum law loophole is closed & there are adequate detention facilities to halt catch & release. That will reduce the pull factor & staunch the flow.

If this was anywhere close to true? We would have MILLIONS of illegal workers in the US BEFORE Trump showed up.

It's just not true. You can tell me you don't like Biden until you're blue in the face...this issue isn't ten minutes old.

The problem can no longer be denied & discounted as Faux News. Sharing the pain with the sanctuary cities broke the logjam.

Wanna bet? They can, and have, ignored our POS immigration system for DECADES. Hell, as I've pointed out, not even 9/11 could get them off their *sses in the name of security.

And Trump's about to kill reform for AT LEAST another year and a half with a couple of phone calls.

I'd be DELIGHTED to be wrong. But we're dealing with the consequences of nominating a vengeful Trump AGAIN. Cowardly R's are afraid of being on his sh(t list.

[a fan]

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2022-09 ... dirty-word

How CRT became a dirty word
How DEI became a dirty word
How Affirmative Action became a dirty word
How BLM became a dirty word
How Transgender became a dirty word
How politically correct became a dirty word

This list goes on…

...how Jan 6th became an insurrection.

This is LOUSY partisan reasoning that you're stealing from FoxNation.

This is what you're arguing: someone breaks into your home after posting on social media that he's coming to steal your sh(t. In particular, he brags that he's gonna break into your top-notch safe, even though he has ZERO training in how to do that.

He's AWFUL at stealing stuff. And? He was stupid enough to tell the world WHY he was breaking in on Twitter---for a jury and judge to see during the eventual trial.

He breaks into your home. But is SO stupid, he decides to try and steal your sectional couch...which can't fit through your door. He fiddles with the combination on your safe, and can't get it. Eventually? He gives up, and goes home. But not before showing up on your security cameras, which caught the license plate on his car, which he idiotically parked outside. Oh, and breaking a bunch of your sh(t, doing a whole bunch of damage to your home.

What you're telling me is that after all that, you'd laugh and not do a thing, because you think that he was SO BAD at being a burglar that it somehow "doesn't count" as attempted robbery, and breaking and entering.

Right. You'd totally do that. You'd call the police INSTANTLY, and press charges. And if you caught him in your home anywhere near your family, you'd blow his head off.....but likely warn him before shooting.

Apply that to Jan 6th. Just because these people are freaking idiots who had NO CHANCE of accomplishing their illegal goal, doesn't mean that they didn't try. And it sure as sh(t doesn't mean that we shouldn't throw the book at them.

Folks on the lawn? They have 100% of my support. Protesting is as American as apple pie.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2022-09 ... dirty-word

How CRT became a dirty word
How DEI became a dirty word
How Affirmative Action became a dirty word
How BLM became a dirty word
How Transgender became a dirty word
How politically correct became a dirty word

This list goes on…

...how Jan 6th became an insurrection.

How does January 6th differ from each or those other items?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection


https://thenevadaindependent.com/articl ... as-to-come

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 7e55bedaa5

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 7e55bedaa5

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.

Certainly meets the definition of an insurrection.

Whole lot of people didn't realize how they were being used by others... who clearly did know that they were trying to prevent the turnover of Presidential power... but those being used were caught up in the energy of the mob. The key is that some people did know the intent.

[youthathletics]

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 7e55bedaa5

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.

Certainly meets the definition of an insurrection.

Whole lot of people didn't realize how they were being used by others... who clearly did know that they were trying to prevent the turnover of Presidential power... but those being used were caught up in the energy of the mob. The key is that some people did know the intent.

Stop clogging up the wrong thread and breaking the rules you two. You two are always messing things up.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2022-09 ... dirty-word

How CRT became a dirty word
How DEI became a dirty word
How Affirmative Action became a dirty word
How BLM became a dirty word
How Transgender became a dirty word
How politically correct became a dirty word

This list goes on…

...how Jan 6th became an insurrection.

This is LOUSY partisan reasoning that you're stealing from FoxNation.

This is what you're arguing: someone breaks into your home after posting on social media that he's coming to steal your sh(t. In particular, he brags that he's gonna break into your top-notch safe, even though he has ZERO training in how to do that.

He's AWFUL at stealing stuff. And? He was stupid enough to tell the world WHY he was breaking in on Twitter---for a jury and judge to see during the eventual trial.

He breaks into your home. But is SO stupid, he decides to try and steal your sectional couch...which can't fit through your door. He fiddles with the combination on your safe, and can't get it. Eventually? He gives up, and goes home. But not before showing up on your security cameras, which caught the license plate on his car, which he idiotically parked outside. Oh, and breaking a bunch of your sh(t, doing a whole bunch of damage to your home.

What you're telling me is that after all that, you'd laugh and not do a thing, because you think that he was SO BAD at being a burglar that it somehow "doesn't count" as attempted robbery, and breaking and entering.

Right. You'd totally do that. You'd call the police INSTANTLY, and press charges. And if you caught him in your home anywhere near your family, you'd blow his head off.....but likely warn him before shooting.

Apply that to Jan 6th. Just because these people are freaking idiots who had NO CHANCE of accomplishing their illegal goal, doesn't mean that they didn't try. And it sure as sh(t doesn't mean that we shouldn't throw the book at them.

Folks on the lawn? They have 100% of my support. Protesting is as American as apple pie.

I love article like this.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 945be5fd6a

I was a mass media communication minor and Media and The Government was a ball breaking course. Language is important and words are chosen carefully. If give Republican party credit for understanding how to control the meaning of words by making use of the media. The party is often able to define words even it is counter to the original meaning. They stay on message.

[old salt]

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 7e55bedaa5

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.

Yes, it was a large riot. What charges were convicted or pleaded to.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/opini ... 514508001/
Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection. Stop calling it what it isn’t.

Words have meaning.

The events of Jan. 6 have been described by Senator Schumer as a date that will live in infamy — harkening back to FDR’s words after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Others have compared Jan. 6 with 9-11. Some historians declared it to be the worst act of rebellion since the nation’s founding, while others believe there’s been nothing like it since the Civil War. The news media and the Left use “insurrection” to describe Jan. 6.

They’re all wrong.

Historically, Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787), the Whiskey Rebellion (1790), and Fries Rebellion (1799) were actual acts of insurrection.

Post-Civil War, the Wilmington Insurrection (1898) is by far worse than Jan. 6. Another one, the Battle of Athens, TN (1946), involved local armed WWII GIs taking over the town, forcing the corrupt sheriff to hide in the jail clinging to the election ballot boxes, until he finally surrendered and the GIs’ candidate won the election. There were the L.A. riots of 1992.

And the BLM riots during the summer of 2020 caused 18 deaths, over $1 billion dollars in damage, including federal and state buildings, and in some cities sovereign nations were declared.

Jan. 6. caused $1.5 million in damage and, despite what was often reported, one person was killed. An unarmed woman, Ashley Babbitt, was shot by a Capitol police officer. The officer’s interview on NBC resulted in more questions than answers about why he fired his weapon and killed Babbitt.

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.

To date, a small percentage of the approximately 725 charged have been accused of violent crimes, and no charges of rebellion or insurrection have been filed. Around 165 have pled guilty to charges — mostly to misdemeanors. Only 30 were given jail time. The FBI investigation has yielded little evidence of a coordinated and organized attack. Instead, 95 percent of the participants were acting individually.

An AP story intending to link Trump to the riot published some of the comments made by participants during court appearances. None of them stated that the event was planned. Indeed, most indicated they didn’t really know why they did it. They said they felt inspired by Trump’s comments and believed the election was fraudulent, but there was no organized or coordinated plan to attack the Capitol.

Most of the Jan. 6 participants have been charged with trespass. One local man was at the Capitol dressed as George Washington for selfies. A woman from Missouri recently admitted being at the Capitol and stealing a broken sign.

Video footage shows people walking single file past idle officers as they entered the building. Afterward, most exited on their own accord.

Very few were arrested that day. Since Jan. 6, the DOJ has used a campaign of “shock and awe” to round up and detain people, again predominantly charged with misdemeanors. Compared with the BLM riots, prosecutors do seem more zealous about Jan. 6. Yet, insurrection charges haven’t been filed.

Confrontation between officers and rioters did happen. Violence definitely occurred. But, the only shot fired was, again, by the officer who killed Babbitt.

Jan. 6 was a horrible event. People who acted violently or damaged property should be prosecuted. Those who unlawfully trespassed should also be prosecuted. But as bad as Jan. 6 actually was, it was not the worst in American history. It can’t be compared to Pearl Harbor or 9-11. It’s not even the worst this century.

Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.

[old salt]

Trump did eveything the law allowed & some that it didn't. He did disincentivize & reduce the pull factors, slowing the flow. It will never be closed until the asylum law loophole is closed & there are adequate detention facilities to halt catch & release. That will reduce the pull factor & staunch the flow.

If this was anywhere close to true? We would have MILLIONS of illegal workers in the US BEFORE Trump showed up.

It's just not true. You can tell me you don't like Biden until you're blue in the face...this issue isn't ten minutes old.

The problem can no longer be denied & discounted as Faux News. Sharing the pain with the sanctuary cities broke the logjam.

Wanna bet? They can, and have, ignored our POS immigration system for DECADES. Hell, as I've pointed out, not even 9/11 could get them off their *sses in the name of security.

And Trump's about to kill reform for AT LEAST another year and a half with a couple of phone calls.

I'd be DELIGHTED to be wrong. But we're dealing with the consequences of nominating a vengeful Trump AGAIN. Cowardly R's are afraid of being on his sh(t list.

We don't even know yet what's in the Senate bi-partisan compromise bill. We don't know what Biden will agree to.
Until we see that, we can't judge if it will close the asylum loophole, stop catch & release & staunch the flow, or if it's just a way to temporarily ease the crisis by speeding up the processing & distribution throughout the country.

[a fan]

Trump did eveything the law allowed & some that it didn't. He did disincentivize & reduce the pull factors, slowing the flow. It will never be closed until the asylum law loophole is closed & there are adequate detention facilities to halt catch & release. That will reduce the pull factor & staunch the flow.

If this was anywhere close to true? We would have MILLIONS of illegal workers in the US BEFORE Trump showed up.

It's just not true. You can tell me you don't like Biden until you're blue in the face...this issue isn't ten minutes old.

The problem can no longer be denied & discounted as Faux News. Sharing the pain with the sanctuary cities broke the logjam.

Wanna bet? They can, and have, ignored our POS immigration system for DECADES. Hell, as I've pointed out, not even 9/11 could get them off their *sses in the name of security.

And Trump's about to kill reform for AT LEAST another year and a half with a couple of phone calls.

I'd be DELIGHTED to be wrong. But we're dealing with the consequences of nominating a vengeful Trump AGAIN. Cowardly R's are afraid of being on his sh(t list.

We don't even know yet what's in the Senate bi-partisan compromise bill. We don't know what Biden will agree to.
Until we see that, we can't judge if it will close the asylum loophole, stop catch & release & staunch the flow, or if it's just a way to temporarily ease the crisis by speeding up the processing & distribution throughout the country.

No. We don't. Point is, it doesn't matter one bit if Republicans play the same petty game they've been playing since Obama showed up, and stop ANY bill that looks good for a Dem POTUS. Aren't you sick of this game yet?

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot ... 7e55bedaa5

More than 1,230 people have been charged with federal crimes in the riot, ranging from misdemeanor offenses like trespassing to felonies like assaulting police officers and seditious conspiracy. Roughly 730 people have pleaded guilty to charges, while another roughly 170 have been convicted of at least one charge at a trial decided by a judge or a jury, according to an Associated Press database.

Only two defendants have been acquitted of all charges, and those were trials decided by a judge rather than a jury.

Yes, it was a large riot. What charges were convicted or pleaded to.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/opini ... 514508001/
Jan. 6 wasn't an insurrection. Stop calling it what it isn’t.

Words have meaning.

The events of Jan. 6 have been described by Senator Schumer as a date that will live in infamy — harkening back to FDR’s words after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Others have compared Jan. 6 with 9-11. Some historians declared it to be the worst act of rebellion since the nation’s founding, while others believe there’s been nothing like it since the Civil War. The news media and the Left use “insurrection” to describe Jan. 6.

They’re all wrong.

Historically, Shays’ Rebellion (1786-1787), the Whiskey Rebellion (1790), and Fries Rebellion (1799) were actual acts of insurrection.

Post-Civil War, the Wilmington Insurrection (1898) is by far worse than Jan. 6. Another one, the Battle of Athens, TN (1946), involved local armed WWII GIs taking over the town, forcing the corrupt sheriff to hide in the jail clinging to the election ballot boxes, until he finally surrendered and the GIs’ candidate won the election. There were the L.A. riots of 1992.

And the BLM riots during the summer of 2020 caused 18 deaths, over $1 billion dollars in damage, including federal and state buildings, and in some cities sovereign nations were declared.

Jan. 6. caused $1.5 million in damage and, despite what was often reported, one person was killed. An unarmed woman, Ashley Babbitt, was shot by a Capitol police officer. The officer’s interview on NBC resulted in more questions than answers about why he fired his weapon and killed Babbitt.

The word insurrection is a legal term. Under federal law it’s a crime to incite or engage in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the U.S. or its laws. Black’s Law Dictionary defines insurrection as “a violent revolt against oppressive authority.” It is to be distinguished from a mob or riot based on organization of an armed uprising. Mobs and riots can involve unlawful and violent acts, but they aren’t necessarily insurrections. A revolt is an act to overthrow the government. Insurrection, therefore, requires an organized group that plans an attack to overthrow the government.

To date, a small percentage of the approximately 725 charged have been accused of violent crimes, and no charges of rebellion or insurrection have been filed. Around 165 have pled guilty to charges — mostly to misdemeanors. Only 30 were given jail time. The FBI investigation has yielded little evidence of a coordinated and organized attack. Instead, 95 percent of the participants were acting individually.

An AP story intending to link Trump to the riot published some of the comments made by participants during court appearances. None of them stated that the event was planned. Indeed, most indicated they didn’t really know why they did it. They said they felt inspired by Trump’s comments and believed the election was fraudulent, but there was no organized or coordinated plan to attack the Capitol.

Most of the Jan. 6 participants have been charged with trespass. One local man was at the Capitol dressed as George Washington for selfies. A woman from Missouri recently admitted being at the Capitol and stealing a broken sign.

Video footage shows people walking single file past idle officers as they entered the building. Afterward, most exited on their own accord.

Very few were arrested that day. Since Jan. 6, the DOJ has used a campaign of “shock and awe” to round up and detain people, again predominantly charged with misdemeanors. Compared with the BLM riots, prosecutors do seem more zealous about Jan. 6. Yet, insurrection charges haven’t been filed.

Confrontation between officers and rioters did happen. Violence definitely occurred. But, the only shot fired was, again, by the officer who killed Babbitt.

Jan. 6 was a horrible event. People who acted violently or damaged property should be prosecuted. Those who unlawfully trespassed should also be prosecuted. But as bad as Jan. 6 actually was, it was not the worst in American history. It can’t be compared to Pearl Harbor or 9-11. It’s not even the worst this century.

Because words have meaning, Jan. 6 can’t be called an “insurrection” just to satisfy the urge to convey a particular seriousness of the event or to propagate a political narrative. This type of narrative is aimed at silencing conservatives, not describing what happened that day. Most participants were not violent people. They weren’t acting as part of a coordinated rebellion. There was no intent to topple the government. They were impassioned citizens at a rally that turned into a riot. It was shameful, but not an insurrection.

That’s his opinion. He’s wrong on the facts…

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/12139610 ... -on-ballot

[old salt]

Trump did eveything the law allowed & some that it didn't. He did disincentivize & reduce the pull factors, slowing the flow. It will never be closed until the asylum law loophole is closed & there are adequate detention facilities to halt catch & release. That will reduce the pull factor & staunch the flow.

If this was anywhere close to true? We would have MILLIONS of illegal workers in the US BEFORE Trump showed up.

It's just not true. You can tell me you don't like Biden until you're blue in the face...this issue isn't ten minutes old.

The problem can no longer be denied & discounted as Faux News. Sharing the pain with the sanctuary cities broke the logjam.

Wanna bet? They can, and have, ignored our POS immigration system for DECADES. Hell, as I've pointed out, not even 9/11 could get them off their *sses in the name of security.

And Trump's about to kill reform for AT LEAST another year and a half with a couple of phone calls.

I'd be DELIGHTED to be wrong. But we're dealing with the consequences of nominating a vengeful Trump AGAIN. Cowardly R's are afraid of being on his sh(t list.

We don't even know yet what's in the Senate bi-partisan compromise bill. We don't know what Biden will agree to.
Until we see that, we can't judge if it will close the asylum loophole, stop catch & release & staunch the flow, or if it's just a way to temporarily ease the crisis by speeding up the processing & distribution throughout the country.

No. We don't. Point is, it doesn't matter one bit if Republicans play the same petty game they've been playing since Obama showed up, and stop ANY bill that looks good for a Dem POTUS. Aren't you sick of this game yet?

Sure I am, but it's not the same game. You just want to blame the (R)'s, but they are right not to expect Biden to act in good faith, given all his executive actions to roll back what Trump had put into place. The (R)'s haven't stopped any bill yet that closes the asylum loophole, prevents the parole exception from being abused & stops catch & release, because no such bill has yet to be offered, other than HR 2 & the Dignity Act. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & Trump is backing them. Biden & the Senate are going to have to give if they expect anything to pass before the election & they still expect to tie Ukraine & Israel aid to it. All Biden's been saying is that Congress won't give him more money because they know he'll just use it to enhance catch & release, doing nothing to deter or slow the flow. That's not speculation. We've seen what Biden's done the last 3 years.

[cradleandshoot]

Why is it I have the impression a certain someone is at the starting blocks impatiently waiting to run a victory lap? Hallelujah and praise the Lord, the disaster at the southern border has been fixed. This is starting to resemble a classic version of a dog and pony show. The only thing that confuses me is why the Rs are willing to hand Biden a victory on this? The devil will be in the details. Is this a serious, well thought out solution? Is it something cobbled together at the last minute so Joe can try and save face? Will it actually help solve the disaster at the southern border? Maybe every year should be treated as an election year? That is the only thing that seems to motive your run of the mill politician to actually appear to be doing something positive.

[youthathletics]

Why is it I have the impression a certain someone is at the starting blocks impatiently waiting to run a victory lap? Hallelujah and praise the Lord, the disaster at the southern border has been fixed. This is starting to resemble a classic version of a dog and pony show. The only thing that confuses me is why the Rs are willing to hand Biden a victory on this? The devil will be in the details. Is this a serious, well thought out solution? Is it something cobbled together at the last minute so Joe can try and save face? Will it actually help solve the disaster at the southern border? Maybe every year should be treated as an election year? That is the only thing that seems to motive your run of the mill politician to actually appear to be doing something positive.

It's the way of political dogma. Create and/or exacerbate a problem, to the point its noticeable to all, while also already having the solution(s). The rub, is making certain the egos (lined pockets) of everyone voting 'yea' is well established.

I hope BIden gets credit, that may very well tip the scales in a big way to send Trump in a tailspin.

TEXAS asking for volunteers: https://tmd.texas.gov/operation-lone-st ... rt-mission

[youthathletics]

Biden admitting his failed policy: https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1750722706675253277?s=20

[cradleandshoot]

Why is it I have the impression a certain someone is at the starting blocks impatiently waiting to run a victory lap? Hallelujah and praise the Lord, the disaster at the southern border has been fixed. This is starting to resemble a classic version of a dog and pony show. The only thing that confuses me is why the Rs are willing to hand Biden a victory on this? The devil will be in the details. Is this a serious, well thought out solution? Is it something cobbled together at the last minute so Joe can try and save face? Will it actually help solve the disaster at the southern border? Maybe every year should be treated as an election year? That is the only thing that seems to motive your run of the mill politician to actually appear to be doing something positive.

It's the way of political dogma. Create and/or exacerbate a problem, to the point its noticeable to all, while also already having the solution(s). The rub, is making certain the egos (lined pockets) of everyone voting 'yea' is well established.

I hope BIden gets credit, that may very well tip the scales in a big way to send Trump in a tailspin.

TEXAS asking for volunteers: https://tmd.texas.gov/operation-lone-st ... rt-mission

I wonder if the Pelosi principle comes in to play here? You know the one that says they have to vote for the bill so they can find out what is in the bill. Nobody will know for sure until the final hashed out version becomes known to the public. Heck, maybe the Rs can join President Biden in that victory lap.