Our Undeclared Wars

[old salt]

F-18's from the Ike are conducting the bulk of the strikes on the Houthi sites in Yemen. Imho -- this is the most cost effective way to deal with this threat. Much less costly than cruise missiles & air defense missiles expended from our destroyers. Our carrier would be at sea anyway. Their jets would be flying anyway. Might as well have them drop cheap dumb bombs, with precision GPS kits attached, on the known Houthi targets, mobile & fixed.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... n=20240122

U.S. fighter jets struck Iranian-backed Houthi rebel sites for the sixth time Friday, taking out three anti-ship missiles in Yemen that were prepared to fire, according to U.S. officials.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing military operations, said the strikes were carried out by F/A-18 aircraft off the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier. And they resembled similar U.S. attacks on Houthi launchers that have been occurring almost daily this week.

In a statement later Friday, U.S. Central Command said the strike was at about 6:45 p.m. local time in Sanaa, Yemen's capital, and that the missiles were aimed into the southern Red Sea and were prepared to launch. It said the U.S. determined they presented an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the U.S. Navy ships in the region, and so struck them in self-defense. The statement did not say how the strikes were carried out.

President Joe Biden acknowledged Thursday that the bombardment of Houthi sites, including a massive array of strikes on Jan. 12 by U.S. and British forces, has yet to stop the militants’ attacks on vessels in the Red Sea that have disrupted global shipping.

Al-Masirah, a Houthi-run satellite news channel, said there were air raids in the western city of Hodieda on Friday, targeting the al-Jabaana neighborhood in the west of the city. The location of the U.S. strikes could not be immediately confirmed.

U.S. warships and aircraft, in rapid succession, have taken out Houthi missiles poised to launch over the past few days, underscoring the military's increasing ability to watch, detect and strike militant activities in Yemen.

At the White House, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby noted the uptick in preemptive missions.

"This is the fourth preemptive action that the U.S. military has taken in the past week against Houthi missile launchers that were ready to launch attacks, in this case, anti-ship missiles,” he said, adding that the self-defense strikes are aimed at improving security in the shipping lanes.

But so far the strikes have not deterred Houthi attacks on ships in the southern Red Sea or Gulf of Aden, which also have been happening nearly daily.

The Biden administration put the Houthis back on its list of specially designated global terrorists. The sanctions that come with the formal designation are meant to sever violent extremist groups from their sources of financing, while also allowing vital humanitarian aid to continue flowing to impoverished Yemenis. And the White House has made it clear that the retaliatory strikes will also continue.

“They continue to have offensive capability, and they still continue to be willing to use it," Kirby said. "We also have plenty of defense capability available to us and we continue to use it as well.”

For months, the Houthis have attacked ships in the Red Sea that they say are either linked to Israel or heading to Israeli ports. They say their attacks aim to end the Israeli air-and-ground offensive in the Gaza Strip that was triggered by the Palestinian militant group Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel. But the links to the ships targeted in the rebel assaults have grown more tenuous as the attacks continue.

[old salt]

Brett McGurk's on the move :

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/21/us/p ... _d1_dbrief

Critics of Mr. Biden have complained that he has been too passive, even after the United States launched six airstrikes in 10 days against Houthi forces. The Houthis have been attacking merchant and military vessels in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden in what they call retaliation for Israel’s military operations against Hamas in Gaza.

The critics contend that Mr. Biden has emboldened Iran by not acting more firmly, not just since Oct. 7 but also through his whole administration. Mr. Biden has unsuccessfully tried to negotiate a new agreement with Iran that would restrain its nuclear weapons program, and he facilitated the release of frozen Iranian assets in exchange for the release of Americans held prisoner.

Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, derided the American operations against the Houthis as “very limited pinprick strikes against a bunch of goat herders in Yemen” and asserted that Mr. Biden had not moved strongly enough to deter Iran. “Joe Biden’s weakness and indecision and half measures have failed totally to protect Americans,” he said on the Hugh Hewitt radio show last week.

The White House has rejected the argument that Mr. Biden has been too soft on Iran, pointing to sanctions that his administration has imposed on 500 individuals, companies or government entities. “There’s been a lot of effort here to hold Iran accountable for their destabilizing activities,” John F. Kirby, a spokesman for the National Security Council, said on Friday.

There are so many brush fires and so many players with matches in the region that it is not hard to imagine the conflict deteriorating into something even deadlier. Israel continues to hammer Hamas in Gaza while exchanging fire across the Lebanese border with Hezbollah, taking on two groups backed by Iran, even as American troops fight with Houthis in Yemen and militias in Iraq and Syria. Iran blamed Israel for an airstrike on Damascus, Syria, on Saturday that killed five Iranian military figures. Iran for its part has fired missiles into Iraq, Syria and Pakistan, prompting Pakistan to mount its own airstrike against Iran.

Mr. Biden’s team is trying to manage all those flashpoints at the same time it is trying to find a way to press Israel to scale back its war against Hamas to a more surgical operation with fewer civilian casualties. So far, according to Gaza health officials, more than 25,000 people have been killed, some of them Hamas combatants but most of them women and children.

A senior Biden administration official was leaving for the region on Sunday to seek a new agreement between Israel and Hamas to release some or all of the 120 hostages still believed to be held in exchange for at least a pause in the fighting, according to two American officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of diplomatic sensitivities.

The official, Brett McGurk, the president’s Middle East coordinator, planned to travel to Cairo to meet with Abbas Kamel, the chief of Egypt’s General Intelligence Service and widely considered the nation’s second-most-powerful official. As part of the trip, previously reported by Axios, Mr. McGurk will also head to Doha, Qatar, to meet with the country’s prime minister, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim al-Thani.

At the same time, administration officials said they were worried the conflict in the region might be getting worse, not better.

“We have to guard against and be vigilant against the possibility that, in fact, rather than heading towards de-escalation, we are on a path of escalation that we have to manage,” Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser, said last week during an appearance at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

“It remains a central locus of our strategy,” he added. “Try to ensure that we manage escalation across the Middle East to the maximum extent possible, taking every possible measure that we can in that regard, and ultimately get on a path of diplomacy and de-escalation.”

[youthathletics]

Names released: https://www.nsw.navy.mil/PRESS-ROOM/New ... es-at-sea/

Navy Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Christopher J. Chambers



Navy Special Warfare Operator 2nd Class Nathan Gage Ingram

Heroes Lost. RIP.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... n=20240122

According to officials, the Jan. 11 raid targeted an unflagged ship carrying illicit Iranian-made weapons to the Houthi rebels in Yemen. Officials have said that as the team was boarding the ship, one of the SEALs went under in the heavy seas, and a teammate went in to try and save him.

The commandos had launched from the USS Lewis B. Puller, a mobile sea base, and they were backed by drones and helicopters. They loaded onto small special operations combat craft driven by naval special warfare crew to get to the boat.

In the raid, they seized an array of Iranian-made weaponry, including cruise and ballistic missile components such as propulsion and guidance devices and warheads, as well as air defense parts, Central Command said. It marked the latest seizure by the U.S. Navy and its allies of weapon shipments bound for the rebels, who have launched a series of attacks now threatening global trade in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden over Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The seized missile components included types likely used in those attacks.

The U.S. Navy ultimately sunk the ship carrying the weapons after deeming it unsafe, Central Command said. The ship’s 14 crew were detained.

Chambers was a local, from Bowie, MD. Went to McNamara and swam for UMD.

Sure makes you wonder what the hell happened that they did not have any PFD's or beacons to buy them added time. Especially with drones and choppers already in the air. So frustrating to not have answers and have to blindly accept a statement.

[old salt]

Names released: https://www.nsw.navy.mil/PRESS-ROOM/New ... es-at-sea/

Navy Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Christopher J. Chambers



Navy Special Warfare Operator 2nd Class Nathan Gage Ingram

Heroes Lost. RIP.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... n=20240122

According to officials, the Jan. 11 raid targeted an unflagged ship carrying illicit Iranian-made weapons to the Houthi rebels in Yemen. Officials have said that as the team was boarding the ship, one of the SEALs went under in the heavy seas, and a teammate went in to try and save him.

The commandos had launched from the USS Lewis B. Puller, a mobile sea base, and they were backed by drones and helicopters. They loaded onto small special operations combat craft driven by naval special warfare crew to get to the boat.

In the raid, they seized an array of Iranian-made weaponry, including cruise and ballistic missile components such as propulsion and guidance devices and warheads, as well as air defense parts, Central Command said. It marked the latest seizure by the U.S. Navy and its allies of weapon shipments bound for the rebels, who have launched a series of attacks now threatening global trade in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden over Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The seized missile components included types likely used in those attacks.

The U.S. Navy ultimately sunk the ship carrying the weapons after deeming it unsafe, Central Command said. The ship’s 14 crew were detained.

Chambers was a local, from Bowie, MD. Went to McNamara and swam for UMD.

Sure makes you wonder what the hell happened that they did not have any PFD's or beacons to buy them added time. Especially with drones and choppers already in the air. So frustrating to not have answers and have to blindly accept a statement.

They should have had PFD's with UV strobes since they arrived in a RIB. They would not have been in dive gear.
Gage fell in while boarding. Chambers went in to try to help him. We'll learn more details when the investigation is complete.

[old salt]

Names released: https://www.nsw.navy.mil/PRESS-ROOM/New ... es-at-sea/

Navy Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Christopher J. Chambers



Navy Special Warfare Operator 2nd Class Nathan Gage Ingram

Heroes Lost. RIP.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... n=20240122

According to officials, the Jan. 11 raid targeted an unflagged ship carrying illicit Iranian-made weapons to the Houthi rebels in Yemen. Officials have said that as the team was boarding the ship, one of the SEALs went under in the heavy seas, and a teammate went in to try and save him.

The commandos had launched from the USS Lewis B. Puller, a mobile sea base, and they were backed by drones and helicopters. They loaded onto small special operations combat craft driven by naval special warfare crew to get to the boat.

In the raid, they seized an array of Iranian-made weaponry, including cruise and ballistic missile components such as propulsion and guidance devices and warheads, as well as air defense parts, Central Command said. It marked the latest seizure by the U.S. Navy and its allies of weapon shipments bound for the rebels, who have launched a series of attacks now threatening global trade in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden over Israel’s war on Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The seized missile components included types likely used in those attacks.

The U.S. Navy ultimately sunk the ship carrying the weapons after deeming it unsafe, Central Command said. The ship’s 14 crew were detained.

Chambers was a local, from Bowie, MD. Went to McNamara and swam for UMD.

Sure makes you wonder what the hell happened that they did not have any PFD's or beacons to buy them added time. Especially with drones and choppers already in the air. So frustrating to not have answers and have to blindly accept a statement.

They should have had PFD's with UV strobes since they arrived in a RIB. They would not have been in dive gear.
Gage fell in while boarding. Chambers went in to try to help him. We'll learn more details when the investigation is complete.

[cradleandshoot]

This is especially troubling because I'm certain this is a scenario that SEALS train for all of the time. Obviously there is a world of difference between training and what happens in the real world. Pitch black darkness and 8 foot swells are tough to recreate in any training scenario.

[Kismet]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/24/politics ... index.html

"US and Iraqi governments expected to start talks on future of US military presence in the country

On Wednesday, Iraq’s foreign minister hinted at the coming discussions, saying in a statement that he met with the US Ambassador to Baghdad, Elena Romanowski, and “received from her an important message from the American government to the Iraqi government, which will be studied by the Prime Minister and the relevant concerned authorities. Next steps will be taken regarding it soon.”

The US also has a presence in Syria to fight ISIS, but administration officials told CNN that a withdrawal from that country is not under consideration.

“The Biden Administration is not considering a withdrawal of forces from Syria,” a senior US official told CNN. "

[cradleandshoot]

Is this a game changer? Hoooties launched an anti ship ballistic missile at the USS Carney. Could this be defined as an act of war? It could just be target practice by the Hoooties? To paraphrase Joe Biden...this is a big effing deal. What type of measured response is required?

IMO this is a pivotal moment for President Biden. Stern warnings are no longer a viable option. I don't know what Biden will do or what options are available. This is where any president needs really good people advising him.

[dislaxxic]

Is this a game changer? Hoooties launched an anti ship ballistic missile at the USS Carney.

Hey Cranky! You sure it wasn't just some Hoooties girls launched a FLARE at the ship hoping to lure them some Swabbies with they pockets JINGLIN'!

[Kismet]

Is this a game changer? Hoooties launched an anti ship ballistic missile at the USS Carney. Could this be defined as an act of war? It could just be target practice by the Hoooties? To paraphrase Joe Biden...this is a big effing deal. What type of measured response is required?

IMO this is a pivotal moment for President Biden. Stern warnings are no longer a viable option. I don't know what Biden will do or what options are available. This is where any president needs really good people advising him.

Not the first time they targeted a US Navy warship - cool your jets We're hitting as many targets as we can find and interdicting shipborne assets from Iran to Yemen.

What's YOUR plan?

[cradleandshoot]

Is this a game changer? Hoooties launched an anti ship ballistic missile at the USS Carney. Could this be defined as an act of war? It could just be target practice by the Hoooties? To paraphrase Joe Biden...this is a big effing deal. What type of measured response is required?

IMO this is a pivotal moment for President Biden. Stern warnings are no longer a viable option. I don't know what Biden will do or what options are available. This is where any president needs really good people advising him.

Not the first time they targeted a US Navy warship - cool your jets We're hitting as many targets as we can find and interdicting shipborne assets from Iran to Yemen.

What's YOUR plan?

My plan starts with making sure a very expensive navy destroyer doesn't wind up at the bottom of the drink. People launching anti ship missiles at it is probably frowned on by the U S Navy. Rumor has it those Navy folks are very fond of their vessels. What really needs to happen is for President Biden to share what HIS plan is.

I don't think that is an unrealistic request of the CiC. After all he is ultimately the one responsible for this ship.

What is that frequently used term? We have to be right 100% of the time. They only have to get lucky once.

Unless your comfortable knowing that we will always get it right a 100% of the time?

[cradleandshoot]

Is this a game changer? Hoooties launched an anti ship ballistic missile at the USS Carney.

Hey Cranky! You sure it wasn't just some Hoooties girls launched a FLARE at the ship hoping to lure them some Swabbies with they pockets JINGLIN'!

They are armed with an impressive array of missiles.

[cradleandshoot]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

[Kismet]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

[cradleandshoot]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

[Kismet]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk

[cradleandshoot]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk

Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.

[Kismet]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk

Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.

Stop worrying. Valium, maybe?

[cradleandshoot]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk

Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.

Stop worrying. Valium, maybe?

No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be

[Farfromgeneva]

I did a little digging. An AB destroyer fully decked out with all the bells and whistles clocks in at 2 billion dollars. That explains why the Navy is so overprotective of them. I did some rough math... AB destroyer is harder to replace and a tad bit more expensive than a container ship. I was as surprised as y'all are.

USN ships are covered by an extensive multi-layered defense system against the weapons the bad guys are using. There is an entire carrier battle group in the area with Aegis cruisers, GM destroyers and boatloads of other weaponry.

Calm down.

So it is virtually impossible to sink an Aegis cruiser?? I'm perfectly calm, nobody is launching missiles my way. Those Hoooties are just fooling themselves. I wonder if the CO of the USS Carney shares your devil may care positive attitude? I sure has hell would be concerned if somebody was shooting at me. Relay this message to the CO of the Carney...foggettaboutit. NBD

I'm sure the Navy is alert but generally not too worried about their ships being sunk

Neither was the captain of the Titanic. After all, the Titanic was "UNSINKABLE. Correct me if I'm wrong but icebergs don't travel at supersonic speed.

If 19 bad actors armed with box cutters can bring down the twin towers and collect a broadside hit on the Pentagon then I think the Hoooties might have a say in this argument. You really must learn to think outside of the box. Strictly for reference I have bookmarked our back and forth on this issue. I truly hope that your correct. I forget that high tech state of the art multi layered defense systems are practically invulnerable. Silly me, I remember the Japanese deployed hundreds of Kamikazes attacking our ships all at the same time. I believe they were referred to as coordinated attacks. All it took was one diver bomber planting itself on the deck of a flat top to take out that carrier
Some food for thought for you Kiz, strait up I don't know the answer. How many inbound missiles can an Aegis destroyer engage at one time? What is the answer? Is it one... Is it ten... Is it twenty... What if a hundred missiles are inbound all at the same? This is where you get to put your thinking cap on finally. I would suggest, since your a smart person to try thinking outside of the box. It is pure arrogance to believe your not never at risk. That includes people and state of the art highly advanced ships at sea.

Stop worrying. Valium, maybe?

No way, I'm on Oxycodone after my 4th shoulder surgery. Even on drugs and a little bit loopy and I still think I make make more sense than you. As a matter of fact I hope the Navy higher ups have informed the Captain of the USS Carney that his CiC has the situation all under control.
Don't worry...be

Oxy. And to be clear this is recent, not like youve been taking Oxy since, say, whenever I started interacting with you proving your behavior here right?

So you’re taking prescribed or otherwise, a drug that’s ruined many people’s lives, doctors have abused it, the producers have paid a $8Bn settlement for doing illegal things such that everyone wants them out of society and believes them (Purdue family) to be criminals. And take this myopic position on illegal drugs because the govt you don’t trust and hate said Oxy is ok. All the stuff you’ve written about other drugs and then you take it all things, prescribed or not, Oxycodone?

Sadly, that’s totally logical to me…