Thank you for your response. I thought I explained it to very clearly. I will try again one more time. Are you paying attention??? On multiple occasions on posts that I made you chided me for spouting Fox News talking points. On multiple occasions I politely reminded you that I don't listen to FOX news. The fact that I still have to remind you of what you said to me multiple times only makes you look clueless. The fact you don't remember our back and forth on this over a long period of times tells me all I need to know. You can't remember chit also called CRS. The other more likely option is you have no respect for what I say to you so much so it isn't worth your bother to even remember it. Does that clear it up for you? Probably not but you can't ever tell me I didn't try. So do you get it NOW???? I don't listen to FOX and I'm not brainwashed by FOX. Please acknowledge that you finally get it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:11 pmTragic decision; note the bolded above.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:59 pmHere in Upstate NY Rockefeller will always be despised and hated and loathed for his decision to retake Attica prison in 1971. You might recall that his order to retake the prison by force caused the deaths of 29 BLACK inmates who were shot to death in the assault not including the hostage guards that also died. So for a Rockefeller liberal Republican so hypersensitive about the rights of black folks kindly don't forget that one of your iconic heroes had no problem at all authorizing the murder of black inmates. That is just in case you forget like you are prone to do rather frequently .MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:36 pmI refreshed my memory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefellercradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:01 amSo what was your personal opinion of Nelson Rockefeller? A pretty simple and straightforward question. He couldn't have been "before your time" You have a few years on me and I remember Nelsons legacy in NYS very clearly. FTR, my memory is much better than yours. I do remember comments you have made in the past. I know you love doing research like this...pull out your shovel and start digging....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 10:36 amBefore my time...as was Ike. Lincoln too!cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:38 amThrow the flag. I implore you to do so. Throw the mother effing flag. You would be doing me a huge solid... The people on this forum, few as they may be understand who and what you are. I have enough PMs from them that agree with me. You and your Nelson Rockefeller blue blood pathetic ass Republicans are as out of touch with reality as could possibly be. Can you refresh my memory as to why you love Nelson so much?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:16 amI try to uniformly, regardless of agreement or disagreement with the particular viewpoints. I just think going off harshly personally serves little purpose, but I do think that it's important to "play the tape" before 'throwing the flag' on just the last responder.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:36 amNo need to follow the discussion closely. If anyone questions craddle's authenticity about those serving, well, then....they are gaslighting him when they imply he does not.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:07 amDid you follow closely the discussion?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:52 am Nattyboh - "all I get from your response is you obviously don't care about US military personnel today. "
Gaslighting defined!
If not, might want to read or re-read post after post after post of cradle's diatribes and personal attacks, and avoidance of a serious question, again and again and again.
Or were you giving nattyboh a high five for serving cradle a bit of his own medicine in his last retort?
Seriously, I think the personal attacks are over the top and do nothing to illuminate the topics. Jibes can be fun, but some of the angry stuff doesn't serve any productive purpose. IMO.
Not answering a question(s) from some fellow posters is not uncommon, especially when we know the MO's, which is often a flex and control of the conversation, while forcing the other to defend themselves from gaslighting claims.
And I agree. I wished you'd call them out more often. You let the best of your fanlax friends around here slide regularly.
In this case, it takes just a couple of pages of 'tape' reading to see the repeated straightforward question that cradle avoided. It was posted out again and again, bolded and then larger bold.
It's not controlling the conversation to ask that a basic point be acknowledged. Instead, cradle responded as if he thought there was an entirely different question, again and again, refusing to acknowledge other poster's basic point...and so, instead of acknowledging, he attacks the fellow poster personally, saying they obviously "don't care" about injured and killed military personnel pre 2020. When they rebut that obvious and offensive mistruth, he doubles down with:
"All I get from your response is that you don't care. That is not a big surprise to me. Maybe you should try extricating your head from your anus. The fresh air will do you a world of good. FTR, even up my anus the sun shines brightly and the fresh air flows freely."
No one is questioning cradle's "authenticity", simply that he refuses to acknowledge that military personnel since Biden took office have not been killed by Iranian proxies...a good thing, right? But cradle refuses to acknowledge this good thing, "doesn't care" that people haven't been killed...it's a retort to a very personal and rather dumb personal insult. A slap back.
I'm not going to throw the flag on the last when it's so much less offensive than the prior. I'm throwing the flag on the repeated strikes by the former.
And by that I'm not meaning I've reported it, but it's getting over the top IMO.
Reagan, HW...in my time.
But yeah, governance from the middle, respecting pluralism, are consistent with my values.
Extremism no.
As to flags, I try to reserve them for when things get so toxic that it likely turns readers off to ever participating.
He died before I cast my first vote for President.
I'd definitely associate myself ideologically with the liberal/moderate wing of the Republican Party, which he represented ala Ike, TR, Lincoln rather than the Goldwater wing, McCarthy wing. Reagan came up through the Goldwater wing, but even he'd be a RINO in today's MAGA Party.
Mac Mathias would be a good fit overlapping Rockefeller; up your way a little later, Jack Kemp.
Rockefeller had a quite accomplished long life in public service and policy. I would not ascribe to 100% of his views, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. As a politician, winning the Governorship of NYS four straight time, like Pataki's more recent 3 times, indicates that New York is willing to vote for moderate Republicans over Dems. 4 times is very impressive. Probably drove your Democrat family crazy?
The "Communist State of Massachusetts" is quite willing to vote Republican, most recently Baker, Romney, Swift, Celluci, Weld...
My very blue state of Maryland...Hogan most recently...would have won again, but we have a two term cap.
I guess I can brag about my memory vs your memory here. I've responded to your posts multiple times where you opined that I've been brainwashed by FOX news. I've informed you multiple times I don't listen to FOX news. So I asked myself why would that be? Then your denseness and demeanor answered it for me. You don't give a f**k about anything I say to you. I'm just an insignificant no nothing peon as far as your concerned. It explains why I can tell you something time and time again and it goes in one ear and right the other. That is your arrogance and elitism shining through.
So just to impress you, I remember your telling us all about those mother effing rednecks who stood up and sang Dixie at your elitist private old rich white guys party. You profusely apologized to every black person afterwards that would listen to your pasty faced old white guy apology. You ready to apologize to the families of all those black folks who your hero Nelson gunned down in cold blood in that courtyard of Attica prison? That should be pretty easy for you to do? Your pretty god damn good when it comes to apologizing to black people for injustices they have had to endure. Does that include the injustice dealt out by your hero Nelson at Attica prison?
As always....GO BILLS......
I hope someday Old Sod you address your chronic case of CRS with your doctor. How many times on average does someone have to tell you the same thing before you finally remember it?
Just guessing, but from your other comments on here about what the police should have done on January 6, I'd bet you and your family thought very differently at the time...only in the aftermath did you perhaps reconsider? Or is only now that you think police should be much tougher?
Rockefeller, himself, responded in the months following quite differently, hopefully horrified by the outcome.
On the "rednecks", it was a bunch of wannabe "Southerners". Over half the crowd. 1988. I was 31. I'm glad my table responded entirely differently and I'm glad that I spoke with the staff right away. It apparently meant something, as it was remembered 30 years later as the now top staff manager retired.
I have no idea why you keep bringing up Fox when I don't mention it at all in exchanges with you. But you do you.
Project away with all your insecurities that you're "just an insignificant no nothing peon" in my eyes... in response to my being civil in discussions with you. Discussions I needn't bother to have, but do.
Nice job by the Bills, as I'd predicted yesterday.
Very Good team...looked like the crowd had a lot of fun with the snow after each score!
Just out of curiosity how many times does someone have to tell you the same thing over and over and over before you finally understand? Are you really Joe Biden?? That would explain a lot.
If your wife tells you to take out the garbage do you understand that request the first time she asks you?? What happens if she has to ask you 5 times?? I'm assuming that taking out the garbage is not beneath your dignity.