NESCAC

[choochooCharlie]

… it shows the obsession some have with the NESCAC to think that a rational response to an argument that Babson isn't one of the top 10 schools in the country is that Babson is stronger than a lower ranked NESCAC…

?? It’s a NESCAC thread, so it should come as little surprise that the NESCAC will likely, and certainly should be, spoken of in any comparison/argument/hypothesis’ contained herein. The obsession some have with the NESCAC was made apparent throughout the last 10+ pages of spastic responses to a person (troll or otherwise) who dared suggest that they aren’t the lacrosse equivalents of certain low/mid DI teams.

[shorelax12]

… it shows the obsession some have with the NESCAC to think that a rational response to an argument that Babson isn't one of the top 10 schools in the country is that Babson is stronger than a lower ranked NESCAC…

?? It’s a NESCAC thread, so it should come as little surprise that the NESCAC will likely, and certainly should be, spoken of in any comparison/argument/hypothesis’ contained herein. The obsession some have with the NESCAC was made apparent throughout the last 10+ pages of spastic responses to a person (troll or otherwise) who dared suggest that they aren’t the lacrosse equivalents of certain low/mid DI teams.

Hoping that the forum does not spin out of control on this topic, but no matter what you think of Babson or lower level NESCAC academics, the fact is that you simply cannot compare the two schools, its like comparing law school to medical school. This is not a NESCAC fanboy reaction, just a fact.

[laxdad1434]

Ohhhh Yeah!!!

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

BIG10 SCHOOLS LIKE LOW LEVEL D1 PLAYERS
Danny Brady Senior Goalie Wagner Ohio State
Colin Kelly RS-Sophomore Attack Canisius Rutgers

[Unknown Participant]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

BIG10 SCHOOLS LIKE LOW LEVEL D1 PLAYERS
Danny Brady Senior Goalie Wagner Ohio State
Colin Kelly RS-Sophomore Attack Canisius Rutgers

Will Marks GK went from LIU to Cuse.

A St. Joe's (I think) GK went to Duke a few years back.

[deucewarton]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Mullane did not see much time at Maryland, but it was due to injury. In preseason scrimmages he was out there with some of the top guys. It would have been nice to see how he would have done if injuries had not gotten in the way.

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

BIG10 SCHOOLS LIKE LOW LEVEL D1 PLAYERS
Danny Brady Senior Goalie Wagner Ohio State
Colin Kelly RS-Sophomore Attack Canisius Rutgers

Will Marks GK went from LIU to Cuse.

A St. Joe's (I think) GK went to Duke a few years back.

Yep
Imagine the damage this kid would have done to NECAC teams? Not good enough to play high level D1 though

https://gogriffs.com/sports/mens-lacros ... kelly/7486

[Laxxal22]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

You do understand “stars” complete BS? If you show up at a IL sponsored event you can earn stars. It’s marketing.

[Laxxal22]

Is everything "complete BS" other than what aligns with your worldview? The kid was also a 4-year starter for one of the top high school programs in the country, a two-time All-American, as well as a Wave 1 selection in the New Balance All America game. I mean yeah, he'd probably ride pine at Bates but I imagine OSU put a lot of resources into getting him. He's gonna get first crack at that job.

[laxdad1434]

Is everything "complete BS" other than what aligns with your worldview? The kid was also a 4-year starter for one of the top high school programs in the country, a two-time All-American, as well as a Wave 1 selection in the New Balance All America game. I mean yeah, he'd probably ride pine at Bates but I imagine OSU put a lot of resources into getting him. He's gonna get first crack at that job.

We’ll see, but the Wagner kid isn’t going there to sit.

[choochooCharlie]

Hoping that the forum does not spin out of control on this topic, but no matter what you think of Babson or lower level NESCAC academics, the fact is that you simply cannot compare the two schools, its like comparing law school to medical school. This is not a NESCAC fanboy reaction, just a fact.

That’s a valid point, different paths to chose, but the thing is nobody “compared” the two beyond someone saying they and others would rather see their kid end up at Babson. That to me just means on “name value.” Like saying “I’d rather see my kid at Notre Dame than Hopkins” just to upset a Hopkins fan (as done here to a NESCAC fan with the desired result). Nevermind that ND doesn’t have pre-med, because the career path isn’t the point. The point is to successfully upset a fan. See the below quotes, specifically the bolded portions. Someone took a shot at Babson, so someone took a shot at NESCAC. Everything else is just someone trying to prove wrong the other’s shot.

Good for Babson! I grew up playing hockey there and it was certainly not considered a powerhouse of a school at the time.

Don’t want to sound NESCAC elitist (as my argument against the foolishness of thinking lower tier D1 could beat top D3 is not NESCAC specific) but any list that has Babson as a top 10 academic school in the country is crazier than laxdad.

NESCAC sycophants are in denial...Babson is a fantastic NESCAC adjacent option.. If Jr. wants to study business and entrepreneurship Babson is a premier spot...I know I'm not the only parent who would rather see my kid there than some of the lower ranked NESCAC's....

I completely agree on the Babson point, great school. Where I think that your argument goes a bit sideways is the comparison to "lower ranked NESCACs" As most, but obviously no all, on this forum understand, Babson has a great reputation, and is an amazing place if a student is looking for what they offer. What Babson does not offer, for better or worse, is the wide array of liberal arts courses offered by all of the NESCAC schools. However, if you interest is a strong undergraduate business degree, then other than some of the Ivies, or the other top business schools, Babson is a great option. In fact, some would suggest that the curriculum at Babson is more useful in the real world than that offered at some of the more prominent business programs. No dog in the fight as it relates to Babson, just know a bunch of really smart kids that go there, and play lacrosse, and a lot of very successful Babson grads.

No disrespect meant to Babson and none actually given, despite NNELax repeated instances of trying to put words in someone's mouth. Babson has a great business program, no doubt. That in no way makes it one of the 10 best colleges or universities in the country, it's not even close. That is like saying Johns Hopkins has one of the 10 best athletics programs in the country because their lacrosse is great. And it shows the obsession some have with the NESCAC to think that a rational response to an argument that Babson isn't one of the top 10 schools in the country is that Babson is stronger than a lower ranked NESCAC. Very possibly true, at least for those interested in a career in business. Also completely irrelevant to the question.

[RE6ULATOR]

Who rules NESCAC thread?

Laxdad rules NESCAC thread!

[Unknown Participant]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

BIG10 SCHOOLS LIKE LOW LEVEL D1 PLAYERS
Danny Brady Senior Goalie Wagner Ohio State
Colin Kelly RS-Sophomore Attack Canisius Rutgers

Will Marks GK went from LIU to Cuse.

A St. Joe's (I think) GK went to Duke a few years back.

Yep
Imagine the damage this kid would have done to NECAC teams? Not good enough to play high level D1 though

https://gogriffs.com/sports/mens-lacros ... kelly/7486

As an aside, I don't think Will Marks or Mike Adler (the former St Joe's GK) had the academic chops to get into a top academic school out of HS. But Danowski presumably used the ACC equivalent of a C band on Adler to get him to Durham, and Syracuse is Syracuse in Marks' case.

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

BIG10 SCHOOLS LIKE LOW LEVEL D1 PLAYERS
Danny Brady Senior Goalie Wagner Ohio State
Colin Kelly RS-Sophomore Attack Canisius Rutgers

Will Marks GK went from LIU to Cuse.

A St. Joe's (I think) GK went to Duke a few years back.

Yep
Imagine the damage this kid would have done to NECAC teams? Not good enough to play high level D1 though

https://gogriffs.com/sports/mens-lacros ... kelly/7486

As an aside, I don't think Will Marks or Mike Adler (the former St Joe's GK) had the academic chops to get into a top academic school out of HS. But Danowski presumably used the ACC equivalent of a C band on Adler to get him to Durham, and Syracuse is Syracuse in Marks' case.
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Maybe, but someone on this thread stated it doesn’t happen.

[shorelax12]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

You do understand “stars” complete BS? If you show up at a IL sponsored event you can earn stars. It’s marketing.

I agree as to the validity of the "star" system in general, complete money grab, but the five stars are legit. My son has played against Big Tasty, and several other 5 stars, and I assure you that they are no joke. 3 stars is just a matter of paying the fee

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

You do understand “stars” complete BS? If you show up at a IL sponsored event you can earn stars. It’s marketing.

I agree as to the validity of the "star" system in general, complete money grab, but the five stars are legit. My son has played against Big Tasty, and several other 5 stars, and I assure you that they are no joke. 3 stars is just a matter of paying the fee

Don't doubt he's good, but he's not a 23 yr old with 3.5 D1 seasons under his belt. Wagner may be a low end team, but Brady is guy that had 20 saves against Army. Having a .541 career avg playing on really bad defensive team is no easy feat.

[shorelax12]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

You do understand “stars” complete BS? If you show up at a IL sponsored event you can earn stars. It’s marketing.

I agree as to the validity of the "star" system in general, complete money grab, but the five stars are legit. My son has played against Big Tasty, and several other 5 stars, and I assure you that they are no joke. 3 stars is just a matter of paying the fee

Don't doubt he's good, but he's not a 23 yr old with 3.5 D1 seasons under his belt. Wagner may be a low end team, but Brady is guy that had 20 saves against Army. Having a .541 career avg playing on really bad defensive team is no easy feat.

There is certainly a lot to be said for the experience, but the truth is that the freshman has played against most of the top D1 commits in the country while in high school. In fact, if you look at the St. John's College HS commitments, he was playing against that level of talent every single day in practice. Outside of Army, Wagner was not playing a lot of heavy hitters.

[laxdad1434]

… Boyden, Kohn, Swank, and Bruun. 3of the 4 are going to play big roles at D1 Schools.

Like Donal Mullane big?

He must’ve tore it up in DI, because lit it up in the NESCAC. I admit, I haven’t looked at the DI stats yet.

No impact at all, indeed. Which is a good example of the difference between D3 and the top 10 in D1, which no one has questioned. Very few D3 players could walk on to Maryland for one year and see any time, that is undoubtedly true. It isn’t really relevant though to the beat into the ground question of how top D3 teams would do vs the bottom of D1. No one from Detroit Mercy or Canisius is seeing the field there either.

Canisius and Wagner transfers taking a step up. The goalie from Wagner will start.

https://lacrossebucket.com/2023-college ... l-tracker/

Gotta imagine the OSU goalie job is Big Tasty's to lose. The grad transfer will have to beyond lights out for the coaching staff to risk alienating a 5-star with four years of eligibility.

You do understand “stars” complete BS? If you show up at a IL sponsored event you can earn stars. It’s marketing.

I agree as to the validity of the "star" system in general, complete money grab, but the five stars are legit. My son has played against Big Tasty, and several other 5 stars, and I assure you that they are no joke. 3 stars is just a matter of paying the fee

Don't doubt he's good, but he's not a 23 yr old with 3.5 D1 seasons under his belt. Wagner may be a low end team, but Brady is guy that had 20 saves against Army. Having a .541 career avg playing on really bad defensive team is no easy feat.

There is certainly a lot to be said for the experience, but the truth is that the freshman has played against most of the top D1 commits in the country while in high school. In fact, if you look at the St. John's College HS commitments, he was playing against that level of talent every single day in practice. Outside of Army, Wagner was not playing a lot of heavy hitters.

Anybody playing D1 lacrosse can play, and HS is a not college. We will see when the season starts.

[slippinjimmy]

Trying to start discussion... These are just my thoughts and not set in stone.
With that being said here is how I would expect the NESCAC to look at the end of the spring.

1. Midd
2. Bowdoin
3. Tufts
4. Conn
5. Williams
6. Amherst
7. Trinity
8. Hamilton
9. Wesleyan
10. Colby
11. Bates

Thoughts on this/any changes you would make?

Definitely some hot takes, but I would personally keep tufts 1 until someone takes them down. I know they lost a lot of talent but they always reload. I would also put williams above Conn, and Wesleyan higher.

Def Tufts spot to lose. But Midd and Bowdoin right there with them. Midd looking to ride wave, and Bowdoin is just loaded.

Yep totally agree with the point of Tufts deserving to be one heading into the season since they won it last year, but when you lose your whole starting attack and the teams behind you are still basically the same teams it's hard to justify not having them move down a bit.