Why don’t you apply that standard to military folks outside their service years?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 6:32 amYou sound even more stupid than you normally do. So why don't we just close all of the prisons and release every god damn one of them?? Will that float your boat there Skippy? After all to paraphrase Father Flanagan there is no such thing as a bad boy. Every hardcore criminal in your eyes is Whitey Marsh just waiting for someone to believe in him. This may come as a stunning revelation to your sensitive nature but there are actually a lot of bad guys out there that have earned their life in prison with no parole sentence. You don't get LIPWNP for singing too loud in the church choir on Sunday.You already knew that though didn't you?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:24 pmI am not sure more time in jail for many criminals will do any good versus working on a solution to create more opportunities and therefore reducing the population of criminals. Many people end up there for a variety of reasons. Locking more than people up for longer periods of times don’t seem to be working. There is a place for conviction without the chance of parole but it seems as though the crux of the problem begins long before that heinous crime is committed. Use the god given intellect that you have to think. For many many crimes, more time in jail is probably counter productive. You know many former “felons”?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:30 pmYou also bolded the portion about DA's and Prosecutors (I underlined it) as part of your 'good post' comment, to which you did not address in your latest rebuttal. That, is the double speak to which I am referring, as you earlier argued serving more time in jail will do very little.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:17 pmWhat is double speak? I am on record for saying part of the problem with law enforcement is lack of quality training. You believe all jurisdictions have the same training? That’s your take?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:37 pmRather challenging when there is double speak...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:33 pmYou can’t synthesize information.youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:24 pmHow is it you call this a great post (in BOLD), and yet, want less time in jail....if DA's and Prosecutors do their job (and win) to the letter of the law without compromise to the Defense and plea deals reducing the actual charge....the criminals are in jail are far longer. That is against your beliefs just moments ago.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:50 pmGood post.WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:44 pmAppreciate your thoughtful reply. And goodness no, my intent regarding "worst of worse" spurred by seeing the Baltimore example/article posted, and following that to the making of my earlier post, wasn't intended as a broad stroke or condemnation - but rather a granular case study that seemed to have positive possibilities inherent. I am race/color/gender/creed blind when it comes to violent criminal perpetrators, from rural to inner city. No intent other than "really bad criminals who have been caught doing really bad things" need really meaningful sentencing deterrents. I remember that example years ago about that Stanford swimmer kid who raped that girl and the judge was one of those "We don't want to ruin this fine white man's life over an indiscretion" kind of guy, who was if I recall correctly show to have sentenced a young black man for the same offense with a "We need to lock you up and throw away the key you irredeemable monster" kind of sentence.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:18 pm HOWEVER, I'm not sure what "perpetrators of the worst of the worse violent criminal behavior" means on the "Sensible Gun Safety" thread. Surely that's not to say that gun murders in poor urban neighborhoods are worse than mass shootings wherever they happen? I may have misunderstood, but I'm always wondering what someone is saying when they point to crime in poor urban, typically formerly redlined neighborhoods and don't point to crimes committed by others...If that wasn't the intent, and we're just talking about how murder and rape get treated in any jurisdiction, cool...Are rapes and murders prosecuted more forcefully in say Louisiana when the perp is white? I don't know the answer, but it's a reasonable question given the high rate of homicides in Louisiana...not just New Orleans, all of Louisiana...
A big part of all of this points to reforms such as this threads last day or two of posts, and moving through the system with policing the police (who's unions protect bad apples like the Catholic church did with bad priests), to training law enforcement, to holding our DA's/prosecutors to task for doing or not their jobs well - as gatekeepers of the fork in the road where those who need help and have a chance to be off-ramped toward productive lives - which as a society we all know is an excellent investment - are placed on that path, while the monsters in our midst from hickville to Chicago's south side, are placed forcefully on their earned path to - after a jury of their peers weighs in - serious consequences which is an investment in all of our safety. Judges need oversight with sentencing. Parole boards need oversight. And once someone has completed their debt to society, we do need to do better at having ways they can assimilate and prove they have been rehabilitated.
The cost, commitment, cooperation politically, and consistency needed to begin to make real progress is daunting. And it seems we're stuck with a few hot button issues that keep us divided and take the focus away from any chance for real dialogue and change.
Double standard is the answer you don’t need to clarify.
People risk their lives for others all the time but only one corner gets this type of treatment despite it being a contractual and agreed upon relationship when it’s referred to as service.