Sensible Gun Safety

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Farfromgeneva
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
My sons favorite band at the moment. (Though the way things are going at school I’m going to have to put him on a diet of John denver and other mellow ish…)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87V04tdTRY
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
PizzaSnake
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:40 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
My sons favorite band at the moment. (Though the way things are going at school I’m going to have to put him on a diet of John denver and other mellow ish…)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87V04tdTRY
If he enjoys Zach de la Rocha, have him try this. Tempo, melody, contrast, it has it all. Okay Alicia is playing Albeniz, but still..



Or



I can't leave his musical education to your tender mercies... :)
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
Farfromgeneva
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:40 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
My sons favorite band at the moment. (Though the way things are going at school I’m going to have to put him on a diet of John denver and other mellow ish…)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87V04tdTRY
If he enjoys Zach de la Rocha, have him try this. Tempo, melody, contrast, it has it all. Okay Alicia is playing Albeniz, but still..



Or



I can't leave his musical education to your tender mercies... :)
I will, I show him a lot. he likes a lot of music and actually is more of a Tom Morello guy than De La Rocha. But my musical tastes are transcendent so no idea what you talking bout Willis on that front! ;). See my ode to Shane McGowan today.

I take him to 3-5 ASO (Atlanta Symphony Orchestra shows a year and he plays Trombone (and yes I once giggled when he started it thinking of the “rusty trombone”-see urbandictionary if unfamiliar). His first official concert was Ludacris before the Ga Tech/UGA game last weekend though which is a very Atlanta thing.

This weekend we got this: (part of a multi show family pack I’ve picked up last couple of years)

https://www.aso.org/events/detail/twas- ... -christmas

Next up this weekend:
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
PizzaSnake
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:57 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:40 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
My sons favorite band at the moment. (Though the way things are going at school I’m going to have to put him on a diet of John denver and other mellow ish…)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87V04tdTRY
If he enjoys Zach de la Rocha, have him try this. Tempo, melody, contrast, it has it all. Okay Alicia is playing Albeniz, but still..



Or



I can't leave his musical education to your tender mercies... :)
I will, I show him a lot. he likes a lot of music and actually is more of a Tom Morello guy than De La Rocha. But my musical tastes are transcendent so no idea what you talking bout Willis on that front! ;). See my ode to Shane McGowan today.

I take him to 3-5 ASO (Atlanta Symphony Orchestra shows a year and he plays Trombone (and yes I once giggled when he started it thinking of the “rusty trombone”-see urbandictionary if unfamiliar). His first official concert was Ludacris before the Ga Tech/UGA game last weekend though which is a very Atlanta thing.

This weekend we got this: (part of a multi show family pack I’ve picked up last couple of years)

https://www.aso.org/events/detail/twas- ... -christmas

Next up this weekend:
Just messin’ wit you, holmes…

I remarked to no one in particular that I’ll miss Shane more than Henry.
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
Farfromgeneva
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:57 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 8:40 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
My sons favorite band at the moment. (Though the way things are going at school I’m going to have to put him on a diet of John denver and other mellow ish…)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87V04tdTRY
If he enjoys Zach de la Rocha, have him try this. Tempo, melody, contrast, it has it all. Okay Alicia is playing Albeniz, but still..



Or



I can't leave his musical education to your tender mercies... :)
I will, I show him a lot. he likes a lot of music and actually is more of a Tom Morello guy than De La Rocha. But my musical tastes are transcendent so no idea what you talking bout Willis on that front! ;). See my ode to Shane McGowan today.

I take him to 3-5 ASO (Atlanta Symphony Orchestra shows a year and he plays Trombone (and yes I once giggled when he started it thinking of the “rusty trombone”-see urbandictionary if unfamiliar). His first official concert was Ludacris before the Ga Tech/UGA game last weekend though which is a very Atlanta thing.

This weekend we got this: (part of a multi show family pack I’ve picked up last couple of years)

https://www.aso.org/events/detail/twas- ... -christmas

Next up this weekend:
Just messin’ wit you, holmes…

I remarked to no one in particular that I’ll miss Shane more than Henry.
I know. I love my music but also aware of what I don’t know about so feed me whatever you think makes sense. I’ll gobble stuff down and if it doesn’t sit well
I’ll like it up like a professional bulimic.

And what makes you think I will share it with my son vs keep it for myself?
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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cradleandshoot
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Farfromgeneva
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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cradleandshoot
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
So how many other Arties are walking around free today?? So you have no problem with a guy who murdered two young children being paroled and for his protection being surreptitiously shipped of to a new city so he could get a fresh start in life. :roll: Law enforcement in upstate was never told of his relocation. It was important and vital for a guy like Artie to have his right to privacy protected which it was.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Farfromgeneva
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

Post by Farfromgeneva »

cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:59 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
So how many other Arties are walking around free today?? So you have no problem with a guy who murdered two young children being paroled and for his protection being surreptitiously shipped of to a new city so he could get a fresh start in life. :roll:
What a stupid proposition to present. Why would anyone respond to that? It’s just moronic.

Yes I have no problem with murderers in the streets. What a fantastic conclusion that must’ve come from deep thought.

Fng so stupid it’s not even worth considering a serious response. You just aren’t a serious person. Can call me whatever because I f around and use highly visceral metaphors and still don’t get reality. When does your drivers license expire because I don’t see it getting renewed next time around.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:59 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
So how many other Arties are walking around free today?? So you have no problem with a guy who murdered two young children being paroled and for his protection being surreptitiously shipped of to a new city so he could get a fresh start in life. :roll:
What a stupid proposition to present. Why would anyone respond to that? It’s just moronic.

Yes I have no problem with murderers in the streets. What a fantastic conclusion that must’ve come from deep thought.

Fng so stupid it’s not even worth considering a serious response. You just aren’t a serious person. Can call me whatever because I f around and use highly visceral metaphors and still don’t get reality. When does your drivers license expire because I don’t see it getting renewed next time around.
The issue under consideration should be the residivism rate of convicted criminals being released early from prison. What is so stupid about that? So do you not care or do you think it is NBD?? :roll:
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:21 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:59 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
So how many other Arties are walking around free today?? So you have no problem with a guy who murdered two young children being paroled and for his protection being surreptitiously shipped of to a new city so he could get a fresh start in life. :roll:
What a stupid proposition to present. Why would anyone respond to that? It’s just moronic.

Yes I have no problem with murderers in the streets. What a fantastic conclusion that must’ve come from deep thought.

Fng so stupid it’s not even worth considering a serious response. You just aren’t a serious person. Can call me whatever because I f around and use highly visceral metaphors and still don’t get reality. When does your drivers license expire because I don’t see it getting renewed next time around.
The issue under consideration should be the residivism rate of convicted criminals being released early from prison. What is so stupid about that? So do you not care or do you think it is NBD?? :roll:
Yep. If that’s how you view this all then this is a lost cause.

Shall I be a dbag now and point out your spelling error which was you messing up rather than a fat finger issue?
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
We should do away with parole boards.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:21 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:05 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:59 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:53 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:26 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:07 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:43 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:09 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:27 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:53 pm
kramerica.inc wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 12:43 pm $236K per year to institutionalize kids?
:cry:
Put more of that money towards adult training to help them OR getting kids in therapy, performing charity outreach, sports, education and vocation training, and having a safe place to live with regular meals.
So much of helping rehabilitate is providing basic human needs and letting the people know they are part of a good, caring community. Not a hardened one.
That’s how it used to be until Ronnie took office in the 1980s. Cut a lot of federal funding to cities and municipalities and then those cities and municipalities had to cut services. Bye bye parks and recreation amongst other things. Then made it ok to break unions…pay people’s less…. and then old Bill came along to out do that by making it cool to move jobs out of the country…. Didn’t happen overnight and it ain’t going to be fixed overnight. Cradleandshoot’s strategy of just put more in jail for longer terms has no societal return. When I mentioned investing in kids early, I believe you and cradle said “that’s the parents job”….I guess you would rather the government spend money on the back end instead of having more employment and more folks on the tax roll. Maybe your burden would be reduced? Healthcare, crime, insurance etc would all be favorably impacted with a little upfront investment….Early childhood education programs and stuff….but nope. You like spending $236k to lock up juveniles?
We are reaping that which we sowed.

Quelle surprise…
I never once said at anytime to put more people in jail for longer times. Where did you dream that up? If your convicted of a violent crime you probably have earned your time in prison. What your saying that I said is a lie on your part. You can disagree with my perspective all day long. When you start lying and making false statements about what I never said well you've crossed a line. I'm sure you have me confused with another poster.
You think all these people that go to jail and are released breaking out?
????????? If your actually convicted of a crime that often times means you may or may not get prison time. I've never advocated one way or the other. What you said was I was encouraging more jail time for those people that have been convicted. I never said any such thing.
I am going to ignore this statement.


“Here in my neck of the woods we just had a 3 time parolee arrested for armed bank robbery only shortly after being released from prison. Define for me what you mean by "over incarceration"”

Cradleandshoot means don’t hold them in prison any longer.
Artie Shawcross was paroled after 16 years in prison for murdering 2 young children. How did that work out for ya slick? Artie was secretly sent to Rochester where he realized prostitutes were easy pickins for a guy like him. He murdered 11 more young women before he was caught yet again. So can you ignore that fact as well bumpkin?? You only see what you want to see. Did somebody f**k up letting Artie out of prison?? How many other Arties are wandering out there not that you a chit about that? :roll:
Listen doughnut, by not letting anyone out early or believing in rehabilitation you are saying lock em up and throw away the key. Not releasing anyone early ever IS, by definition and logic, MORE jail time.

Annd like that the claim of the glorious gift of common sense is tossed out the window…
So how many other Arties are walking around free today?? So you have no problem with a guy who murdered two young children being paroled and for his protection being surreptitiously shipped of to a new city so he could get a fresh start in life. :roll:
What a stupid proposition to present. Why would anyone respond to that? It’s just moronic.

Yes I have no problem with murderers in the streets. What a fantastic conclusion that must’ve come from deep thought.

Fng so stupid it’s not even worth considering a serious response. You just aren’t a serious person. Can call me whatever because I f around and use highly visceral metaphors and still don’t get reality. When does your drivers license expire because I don’t see it getting renewed next time around.
The issue under consideration should be the residivism rate of convicted criminals being released early from prison. What is so stupid about that? So do you not care or do you think it is NBD?? :roll:
Hold kids longer in juvenile detention. That should help. Did you read the article I posted?
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“You lucky I ain’t read wretched yet!”
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:57 am https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/arthur-shawcross

Artie was a Vet. Leave him alone.
His parents treated him well. What a bad comment, for even you.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:03 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:57 am https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/arthur-shawcross

Artie was a Vet. Leave him alone.
His parents treated him well. What a bad comment, for even you.
Well it speaks to the blind position that once a second of service has been provided you’re covered for life.
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Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 9:03 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 8:57 am https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/arthur-shawcross

Artie was a Vet. Leave him alone.
His parents treated him well. What a bad comment, for even you.
Maybe he didn’t pray enough.
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Thoughts? When it comes to perpetrators of the worst of the worse violent criminal behavior, oftentimes committed with illegal firearms - receiving "kid glove" treatment after arrest makes me shake my head in wonderment. I think most of us grew up having no problem whatsoever with someone convicted of horrific violent criminal acts receiving profoundly long "you're goddam right it is harsh" corrective sentences. Rehabilitation chances slim. Recidivism upon release highly likely. It breaks my heart when the inevitable headlines of "Violent criminal released on (you choose: bail, early, parole) arrested after (you choose: raping, robbing, murdering) again.

Looks like Baltimore is in recovery mode after an extended debacle of plea bargaining madness, obscene bail reform, early release insanity, and magical wishful thinking that the worst of the worst "criminals won't re-criminal".

Voted out:
https://www.mdpolicy.org/research/detai ... ee-to-kill
Perhaps some Maryland posters hereabouts can weigh in on how Ms. Mosby - who was just convicted of perjury by the US Attorney's Office in Maryland - got elected in the first place.

Voted in:
Ivan Bates. Writer Dan Rodricks in The Baltimore Sun a few days ago caught up with Mr. Bates: Monday morning the Baltimore Police Department updated its year-over-year count of homicides and nonfatal shootings, reporting 240 people killed by others, 61 fewer than at the same point last year. In that time, 584 people were wounded by gunfire, 58 fewer than in 2022. That’s still too much death and pain. But, for a city that suffered through eight straight years of 300-plus homicides, ending 2023 with numbers south of that depressing mark must be regarded as a sign of progress in the city’s varied efforts to prevent violence.

Voters elected a new chief prosecutor last year, and Ivan Bates became Baltimore State’s Attorney on Jan. 3, succeeding Marilyn Mosby, whose two terms were marked by the high homicide counts. In Bates’ first year, which still has another month left in it, the State’s Attorney’s Office has recorded 125 guilty verdicts or pleas in homicide cases against 17 acquittals and three dismissals. That’s significantly ahead of the total for 2022, when there were 93 guilty verdicts or pleas in homicide cases. In an interview last week — edited here for length and clarity — I asked Bates about his first year in office.

What was the staff situation like when you took over?

I’d have to say, for a word to describe the office when I got here, they were demoralized. There were people who were beaten down, people who didn’t feel heard, people who didn’t want to be here, people who hated their jobs. They did the jobs, but they didn’t feel appreciated. I had homicide prosecutors carrying almost 30 open murder [cases] and 20 open investigations. They were working almost seven days a week.

You must have lost some people. That happens with every turnover.

We lost some. But we didn’t come in firing people. The senior people we wanted to keep, we were able to keep. … The most important speech that I’ve made wasn’t the speech that any television camera or community group saw. It was a speech I made in January inside Courtroom 400 to the people in the office: Why they needed to stay, why I wanted them to stay. But we lost some people. When I took over, there were about 134 lawyers. We’ve hired almost 60. Realistically, we need 220. We can go to City Hall to ask for additional [prosecutors], but we’re not in a position to do that until we’re able to do our job first.

It looks like you’ve had a good start, with increased convictions. The drop in homicides looks promising.

We’re doing better than last year. We know 125 people were found guilty of murder. In Baltimore, that’s a big number of people who are going to get 30 years to life [in prison]. Those are the individuals that were doing some sort of violence to someone and now are taken off the street.

Besides hiring and training new staff, what were your biggest challenges of the year?

To decrease crime, it’s never a “me,” it’s always a “we.” I had to re-establish the relationship with the Baltimore Police Department.

How did you do that?

It was going over there, sitting down, addressing the [police union]. I went to a roll call in the Central District. I have to have a real relationship with the police commissioner. We go to lunch every month and we have an executive meeting with the BPD, and we talk about the issues that we see and what’s going on. … And truly, to me, the biggest relationship I had to get was with the U.S. Attorney, Erek Barron.

What was the status of that relationship, given that the feds had indicted your predecessor on perjury charges?

Unfortunately, there was no relationship. And, to be honest, I think it is the most important relationship for us because they’re the hammer. … When I was a defense attorney, I knew my clients [in gun cases] were terrified of the U.S. Attorney’s Office. The guys who are really doing the shooting and the killings are a select group. They’re the trigger pullers, the people who are inflicting crime on so many of the citizens. If the police are going out and arresting them, we need to figure out a way to hold them accountable. We re-established the relationship with the U.S. Attorney’s Office so that they look at every single handgun case that the city has. We sit down at least once a month to decide who can potentially be prosecuted over there — that wasn’t happening anymore — and that means, for the most violent trigger pullers, we’re not worried about [prosecuting] you in the state court because it’s not about “me” needing to convict you. It’s about “we,” and the system holding you accountable.

Would you say this is already having some effect?

It’s definitely had a major effect because those individuals aren’t back on the street to pull the triggers to shoot and kill other people. … My homicide unit has 125 [guilty verdicts]. My gun unit has 219 guilty verdicts thus far. Those are the units that had prosecutors in them that were just holding on, but didn’t have the resources over the past two or three years. They were the prosecutors that my speech in Courtroom 400 needed to resonate with because we needed them to be able to hold the office up until reinforcements are [trained] and ready.
END ARTICLE

Sounds like Baltimore, where criminal violence and criminal gun violence are a cancer, is getting some much needed leadership.

Another step in what appears to be a good direction - Community based involvement in criminal justice system accountability:
https://baltimorewitness.org/

I wonder if perhaps the Bloomberg/Everytown Wing at Johns Hopkins can perhaps do MORE research on how criminal gun violence can be mitigated in our most needy communities, and LESS activist "Policy based evidence making" to create new avenues of attack on the rights of law abiding gun owners. Those darn pesky 99.99% of citizens who responsibly own firearms and aren't criminals. Just a thought for a slow Friday.
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WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 12:42 pm Thoughts? When it comes to perpetrators of the worst of the worse violent criminal behavior, oftentimes committed with illegal firearms - receiving "kid glove" treatment after arrest makes me shake my head in wonderment. I think most of us grew up having no problem whatsoever with someone convicted of horrific violent criminal acts receiving profoundly long "you're goddam right it is harsh" corrective sentences. Rehabilitation chances slim. Recidivism upon release highly likely. It breaks my heart when the inevitable headlines of "Violent criminal released on (you choose: bail, early, parole) arrested after (you choose: raping, robbing, murdering) again.

Looks like Baltimore is in recovery mode after an extended debacle of plea bargaining madness, obscene bail reform, early release insanity, and magical wishful thinking that the worst of the worst "criminals won't re-criminal".

Voted out:
https://www.mdpolicy.org/research/detai ... ee-to-kill
Perhaps some Maryland posters hereabouts can weigh in on how Ms. Mosby - who was just convicted of perjury by the US Attorney's Office in Maryland - got elected in the first place.

Voted in:
Ivan Bates. Writer Dan Rodricks in The Baltimore Sun a few days ago caught up with Mr. Bates: Monday morning the Baltimore Police Department updated its year-over-year count of homicides and nonfatal shootings, reporting 240 people killed by others, 61 fewer than at the same point last year. In that time, 584 people were wounded by gunfire, 58 fewer than in 2022. That’s still too much death and pain. But, for a city that suffered through eight straight years of 300-plus homicides, ending 2023 with numbers south of that depressing mark must be regarded as a sign of progress in the city’s varied efforts to prevent violence.

Voters elected a new chief prosecutor last year, and Ivan Bates became Baltimore State’s Attorney on Jan. 3, succeeding Marilyn Mosby, whose two terms were marked by the high homicide counts. In Bates’ first year, which still has another month left in it, the State’s Attorney’s Office has recorded 125 guilty verdicts or pleas in homicide cases against 17 acquittals and three dismissals. That’s significantly ahead of the total for 2022, when there were 93 guilty verdicts or pleas in homicide cases. In an interview last week — edited here for length and clarity — I asked Bates about his first year in office.

What was the staff situation like when you took over?

I’d have to say, for a word to describe the office when I got here, they were demoralized. There were people who were beaten down, people who didn’t feel heard, people who didn’t want to be here, people who hated their jobs. They did the jobs, but they didn’t feel appreciated. I had homicide prosecutors carrying almost 30 open murder [cases] and 20 open investigations. They were working almost seven days a week.

You must have lost some people. That happens with every turnover.

We lost some. But we didn’t come in firing people. The senior people we wanted to keep, we were able to keep. … The most important speech that I’ve made wasn’t the speech that any television camera or community group saw. It was a speech I made in January inside Courtroom 400 to the people in the office: Why they needed to stay, why I wanted them to stay. But we lost some people. When I took over, there were about 134 lawyers. We’ve hired almost 60. Realistically, we need 220. We can go to City Hall to ask for additional [prosecutors], but we’re not in a position to do that until we’re able to do our job first.

It looks like you’ve had a good start, with increased convictions. The drop in homicides looks promising.

We’re doing better than last year. We know 125 people were found guilty of murder. In Baltimore, that’s a big number of people who are going to get 30 years to life [in prison]. Those are the individuals that were doing some sort of violence to someone and now are taken off the street.

Besides hiring and training new staff, what were your biggest challenges of the year?

To decrease crime, it’s never a “me,” it’s always a “we.” I had to re-establish the relationship with the Baltimore Police Department.

How did you do that?

It was going over there, sitting down, addressing the [police union]. I went to a roll call in the Central District. I have to have a real relationship with the police commissioner. We go to lunch every month and we have an executive meeting with the BPD, and we talk about the issues that we see and what’s going on. … And truly, to me, the biggest relationship I had to get was with the U.S. Attorney, Erek Barron.

What was the status of that relationship, given that the feds had indicted your predecessor on perjury charges?

Unfortunately, there was no relationship. And, to be honest, I think it is the most important relationship for us because they’re the hammer. … When I was a defense attorney, I knew my clients [in gun cases] were terrified of the U.S. Attorney’s Office. The guys who are really doing the shooting and the killings are a select group. They’re the trigger pullers, the people who are inflicting crime on so many of the citizens. If the police are going out and arresting them, we need to figure out a way to hold them accountable. We re-established the relationship with the U.S. Attorney’s Office so that they look at every single handgun case that the city has. We sit down at least once a month to decide who can potentially be prosecuted over there — that wasn’t happening anymore — and that means, for the most violent trigger pullers, we’re not worried about [prosecuting] you in the state court because it’s not about “me” needing to convict you. It’s about “we,” and the system holding you accountable.

Would you say this is already having some effect?

It’s definitely had a major effect because those individuals aren’t back on the street to pull the triggers to shoot and kill other people. … My homicide unit has 125 [guilty verdicts]. My gun unit has 219 guilty verdicts thus far. Those are the units that had prosecutors in them that were just holding on, but didn’t have the resources over the past two or three years. They were the prosecutors that my speech in Courtroom 400 needed to resonate with because we needed them to be able to hold the office up until reinforcements are [trained] and ready.
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Sounds like Baltimore, where criminal violence and criminal gun violence are a cancer, is getting some much needed leadership.

Another step in what appears to be a good direction - Community based involvement in criminal justice system accountability:
https://baltimorewitness.org/

I wonder if perhaps the Bloomberg/Everytown Wing at Johns Hopkins can perhaps do MORE research on how criminal gun violence can be mitigated in our most needy communities, and LESS activist "Policy based evidence making" to create new avenues of attack on the rights of law abiding gun owners. Those darn pesky 99.99% of citizens who responsibly own firearms and aren't criminals. Just a thought for a slow Friday.
All this says to me is that a little more money spent on the front end would provide a societal benefit on the backend. You ain’t putting that 18 year old toothpaste back in the tube. “Keep “them” in jail longer” won’t change much of anything.
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Re: Sensible Gun Safety

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“Keep “them” in jail longer” won’t change much of anything.
:roll: While we're at it, just give them their gun back when they leave early.... I'm sure there are more people for them to victimize. Maybe if they go in the military or find recovery in religion, you can then blame that, like you did earlier today. Or just dole out about 20k per teen in areas where there is gun violence....will that cover it? What's that cash upfront going to fix...maybe a new set of rims, self-help books, private school?

It's really hard to leave the city and absolve yourself from criminal activity when your focus is making cash with little effort and your value for human life outside immediate family, is essentially zero. They are really just lazy opportunists, that need more time in structured institutions away from the crime riddled comforts from which they grew up.
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